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https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/05/29/bombshell-dr-peter-kwasniewski-most-respected-english-speaking-trad-theologian-and-liturgist-vigorously-acknowledges-pope-benedicts-resignation-is-highly-suspect-in-terms-of-validity/


BOMBSHELL: Dr. Peter Kwasniewski, most respected English-speaking Trad theologian and liturgist, vigorously acknowledges Pope Benedict’s resignation is highly suspect in terms of validity

Dr. Peter Kwasniewski has, apparently, come on-side.  I am not surprised in the least.  Dr. Kwasniewski is a genuinely GOOD MAN.  He is a husband and father, and one of the most charitable people I have ever met (he never says a bad word about ANYONE – something I wish I could claim of myself, but cannot).

I have met Dr. Kwasniewski twice over the years, and found him to be completely sincere, and detected not a WHIFF of elitism nor “liturgical fetishism” in him.  Dr. Kwasniewski is a married man with children, so, let the reader understand the point being made.  Both times that I saw him speak, years ago, it was obvious that he had what I often refer to as “a personal relationship with Jesus Christ”.  He loves Our Lord and His Holy Church, and the Liturgies of The Church (Mass/Divine Liturgy, Divine Office) because he loves Our Lord.  Full stop.

Given this, it is not surprising that Dr. Kwasniewski would, after reading the English translation of , published just a few days ago, instantly recognize the TRUTH, and be attracted to it, because, after all, the Truth is a Person, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  When you love Someone, you recognize Him when you see Him, and you go to Him, no matter what the earthly consequences.

I reprint here, in full, Dr. Kwasniewski’s Amazon.com review of Antonio Socci’s book “The Secret of Benedict XVI: Is He Still the Pope?”
Pray for Dr. Kwasniewski, as he will no doubt receive all kinds of blow-back over this.

Folks, the “Trad, Inc.” people who have launched a calumny campaign against me, admittedly being a person who has made myself a target over the years with the force of my rhetoric and willingness to do what the Prayer After Confession says and “avoid all evil company”, DARE NOT say ONE WORD against Dr. Kwasniewski.  If they do, may God Almighty verily have mercy on them, because that would be going just about as low as one could possibly go.

Dr. Kwasniewski’s Amazon.com review, in full, emphases mine:

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(FIVE OUT OF FIVE STARS)

Ever been troubled by what looks like two Popes at the Vatican?

I read this book expecting to be a little skeptical of an author who would argue that Benedict XVI did not validly resign the papacy. After all, it sure looked as if he intended to do that in his famous speech of abdication, and the world seems to have accepted it as such.

Socci, however, persuaded me otherwise with his careful analysis of Benedict’s XVI’s various utterances on the subject (and there are a surprising number of them!), Archbishop Gaenswein’s speeches, and, above all, the interpretations of canon lawyers — none of them traditionalists, by the way — who have proved in detail that the resignation lacks several conditions for validity. The argument is not based on the St. Gallen Mafia, but on the inherent actions and statements of Benedict XVI and others, all publicly available. In other words, this is no “conspiracy theory” but a soberly argued case. Even those who think they have a watertight case in favor of validity should, out of intellectual honesty, grapple with what Socci presents here. If they can defeat his arguments, all the better for the defense of truth. If they cannot or will not, however, this would seem to indicate a moral or mental weakness.

That is not the only aspect of this book I would praise. I also find much food for thought and prayer in Socci’s speculations about the prophetic message of Fatima and his spiritual-theological interpretation of the unprecedented situation in the Catholic Church. While I find his interpretation of Benedict XVI’s motivations overly positive, I think the way he tries to place current events in a prophetic and specifically Marian context is extremely helpful.

In short: highly recommended.


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"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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Dr. Peter Kwasniewski must be feeling the pressure big time (especially since canon212.com has made this news the main headline today), because he has edited his review on Amazon.


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May 28, 2019
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I read this book expecting to be skeptical of an author who would argue that Benedict XVI did not validly or fully resign the papacy. After all, it sure looked as if he intended to do that in his famous speech of abdication, and the world seems to have accepted it as such.

Socci, however, gave me much to think about with his careful analysis of Benedict's XVI's utterances on the subject (and there are a surprising number of them!), Archbishop Gaenswein's speeches, and, above all, the interpretations of canon lawyers -- none of them traditionalists, by the way -- who argue that the resignation lacks several conditions for validity. The argument is not based so much on the machinations of the St. Gallen Mafia as on the inherent actions and statements of Benedict XVI and others, all publicly available. In other words, this is no "conspiracy theory" but a soberly argued case. There are certainly steps in the argument that I wonder about or find less than convincing, and the book raises quite as many question as it purports to resolve, yet the complete picture is nothing less than apocalyptic.

Even those who think they have a watertight case in favor of validity should, out of intellectual honesty, grapple with what Socci presents here. If they can defeat his arguments, all the better for the defense of truth. If they cannot or will not, however, this would seem to indicate a moral or mental weakness. I would be happy to see a refutation, but it has to go beyond the anodyne statement that "general acceptance of a pope is equivalent to the validity of a papacy." We are in uncharted waters, and we need to recognize that the safe and sound ecclesiology of the preconciliar period is being burst open in all sorts of ways.

I would like to add that I have not read anything else by Socci on the question of the Ratzinger/Bergoglio dilemma, and it seems to me that he does not come down clearly *in this book* on the question of whether, or in what sense, Francis is Pope. If anything, he seems to be agnostic and ambivalent, suggesting a kind of papal diarchy, even while recognizing that this makes little sense in a classical perspective. Without a doubt, he thinks that Benedict thinks that both Francis and Benedict are simultaneously the pope, albeit in a bifurcated manner. While I find Socci's interpretation of Benedict XVI's motivations overly positive (he adulates Ratzinger as much as he denigrates Bergoglio), the way he tries to place current events in a prophetic and specifically Marian context is extremely helpful.

A last note, due to the explosive nature of this subject: I still consider and acknowledge Pope Francis to be the Roman Pontiff, and pray for him as such. (Indeed, I could not have signed the Open Letter released on April 30, 2019, had I not thought he was the Pope!) Socci has not been able to budge this view of mine. But (I will repeat) Socci has brings into clear relief the bizarreness, irregularity, and incoherence of the current situation, and causes in the reader a salutary perplexity.


"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/05/30/intellectual-dishonesty-and-moral-weakness-in-the-age-of-antipope-bergoglio/



“Intellectual dishonesty” and “moral weakness” in the age of antipope Bergoglio

Posted onMAY 30, 2019

The two detestable behaviors noted in the headline were directly called out by Dr. Peter Kwasniewski in his review of Antonio Socci’s book, wherein the doctor declared that the evidence in the book PROVED that Benedict’s resignation was invalid. He lamented said behaviors in those who would lazily dismiss the evidence or shout down/calumniate those who have helped bring it to light.

After a few hours of his review going viral, the good doctor altered his review, and completely flip flopped on his assessment of the evidence. Suddenly, he is unconvinced, and he pledges his loyalty to “Pope Francis,” who is totally the Pope, obvi.

You can read the latest version of his review at Amazon, of course. But to answer those of you accusing me of slandering the doctor by willfully changing what he really wrote, I offer the original screen grab below, with the money phrase highlighted.

"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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https://twitter.com/MahoundParadise/status/1133936226787123200 
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Mahound's Paradise‏ 


1) Dr. Peter Kwasniewski, whose character and scholarship I highly respect, has just made at least three sets of edits on his Amazon review of the recent @AntonioSocci1 book, progressively moving from quasi-endorsement of the "bennevacantist" thesis to explicitly repudiating it.


Mahound's Paradise‏ 


2) I cannot believe that a man with such a clearly high calibre of writing skill could continue to express himself so imprecisely as to keep going back. He's obviously reacting to the continuing reaction. Why not just delete the thing and be done with it?


Mahound's Paradise‏ 


3) Kwasniewski is no coward, and I have a feeling he has made more sacrifices for the truth than most. So why the BS now? He can't fool God as to what he really thinks. Why try to fool others? I'm so freaking tired of this sort of thing.


Non Veni Pacem‏ 


It wasn’t a “quasi-endorsement.” He flatly stated that the evidence presented by Socci “proved in detail” that the resignation was invalid. That’s what he wrote, and it’s not “quasi” anything.

"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/05/30/called-it-wrongthink-will-not-be-tolerated/


Called it: Wrongthink will not be tolerated!

In the post immediately below about Dr. Kwasniewski’s review of Antonio Socci’s book “The Secret of Benedict XVI: Is He Still the Pope?”, I said:

Pray for Dr. Kwasniewski, as he will no doubt receive all kinds of blow-back over this.

I should have said, “Pray for him, that he not flee for fear of the wolves.”

Sure enough, after this post and others sent the review viral, Dr. Kwasniewski edited his review. Then he edited it again. Then he edited again. It appears the edits have stopped, and the review is now 180 degrees from where it began.

People are now being falsely accused of doctoring or manipulating the review. No, it was edited several times over a span of a few hours by Dr. K himself until the Wrongthink was purged. Everyone has screenshots, because frankly, this was not entirely unanticipated.

Well, perhaps this serves to prove a point about the pressure people are under who make their living, even tangentially, off the Church.

Anyway, Socci’s book is a very interesting read. Check it out.
"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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Wrote Jean Guitton (Pantheist and Bergsonian), friend of Giovanni Battista Montini, "Pius XII knew it, he himself said he was the 'last Pope,' the last link of a long chain. And yet in those years of the 1950's, the Church was thriving. But Pius XII knew an unprecedented crisis was in the making, 'in the very bosom of the Church,' as Pius X had already said. And that came about, in fact, with the election of John XXIII. Modernism exploded violently, in spite of Humanae Generis, issued by Pius XII in 1950. Jacques Maritain shared this view: "The modernism of the time of Pius X, compared with the modern neo-modernistic fever, was but a mere hay-fever." In fact, with Pope John XXIII the situation was reversed. The Progressives popped out from everywhere.

The last true (good?) Pope was Pius XII. But what do you do with John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI? Through them into the trash can says the sedevacantist along with the fake Catholic Church since October 1958. That leaves one with no visible Church since October 1958. What now?

What do you do with St. Malachy's prophecies? Through them out too! Even though Benedict XV was Religio depopulate or in English "Religion Depopulated (Catholics killing Catholics)" a pretty good prediction. Pius XII was Paſtor angelicus  " in English "Angelic Shepherd" another good prediction. Benedict XVI was Gloria oliuæ in English "The Glory of the Olive" or "The Glory of the Olive Trees" which Jesus gave his apocalyptic prophecy about the end of time from the Mount of Olives. A dang good track record since this was done either in the 12 century or the 16 century if you consider it a fraud.

Now comes "Peter the Roman" who feeds the sheep during the final persecution before the destruction of Rome and the return of Christ. If that is Francis that is some pretty foul smelling food he is feeding the sheep with. "Peter the Roman" has got to be Benedict XVI who sits in his old age in Rome (Vatican) and feeds the sheep by his prayers. There is no other way this makes sense. So Francis is allowed by God to take away the ungodly into ungodliness and depravity while God continues  to feed the sheep through the prayers of his true pastor (he is no Pius XII mind you). When the allotted time that is given to Francis to destroy the ungodly is up then Francis dies at the same time Rome is half destroyed by revolution and then Peter the Roman flees Rome while blessing the corpses. He then dies a cruel death in a foreign land.

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As John Paul II said, "Pope Emeritus, impossible." I believe he was speaking from spiritual knowledge given to him in his spiritual meditations.

Once a Pope, always a Pope. Splitting the Papacy into two parts while a Pope is alive is an impossibility. A Pope is a Pope for life and in eternity. The earthly power of a Pope only ends when he is dead and his soul enters into the hereafter:  heaven, purgatory or hell.

Francis is not the Pope.

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So Pope Saint Celestine V is in heaven?
But he resigned the Papacy here on earth?
How is he a Pope in heaven since he resigned the Papacy?
Or is he Pope Emeritus in heaven?
Are all the “Popes” that are in heaven, Pope Emeritus’s?

So maybe we should pray: Pope Emeritus Saint Celestine V, pray for us. Since we now know the true office he held at the moment of his death.


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So Pope Saint Celestine V is in heaven?
But he resigned the Papacy here on earth?
How is he a Pope in heaven since he resigned the Papacy?
Or is he Pope Emeritus in heaven?
Are all the “Popes” that are in heaven, Pope Emeritus’s?

So maybe we should pray: Pope Emeritus Saint Celestine V, pray for us. Since we now know the true office he held at the moment of his death.
Sorry but you won’t find any support for your view of St Celestine’s status in Catholic sources.  Yes, St Celestine really did resign from the office of the Roman Pontiff.  His resignation is universally recognized as valid by all Catholic theologians.  Not only that but you will probably find a few sources that will support the idea that his resignation was beneficial to the Church since he had no previous administration experience prior to his election and he made some serious mistakes in the few months that he remained in office.

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So Pope Saint Celestine V is in heaven?
But he resigned the Papacy here on earth?
How is he a Pope in heaven since he resigned the Papacy?
Or is he Pope Emeritus in heaven?
Are all the “Popes” that are in heaven, Pope Emeritus’s?

So maybe we should pray: Pope Emeritus Saint Celestine V, pray for us. Since we now know the true office he held at the moment of his death.
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Some questions regarding the “alternate title” of English version of Socci book


https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/06/01/some-questions-regarding-the-alternate-title-of-english-version-of-socci-book/
"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


 

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