ROME - A prominent advocate in the fight against clerical abuse has said that during a recent private audience at the Vatican, Pope Francis told him he’d read Inside the Closet at the Vatican, a book about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the Catholic Church, and said that he was already aware of many of the priests mentioned in it who are gαy.
“He said he read it. He said it was good and that he knew of many of them. We discussed good gαys and the gαys who are evil, but because of power,” the advocate said in a text message obtained by Crux.
The message from the person was sent to Frèdèric Martel, French journalist and author of Inside the Closet at the Vatican: Power, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, Hypocrisy, a book published Feb. 21 that details the presence of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the Catholic Church and that is the product of four years of research and interviews with more than 1,500 individuals in 30 countries, including 41 cardinals, 52 bishops, and 45 apostolic nuncios.
Crux verified the text message with the sender, who prefers to remain anonymous.
Advocate says pope read, liked new book on gαys in the Vatican (https://cruxnow.com/church-in-europe/2019/05/10/advocate-says-pope-read-liked-new-book-on-gαys-in-the-vatican/), Crux News, 10 May 2019
Francis is a follower of Martin Luther. Luther is in hell. :fryingpan:I don't think Martin Luther would've said that gαys should be able to be priests or that they are "Good."
I don't think Martin Luther would've said that gαys should be able to be priests or that they are "Good."It is certain that Luther is in Hell and it can be said that he was, in fact, damned. Is it absolutely certain that this is so? no.
Also while I grant that Luther's damnation is likely, does anyone really know for sure? Like do we really know he didn't repent in his last moments? Do we really know with certainty on his level of culpability? (I realize the latter question is irrelevant for feeneyites, but the former question isn't.) Again, I agree that its highly likely, if I had to guess that's what I'd guess too, but is there any point in saying people are certainly in Hell? What am I missing?
It is certain that Luther is in Hell and it can be said that he was, in fact, damned. Is it absolutely certain that this is so? no.The Church teaches that you cannot have that absolute certitude. It could be. You can conjecture. But then you could be wrong.
The Church teaches that you cannot have that absolute certitude. It could be. You can conjecture. But then you could be wrong.Didn’t I say that it is not absolutely certain that he is in Hell? Luther is treated by the Church as a lost soul, hence he wasn’t entitled to an ecclesiastical burial. I am 99.999% certain that he is in Hell and there is not one shred of evidence that he repented before he died. You make it seem like he had a decent chance to be saved.
Francis read ‘Inside the Closet at the Vatican’ and said it was “good” (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2019/05/francis-read-inside-closet-at-vatican.html)(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8US1pZPDWpE/XNXEAW5S21I/AAAAAAAAPsM/-OaljVvUH4MvrqchA3w-x5vdycT1pjhAACLcBGAs/s320/thumbs%2Bup.png) (https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8US1pZPDWpE/XNXEAW5S21I/AAAAAAAAPsM/-OaljVvUH4MvrqchA3w-x5vdycT1pjhAACLcBGAs/s1600/thumbs%2Bup.png)
(https://www.ncronline.org/sites/default/files/styles/home_features/public/RNS-Equality-Act1-051719.jpg?itok=WUSJYfJ2) (https://www.ncronline.org/news/politics/signs-times/equality-act-vote-again-pits-catholic-nuns-against-bishops)You mean the 'equality act' puts those who uphold Catholic Tradition against those who do not.
SIGNS OF THE TIMES (https://www.ncronline.org/columns/signs-of-the-times)
Equality Act vote again pits Catholic nuns against bishops (https://www.ncronline.org/news/politics/signs-times/equality-act-vote-again-pits-catholic-nuns-against-bishops)
BY THOMAS REESE (https://www.ncronline.org/authors/thomas-reese), RELIGION NEWS SERVICE (https://www.ncronline.org/authors/religion-news-service)
MAY 20, 2019
Last week the House of Representatives passed H.R. 5, known as the Equality Act, which would strengthen bans on discrimination against LGBTQ persons by adding "sɛҳuąƖ orientation" and "gender identity" to the definition of "sex" in federal civil rights laws. The measure got the support of *NETWORK (https://networklobby.org/),a social justice lobby led by Catholic nuns, but was opposed by the U.S. Catholic bishops.
*Nuns on bun bus
You mean the 'equality act' puts those who uphold Catholic Tradition against those who do not.It’s not just “Catholic Tradition”, it’s against divine and natural law.
Didn’t I say that it is not absolutely certain that he is in Hell? Luther is treated by the Church as a lost soul, hence he wasn’t entitled to an ecclesiastical burial. I am 99.999% certain that he is in Hell and there is not one shred of evidence that he repented before he died. You make it seem like he had a decent chance to be saved.Well, poche probably believes, like his pope, that souls are just annihilated. Therefore, Hell is empty. ;)
It’s not just “Catholic Tradition”, it’s against divine and natural law.Is there a conflict between divine and natural law and Catholic Tradition?
I don't think Martin Luther would've said that gαys should be able to be priests or that they are "Good."
Also while I grant that Luther's damnation is likely, does anyone really know for sure? Like do we really know he didn't repent in his last moments? Do we really know with certainty on his level of culpability? (I realize the latter question is irrelevant for feeneyites, but the former question isn't.) Again, I agree that its highly likely, if I had to guess that's what I'd guess too, but is there any point in saying people are certainly in Hell? What am I missing?
In 1883, Sister Maria Serafina Micheli (1849-1911) was beatified in Faicchio in the province of Benevento in the diocese of Cerreto Sannita 28 May 2011, the foundress of the Sisters of the Angels, was going to Eisleben, Saxony, the birthplace of Luther. The fourth centenary of the birth of the great heretic (10 November 1483) was celebrated on that day.
The streets were crowded, balconies included. Among the many personalities were expected at any time, with the arrival of Emperor Wilhelm I, who presided over the solemn celebrations.
The future Blessed, noting the great hoopla was not interested in knowing the reason for this unusual animation, wanted to find a church and pray to be able to make a visit to the Blessed Sacrament. After walking for a while, she finally found one, but the doors were closed. She knelt on the steps for serenity prayer. As it was in the evening, she had not noticed that it was not a Catholic church, but Protestant. While praying, the angel appeared, who said to her. “Arise, because it is a Protestant church” Then he added: “But I want you to see where Martin Luther was condemned and the pain he suffered as a punishment for his pride.”
After these words, she saw a terrible abyss of fire, where they were cruelly tortured countless souls. In the bottom of this hole there was a man, Martin Luther, which differed from the other: it was surrounded by demons that forced him to kneel, and all armed with hammers, they tried in vain , to shove a big nail in the head. Religious thought, if some of the people had seen this dramatic scene, they would not have made honors and other commemorations and celebrations for such a character.
PADRE PIO SAID THAT MARTIN LUTHER IS IN HELL AND CHRISTIANS WHO FOLLOW HIM WILL MEET THE SAME END
- Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I, founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate
Padre Pio said that Martin Luther is in Hell and Christians today who follow him will meet the same end and those who do not submit themself to the pope and the teachings of the Catholic Church are also going to Hell.
Father Stefano Manelli F.I founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate writes that Martin Luther who called himself Pope Luther 1 and condemned the pope of Rome, as going to Hell, was a great heretic.
Fr.Manelli in Il Settimanale di Padre Pio (Jan.20,2013 p.1) said that Christians today who follow Luther are also on the path to Hell.
Fr.Manelli in the Italian weekly , mentioned that Padre Pio said those Christians who believe they can speak directly with God are also going to Hell.
Luther believed he could speak directly with God. He was precipitated into Hell said Padre Pio.
Fr.Stefano Manelli in his weekly column Il Pensiero di Padre Pio,Pianeta Padre Pio, wrote that Padre Pio criticized those Christians who believe they can speak directly to God and receive instructions and do not have to submit to the authority of the pope.
Is there a conflict between divine and natural law and Catholic Tradition?