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Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2021, 11:13:13 AM »
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  • Great info refuting Matatics assertions.

    https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/gerry-matatics/
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #61 on: November 28, 2021, 07:44:46 PM »
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #62 on: November 28, 2021, 09:15:04 PM »
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  • Great info refuting Matatics assertions.

    https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/gerry-matatics/
    The Dimond brothers?  Are you sure we want to be recommending that site?

    There is, to be sure, some good material here and there on that site, but there are issues, oh dear goodness, there are issues...

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #63 on: November 28, 2021, 09:19:26 PM »
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  • The Dimonds are said to have rejected Matatics as a "demonic sedevacantist" some time ago. :facepalm::jester::fryingpan:
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #64 on: November 28, 2021, 09:23:01 PM »
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  • But unlike the absurdities of Matatics, the Japanese "knew" there were other priests and clergy who existed but they just couldn't get to them & so they had to work with what they had. Matatics, on the other hand, chooses to join and stay within a Church he believes has no valid clergy and no hierarchy to determine anything. That's a huge difference.

    In all fairness, while not agreeing with Gerry Matatics on this particular issue in the least, I don't think there is a difference.  In either case, you are saying "we need priests, we should have priests, but we don't have priests, at least available to us in the here and now, because...".

    I don't think that GM denies there is a single priest in the world who is validly ordained, but he is simply saying "they're not available to us".  In the case of the Japanese, the priests weren't available because they were thousands of miles away.  In GM's case, the priests aren't available because, to hear him tell it, they can't licitly exercise their ministry.  Either case, they're "not available".   (And they wouldn't be available if, for the sake of argument, there were no valid priests in the first place.  Unavailable is unavailable.)


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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #65 on: November 28, 2021, 09:24:16 PM »
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  • The Dimonds are said to have rejected Matatics as a "demonic sedevacantist" some time ago. :facepalm::jester::fryingpan:
    As my dear father (requiescat in pace) would say, they're dandies.

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #66 on: November 28, 2021, 09:30:42 PM »
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  • As my dear father (requiescat in pace) would say, they're dandies.

    Yep. Being dogmatic on everything, they can't get rid of their own past.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #67 on: November 28, 2021, 09:33:49 PM »
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  • While I am no big fan of the Dimond Brothers (or any Feeneyites for that matter), they sometimes make some very good points. 

    Personally, I believe that the Dimond Brothers are Jєωιѕн "pseudo-converts" who deliberately cause conflict and tension among Traditional Catholics for profit. When I was watching a video from the original Most Holy Family Monastery (circa 1992 or 1993 back when Joseph Natale was alive and running it), the video credits had their last name spelled as "Diamond." I believe they dropped the letter "a" in their last name so as to make their ethnic Jєωιѕнness less obvious. 


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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #68 on: November 28, 2021, 09:45:16 PM »
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  • Personally, I believe that the Dimond Brothers are Jєωιѕн "pseudo-converts" who deliberately cause conflict and tension among Traditional Catholics for profit...

    Agree with this point.  They function as a front for judaic ghostwriters propaganda.

    Fake Catholic media fronts are an essential part of the revolution.  

    Most Holy Family Monastery has been a publishing house for despair sede-vancantism for decades.  They are prolific publishers obviously funded by anonymous sources.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #69 on: November 28, 2021, 10:09:39 PM »
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  • In all fairness, while not agreeing with Gerry Matatics on this particular issue in the least, I don't think there is a difference.  In either case, you are saying "we need priests, we should have priests, but we don't have priests, at least available to us in the here and now, because...".
    I feel that the "because" (which is the reason any person gives for this specific crisis) is significant because each individual response must be weighed against Traditional Catholic teaching to determine if the person making the statement is adhering to said teaching. 

    For example, Person A can say they're Catholic and their reason for not being able to receive the sacraments is because they are merely unable to gain access to any priests because of their persecution. This person's reasoning is true and, at the same time, they're actually Catholic because they are adhering to what the Church teaches: that there are priests and there are sacraments despite the crisis because Christ's Church will last until the end of time.

    Now, Person B (the deceptive Matatics-type) can say they're Catholic and their reason for not being able to receive the sacraments is because they're unable to gain access to any priests because there are no priests anywhere in the world and thus there can never be sacraments given anywhere in the world. In this case, this person's reasoning is false (faulty) because they're claiming to be Catholic yet, at the same time, their reasoning statement is diametrically opposed to Traditional Catholic teaching. Whether or not Person B knows this is debatable but one thing surely isn't: that Person B is not Catholic. Christ's Church will last until the end of time and that includes at least one priest and thus at least one person to administer sacraments. 

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #70 on: November 28, 2021, 10:39:11 PM »
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  • While I am no big fan of the Dimond Brothers (or any Feeneyites for that matter), they sometimes make some very good points.

    Personally, I believe that the Dimond Brothers are Jєωιѕн "pseudo-converts" who deliberately cause conflict and tension among Traditional Catholics for profit. When I was watching a video from the original Most Holy Family Monastery (circa 1992 or 1993 back when Joseph Natale was alive and running it), the video credits had their last name spelled as "Diamond." I believe they dropped the letter "a" in their last name so as to make their ethnic Jєωιѕнness less obvious.
    I have cousins whose last name is Diamond, and they're about as Jєωιѕн as Dolly Parton.  So while the name is found among Jews (e.g., Neil Diamond), it's not a slam dunk.


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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #71 on: November 28, 2021, 10:42:11 PM »
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  • I feel that the "because" (which is the reason any person gives for this specific crisis) is significant because each individual response must be weighed against Traditional Catholic teaching to determine if the person making the statement is adhering to said teaching.

    For example, Person A can say they're Catholic and their reason for not being able to receive the sacraments is because they are merely unable to gain access to any priests because of their persecution. This person's reasoning is true and, at the same time, they're actually Catholic because they are adhering to what the Church teaches: that there are priests and there are sacraments despite the crisis because Christ's Church will last until the end of time.

    Now, Person B (the deceptive Matatics-type) can say they're Catholic and their reason for not being able to receive the sacraments is because they're unable to gain access to any priests because there are no priests anywhere in the world and thus there can never be sacraments given anywhere in the world. In this case, this person's reasoning is false (faulty) because they're claiming to be Catholic yet, at the same time, their reasoning statement is diametrically opposed to Traditional Catholic teaching. Whether or not Person B knows this is debatable but one thing surely isn't: that Person B is not Catholic. Christ's Church will last until the end of time and that includes at least one priest and thus at least one person to administer sacraments.
    I don't think GM says there are absolutely no priests, anywhere in the world, rather, there are priests, but according to GM they cannot exercise their ministry because they are impeded by not having faculties or permission.

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #72 on: November 30, 2021, 02:09:48 PM »
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  • I have cousins whose last name is Diamond, and they're about as Jєωιѕн as Dolly Parton.  So while the name is found among Jєωs (e.g., Neil Diamond), it's not a slam dunk.
    You're a formidable opponent in discussions and I like that you give people the benefit of the doubt. However, the Dimonds adamantly refuse to tell what ethnicity they are. When asked by several people, they only go so far as saying they were brought up in a "secular" home. There's no reason why they shouldn't answer the question when it is asked (other than to hide their ethnic Jєωιѕнness). Then when I find they went and deliberately changed the spelling of their last name, I couldn't psychologically ignore that pertinent fact. Even cult-leader Richard Ibranyi, who was a former Dimond follower, said he "thinks" they're Jєωιѕн.
    I don't think GM says there are absolutely no priests, anywhere in the world, rather, there are priests, but according to GM they cannot exercise their ministry because they are impeded by not having faculties or permission.
    Then that makes GM's actions even less sensible. Remember that GM willingly converted to Catholicism. Why would he convert to a religion that is unable to provide him valid sacraments or valid priests? To supposedly "convert" to a religion he believes is the One True Church and then publicly make the claims that he makes just smacks of deceptive/ulterior motives, and false conversion.

    He pretty much admits to converting to a Church that he knows is so broken that every priest who claims to be a priest isn't even really a priest. Why would anyone do such a thing in good conscience? There has to be some unity and some hierarchy, after all, in Christ's Church. But not according to Matatics 101. And if that isn't absurd enough, he claims to be one of the only Catholics in the world who realize this (maybe even the only one in the world or, at the very least, the first one in the world). 

    I just think he's a sleazy pseudo-convert who probably saw a way to make a buck by finding an argumentative position within the Traditional circles, exploiting it by adding his own twist on it (which anyone can see is totally non-Catholic) and seeing how many people will follow him or support him by giving him money. 


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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #73 on: November 30, 2021, 04:49:51 PM »
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  • You're a formidable opponent in discussions and I like that you give people the benefit of the doubt. However, the Dimonds adamantly refuse to tell what ethnicity they are. When asked by several people, they only go so far as saying they were brought up in a "secular" home. There's no reason why they shouldn't answer the question when it is asked (other than to hide their ethnic Jєωιѕнness). Then when I find they went and deliberately changed the spelling of their last name, I couldn't psychologically ignore that pertinent fact. Even cult-leader Richard Ibranyi, who was a former Dimond follower, said he "thinks" they're Jєωιѕн. Then that makes GM's actions even less sensible. Remember that GM willingly converted to Catholicism. Why would he convert to a religion that is unable to provide him valid sacraments or valid priests? To supposedly "convert" to a religion he believes is the One True Church and then publicly make the claims that he makes just smacks of deceptive/ulterior motives, and false conversion.

    He pretty much admits to converting to a Church that he knows is so broken that every priest who claims to be a priest isn't even really a priest. Why would anyone do such a thing in good conscience? There has to be some unity and some hierarchy, after all, in Christ's Church. But not according to Matatics 101. And if that isn't absurd enough, he claims to be one of the only Catholics in the world who realize this (maybe even the only one in the world or, at the very least, the first one in the world). 

    I just think he's a sleazy pseudo-convert who probably saw a way to make a buck by finding an argumentative position within the Traditional circles, exploiting it by adding his own twist on it (which anyone can see is totally non-Catholic) and seeing how many people will follow him or support him by giving him money.

    You sure aren't loath to look into people's hearts and make accusations about people's motives, are you?

    As to the Dimonds and their ethnicity, how about, "it's none of your damned business." What difference does their ethnicity make if they profess the true faith that knows no race, gender, or ethnicity (Galatians 3:28, etc.), other than to people like you, and frankly . . . never mind.

    Do you know anything about Gerry's background? The man was a "star" of the Novus Ordo sect, one of Cath Answers A team. He taught  theology at prestigious Catholic universities and could have had the good life, but he threw that away to be in a sect of one (1) - he needs some help with marketing, apparently; but not from you - , so he could reap fans and $$$$, according to you. :laugh1:

    If he had a mercenary, pecuniary motive, he would have stayed where he was and milked that cow. Either you: a) don't make any inquiry as to facts before you speak, and just pontificate wherever your exceptional ability to look into hearts and minds takes you, or b) you're simply incapable of just emoting at the drop of a hat.

    Either way, not very commendable.

    These accusations are horrible: I do hope you come to realize that.

    Thanks for emptying some of the garbage of Traddie world on cathinfo.

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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #74 on: November 30, 2021, 04:53:44 PM »
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  • I just think he's a sleazy pseudo-convert who probably saw a way to make a buck by finding an argumentative position within the Traditional circles, exploiting it by adding his own twist on it (which anyone can see is totally non-Catholic) and seeing how many people will follow him or support him by giving him money.
    You do not have a clue what you are talking about, it is the complete opposite. GM and his wife had been living from hand to mouth with their 10 children almost forever, and now his wife is gone. He could have been very well off, a big shot, had he stayed with the EWTN and Stubenville crowd, but he gave it all up to follow truth AND have 10 children. No one that does that, is sleazy or pseudo.

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    Gerry Matatics gave up a very lucrative Protestant convert to Catholicism evangelist profession, to follow truth. He has I think over 12 children now. By their deeds you shall know them. Jerry Matatics has conviction of faith. I do not agree with him on the home alone stuff, but I respect him as man of conviction, a follower of truth no matter the monetary or social consequences. On the other side, I currently have little respect for the SSPX hierarchy for being the complete contrary of Jerry Matatics, for having no conviction, and following wealth, titles, popularity, and status rather than truth.