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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Petertherock on December 18, 2013, 09:11:44 AM
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This sounds like bad news if he's one of Cardinal Sean's boys...He's my new Bishop.
Pope Francis has appointed the Most Rev. Robert P. Deeley, J.C.D., Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Boston, as the 12th Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland. -
See more at: http://portlanddiocese.net/bishopdeeley#sthash.WpQcK6xa.dpuf
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This is the only thing I have been able to find out about him...he was also appointed by Pope BXVI... Bishop Deeley has Celebrated in the Extraordinary Form, and since arriving in Boston, has Presided as Bishop at Solemn Requiem.
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If you are a Conciliar catholic, I don't understand why this would be "bad news".
You have a pope and a new bishop who is in full communion with that pope. You have the Conciliar sacraments and the Conciliar catechism. You have the assurance that everyone goes to heaven. You have a Sunday/Saturday afternoon service that you can "fully participate" in. You have peace, joy, and luv. You have schools helping to make the church "relevant" to today's kids. You have Catholic Charities to compete with the Salvation Army, the Catholic Campaign for Human Development to bring the dogma of Socialism to the masses, and probably your annual Bishop's Appeal to help pay the tort claims against the diocese.
You have a New Springtime, a New Pentecost. You have a religion that speaks to Modern Man and uplifts the Human Spirit and doesn't condemn. All is wonderful!
On the other hand, if you are a traditional Catholic, this man, who is likely a layman anyway, is just as relevant to you as the local Anglican bishop, Lutheran minister, the Islamic Imam, or any other non-Christian clergyman.
So...What was this about "bad news"?
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Our TLM is approved by the Bishop. If the Bishop is anti TLM then I lose my Mass. That is why this would be bad news. As much as I have had some doubts, the Pope is the Pope, just as Obama is the President. The Church can change the forms of Consecrations and ordinations just as the US government could change the form of inauguration to just have the the Supreme Court Justice say "You are the Prez bro." and give him a high five.
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Our TLM is approved by the Bishop. If the Bishop is anti TLM then I lose my Mass. That is why this would be bad news. As much as I have had some doubts, the Pope is the Pope, just as Obama is the President. The Church can change the forms of Consecrations and ordinations just as the US government could change the form of inauguration to just have the the Supreme Court Justice say "You are the Prez bro." and give him a high five.
In view of what you just wrote, I ask again, why might this appointment be bad news?
You are not consistent nor are you making any sense. If you go to the "TLM" just because you like the "smells and bells" of the ceremonies, then your faith is simply that deep. Nostalgia is not something to base your religion upon.
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You think you have TLM when you have indult, a ritual that looks like but is not and a priest/bishop that is only installed, that is, has no powers to make the Precious Blood and Body of Christ present. It is just a dog and pony show.
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Novus ordites need to stop being so milquetoast! Embrace the new order with all your heart, mind and soul. If your bishop and your pope are saying that other religions are also from God, then embrace it.
Just keep saying "For me, and for us, Our Lord is God. Now, that may actually not matter to those in other faiths who deny Our Lord. Hey, it's all good."
Embrace the novelty of the novus ordo. Vatican II and Pope Paul VI wouldn't have promulgated a new mass and new rites if the old ones were any use to "modern man".
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You think you have TLM when you have indult, a ritual that looks like but is not and a priest/bishop that is only installed, that is, has no powers to make the Precious Blood and Body of Christ present. It is just a dog and pony show.
Really? Our priest is a Melkite and we have our own chaplaincy. We pay to use the NO Church buildings.
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You think you have TLM when you have indult, a ritual that looks like but is not and a priest/bishop that is only installed, that is, has no powers to make the Precious Blood and Body of Christ present. It is just a dog and pony show.
Really? Our priest is a Melkite and we have our own chaplaincy. We pay to use the NO Church buildings.
I understand your concerns fully, Peter.
Here in the Reno Diocese we have a contract. We can have TLM so long as it is on Church property and our priest is diocesan. We are fortunate to have our mission in Washoe Valley and the priest who says our TLM is also a hospital chaplain from the diocese. As long as our Sunday attendance is at least 70 the bishop is under contract to provide us a priest.
But I have my concerns that if our current priest leaves the bishop may not keep his end of the bargain. Mainly because the original agreement was with a previous bishop. The only other priest in the diocese who knows the TLM is a Franciscan in charge of the cathedral so he only fills in and could be transferred by his order.
We also have SSPX in our diocese and there is a private chapel on private property too if the diocese fails us.
I hope my comment helps songbird understand that not all TLM going on are dog and pony shows.
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The Novus Ordo religion is just not Catholic. Period. They've usurped (stolen) the term "Catholic" but there's nothing Catholic about them. They are phonies and frauds. Even my nine year old niece can figure this out.
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You think you have TLM when you have indult, a ritual that looks like but is not and a priest/bishop that is only installed, that is, has no powers to make the Precious Blood and Body of Christ present. It is just a dog and pony show.
Really? Our priest is a Melkite and we have our own chaplaincy. We pay to use the NO Church buildings.
I understand your concerns fully, Peter.
Here in the Reno Diocese we have a contract. We can have TLM so long as it is on Church property and our priest is diocesan. We are fortunate to have our mission in Washoe Valley and the priest who says our TLM is also a hospital chaplain from the diocese. As long as our Sunday attendance is at least 70 the bishop is under contract to provide us a priest.
But I have my concerns that if our current priest leaves the bishop may not keep his end of the bargain. Mainly because the original agreement was with a previous bishop. The only other priest in the diocese who knows the TLM is a Franciscan in charge of the cathedral so he only fills in and could be transferred by his order.
We also have SSPX in our diocese and there is a private chapel on private property too if the diocese fails us.
I hope my comment helps songbird understand that not all TLM going on are dog and pony shows.
What you have done here is to even more clearly demonstrate that what you have truly is a façade. The "TLM" you have by the grace of the bishop merely keeps you part of the structure of the Conciliar sect which is nothing more than whitewashed tombs.
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TKGS: Thank You, white washed is just what it is. For some people, to read these posts, is just so shocking, it just can't be true that the church is in such a crisis, and Chapter 12 of Daniel says it the way it is and is still coming.
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TKGS: Thank You, white washed is just what it is. For some people, to read these posts, is just so shocking, it just can't be true that the church is in such a crisis, and Chapter 12 of Daniel says it the way it is and is still coming.
Last year a cardinal was quoted as stating that he believed TLM would be back within 80 years. I am not so certain anymore now that we have Pope Francis, heretic. But I will say this, It is not going to change unless chapels like ours exist. Our Mass is valid, we go off the 1962 missal.
What do you want me to do ? Our TLM community was actually deemed a schism by a previous bishop when it was on private property and it took a long time for us to obtain the status within the diocese.
Do you want things to change ? How do you want things to change ?
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Crossbro,
Your description of the situation at that diocese sounds worse than a dog and pony show. It sounds like negotiating for the sacraments. It's a requirement that at least 70 people show up? Who does the counting?
And your "contract" is with a specific bishop?
Maybe you need to call the bishop's office and have a real negotiation based not on a count of heads but a count of cold hard cash. Maybe if you are nice enough, or a smooth operator, the bishop wil cut you guys a discount on every third Sunday or something like that.
Why not just go to the novus ordo and bring a traditional prayer book with you. While everyone else is hopping up and down and clapping and singing "We are Sacrament" you could be quietly praying some prayers.
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I understand your point of view. I am certain that we have members in our mission who are sedevacantists. We are not compromising our beliefs. Once a month the Franciscan holds a first Friday TLM at the Cathedral and every Saturday morning he says a daily NO Mass in Latin that has high attendance.
20 years ago in Sacramento I asked my parish priest for permission to attend a TLM at the SSPX Church and he would not give it to me. At the time JPII was threatening to blanket excommunicate the entire SSPX and I think had already excommunicated Lefebvre so I did not go to a TLM until I moved to Reno. That TLM was at the cathedral and the experience led me to join the TLM mission just over 2 years ago.
So, if it had not been for the experience that was propogated within the diocese by now I probably would have just left the Church. We get people who come and visit us out of curiosity and some of them end up staying. It is easier to get people in if they feel they are not going against the authority of the Church.
Like I said, what do you suggest we do ? Grabbing our pitchforks and storming the palace does not seem like a plausible solution.
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Maybe you should read up on all the different points of view. Archbishop LeFebrve's writings are available in book format. You can even read some sedevacantist writers.
It sounds like you completely accept the novus ordo. If so, why not just go to the novus ordo with a traditional prayer book? Do you find the post-Vatican II mass to be a distraction from your spiritual growth?
If you view the post-Vatican II church as acceptable, then why not seek out the FSSP or ICKSP? They both are great in their own ways.
To think that you (and we) as laymen can change the Church, I think that's an act of vanity. Our only actions are to assist at the novus ordo or, even without permission, assist at the SSPX. As a layman, it is perfectly acceptable to attend the SSPX. Benedict XVI even said so. If asked, Pope Francis would say so too (but would dismiss us as sad sack reactionaries or something similar).
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Maybe you should read up on all the different points of view. Archbishop LeFebrve's writings are available in book format. You can even read some sedevacantist writers.
It sounds like you completely accept the novus ordo. If so, why not just go to the novus ordo with a traditional prayer book? Do you find the post-Vatican II mass to be a distraction from your spiritual growth?
If you view the post-Vatican II church as acceptable, then why not seek out the FSSP or ICKSP? They both are great in their own ways.
To think that you (and we) as laymen can change the Church, I think that's an act of vanity. Our only actions are to assist at the novus ordo or, even without permission, assist at the SSPX. As a layman, it is perfectly acceptable to attend the SSPX. Benedict XVI even said so. If asked, Pope Francis would say so too (but would dismiss us as sad sack reactionaries or something similar).
If it was not for NO Sunday Mass I would never get to learn all the football scores and stats during the season. Instead I would just be simply worshipping God.