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Regarding Tradition, what would change if +Benedict were still the pope?  Nothing.  +Benedict would still be working with +Fellay to suck in the neo-sspx into the black hole of new-rome.  +Benedict would still be defending a "conservative" view of V2 and he would be promoting a hybrid 1962/novus ordo missal to replace the 1962 missal.
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Maybe +Benedict would try to get rid of some of the flaming homos in new-rome.  Maybe he would curtail some of the flaming liberal bishops' actions.  But that's a drop in the bucket of "good" compared to what needs to be done.  No, +Benedict is not the answer to the Church's problems.  He was one of V2's original supporters.  He will have much to answer for this.  He can never "restore" the Church because his Catholicism is modernistic.  He's a heretic.

Benedict was arguably more dangerous than Bergoglio ... since he fooled people into thinking him to be some kind of "traditionalist".  He was as Modernist as they came.  At least with Bergoglio the mask has come off and people are confronted with the reality of who these men are.

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Benedict was arguably more dangerous than Bergoglio ... since he fooled people into thinking him to be some kind of "traditionalist".  He was as Modernist as they came.  At least with Bergoglio the mask has come off and people are confronted with the reality of who these men are.
Another admission by Benedict that he is not the pope:

https://www.vaticannews.va/it/vaticano/news/2019-06/benedetto-xvi-papa-emerito-unita-chiesa-vince-divisioni-interne.html

Google Translation:

Benedict XVI: the Pope is one, Francesco. Unity is stronger than divisions

The Pope emeritus recalls, in an interview, that the history of the Church has always been crossed by internal struggles and schisms: but unity must always prevail

"The unity of the Church has always been in danger, for centuries. It has been for all its history. Wars, internal conflicts, centrifugal forces, threats of schisms. But in the end the awareness that the Church is and must remain united has always prevailed. Its unity has always been stronger than the struggles and internal wars ". It is the certainty of Benedict XVI that everyone remembers: "The Pope is one, Francis".
His concern for the unity of the Church becomes even stronger in our times, in which Christians often appear to be divided over the public square and confront each other even with bright tones, perhaps using the same name as Ratzinger in an absolutely improper way. Benedetto's words are reported by the Corriere della Sera, which publishes an interview with the emeritus Pope in his weekly paper.

Unity in diversity

These are words that refer to the great commitment to strengthen the ecclesial communion that characterized the whole pontificate of Benedict XVI, until the last day of his Petrine ministry: "Let us remain united, dear Brothers" - he said in his last speech to the cardinals on 28 February 2013 - in "this profound unity" where the diversities - expression of the universal Church - always contribute to the superior and harmonious harmony "and" thus we serve the Church and the whole of humanity ". And he had assured his prayer for the election of his successor: "May the Lord show you what is desired by Him. And among you, among the College of Cardinals, there is also the future Pope to whom I already promise my unconditional reverence and obedience ".
"For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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Benedict was arguably more dangerous than Bergoglio ... since he fooled people into thinking him to be some kind of "traditionalist".  He was as Modernist as they came.  At least with Bergoglio the mask has come off and people are confronted with the reality of who these men are.
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2Vermont - Don't be so easily fooled.

Veri Catholici‏ 

For the record, the fraud of Vatican News is taking a very short citation to a previous statement and expanding it back to the original and then claiming it was said during the interview, though the interview never claimed that. That is journalist fraud of the first class!
(Scroll through the rest of that thread: https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1144969041003581441)

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http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/06/is-journalist-of-benedict-xvi-pope-is.html


Is the Journalist of the Benedict XVI "Pope is one; is Francis" Interview a Leftist British Operative?

The Italian Massimo Franco who interviewed Benedict XVI with "The Pope is one; [he] is Francis" quote appears to possibly be a leftist British operative of some type who is ambiguous.

LifeSiteNews stated the Franco quotations of Benedict were at best ambiguous:

"It is unclear from this introductory article if these particular quotations were from the reporter or Benedict XVI himself."
(LifeSiteNews, "Benedict XVI asserts Francis is pope in new interview," June 29, 2019)

According to Wikipedia, Franco "is [a] member of the [British establishment] International Institute for Strategic Studies" which according to "Transparify... gave it it's lowest rating [for a think tank], 'deceptive' on funding transparency."

Wikipedia, also, said Franco "was a Vatican commentator at The [leftist pro-UK British] Guardian" until "2011." Moreover, Wikipedia said according to "Journalist Glenn Greenwald [The Guardian wrote fake news about]... Julian Assange... 'This article is about how those [Guardian's] false claims -fabrications, really - causing... thousands... (if not millions) to consume false news.'"

Journalist Antonio Socci says "Britain... [had] a strong political interest... to have Jorge Mario Bergoglio elected pope."
(The Secret of Benedict XVI, page 47-48 )

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.
"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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And since we're in an Antonio Socci thread, here was his tweet today (Google translated, and maybe I would add: "protect him from the hatred of those who call themselves Catholic" *ahem*).

https://twitter.com/AntonioSocci1/status/1144887115123253248


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@ AntonioSocci1




For the feast of saints "Peter and Paul" best wishes to the Pope, may God keep us healthy for a long time, though old, and protect him from the hatred of the powers of this world

1:35 AM - 29 Jun 2019


"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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2Vermont - Don't be so easily fooled.

Veri Catholici

For the record, the fraud of Vatican News is taking a very short citation to a previous statement and expanding it back to the original and then claiming it was said during the interview, though the interview never claimed that. That is journalist fraud of the first class!
(Scroll through the rest of that thread: https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1144969041003581441)

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http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/06/is-journalist-of-benedict-xvi-pope-is.html


Is the Journalist of the Benedict XVI "Pope is one; is Francis" Interview a Leftist British Operative?

The Italian Massimo Franco who interviewed Benedict XVI with "The Pope is one; [he] is Francis" quote appears to possibly be a leftist British operative of some type who is ambiguous.

LifeSiteNews stated the Franco quotations of Benedict were at best ambiguous:

"It is unclear from this introductory article if these particular quotations were from the reporter or Benedict XVI himself."
(LifeSiteNews, "Benedict XVI asserts Francis is pope in new interview," June 29, 2019)


According to Wikipedia, Franco "is [a] member of the [British establishment] International Institute for Strategic Studies" which according to "Transparify... gave it it's lowest rating [for a think tank], 'deceptive' on funding transparency."

Wikipedia, also, said Franco "was a Vatican commentator at The [leftist pro-UK British] Guardian" until "2011." Moreover, Wikipedia said according to "Journalist Glenn Greenwald [The Guardian wrote fake news about]... Julian Assange... 'This article is about how those [Guardian's] false claims -fabrications, really - causing... thousands... (if not millions) to consume false news.'"

Journalist Antonio Socci says "Britain... [had] a strong political interest... to have Jorge Mario Bergoglio elected pope."
(The Secret of Benedict XVI, page 47-48 )

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.
It isn't clear what fradulent statement VeriCatholic is referring to above. Do you?

Also, Life Site News was referring to the introductory article (not the entire interview) which does not include the quote "There is one single pope, Francis".

So, I'm still not seeing valid proof that this quote is a conspiracy.  You may wish to hold off on saying to others "Don't be so easily fooled".  It's not I that Ratzinger fools.
"For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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Pax Vobis - Wow. That's brutal. Not to mention disappointing in that I thought you were at least somewhat open to the BiP position. 
I am open to it, I'm just saying that (best case scenario) if +Benedict had never resigned and +Francis were still in Argentina, what would change for Tradition/orthodoxy?  Not a darn thing.  So the fact that +Benedict may still be pope and +Francis is a fraud doesn't change anything practically.  +Benedict is, and always has been, a Modernist heretic.


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So what you're saying is, you don't care that a multitude of Catholics (whether in name only, I'll let God determine that) are being led into apostasy by the usurper and destroyer Jorge "Francis" Bergoglio, because the man who *used to be* Pope (Benedict XVI was your pope at one time, yes?) still must be that same VII modernist "heretic" (you appear to have moral certitude that he has NOT undergone a possible conversion due to his knowledge of the Third Secret -- which, btw, very likely was the KEY factor in what led him to make this unprecedented decision to "resign" in the manner that he did -- read Socci's book); therefore, it matters not that it has been PROVEN by Canon Law and just the sheer objective reality of the situation (no such thing as a "Pope Emeritus" and numerous other visible signs impossible to ignore) that Benedict XVI does indeed remain the one and only reigning Pope. 
+Benedict led just as many people in heresy before he became pope, as Cardinal Ratzinger.  He supported V2 from the beginning (and still does).  He's never publicly condemned V2 at all.  This is enough to say he's a heretic.  
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Let's not forget that Cardinal Ratzinger was instrumental in the year 2000 lie of the "Third Secret".  He was instrumental in lying to the entire catholic world that Fatima's purpose was finished.  
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As Cardinal, he's also been instrumental since the 80s for "negotiating" with the sspx and to try to get Traditionalism under new-rome's control.  He's also written many books (both as Cardinal and pope) that are filled with quasi-heresies and doubts of faith.  
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What evidence is there that he "converted" because of the 3rd secret?  Did he convert because of the 2000 version (which he has never said was a lie)?  Or did he convert because of the true, unreleased 3rd secret (which none of us knows)?  So many questions, so few answers.  
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But... you don't have a need for this TRUTH. And you think God is just going to let you skip on by with this kind of indifference and the whining about what wouldn't change anyway if the TRUE Pope were somehow allowed to actually perform his duties? 

Even if +Benedict is still the true pope, this is beyond my control.  He was pope for over 5 years, so we know what he did and didn't do already.  For me to project future accomplishments based on his past track record is a prudent act.


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Even if you reluctantly accepted the truth of BiP, would you even want to pray for this "heretic", or is he excluded from conversion? Because it certainly sounds as if you have Benedict judged as irredeemable.  
I've not stopped praying for the entire Church in rome, +Benedict, +Francis and all Cardinals included.  Praying for heretics has nothing to do with condemning their errors.

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It isn't clear what fradulent statement VeriCatholic is referring to above. Do you?

You posted the Vatican News article and said: "Another admission by Benedict that he is not the pope"

Veri Catholici, who has read the full "interview" said (of the Vatican News article): "For the record, the fraud of Vatican News is taking a very short citation to a previous statement and expanding it back to the original and then claiming it was said during the interview, though the interview never claimed that. That is journalist fraud of the first class!"

It seems this tweet refers to that "very short citation to a previous statement", although he didn't say where the original came from.

Veri Catholici

Many Thanks to a Member who shared the Benedict Interview with Veri Catholici HQ. We can now confirm that BENEDICT NEVER SAID during the interview, that There is only One Pope, and He is Francis. That quote was taken from several years ago.
https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1144666442308227074


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Also, Life Site News was referring to the introductory article (not the entire interview) which does not include the quote "There is one single pope, Francis".

Which goes to demonstrate that they are admitting ambiguity when they themselves can't figure out who is saying what.  
"It is unclear from this introductory article if these particular quotations were from the reporter or Benedict XVI himself." (LifeSiteNews, "Benedict XVI asserts Francis is pope in new interview," June 29, 2019)

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Veri Catholici tweeted more about the bad journalistic ethics of Vatican News and Life Site News:


Veri Catholici

Vatican news claimed in a prepublication review that the interview contained the statement which Life site repeats in the tweet and article above. But the Italian of the interview contains no such statement. LifeSite wants Bergoglio pope so they follow Vatican News' lie.


Veri Catholici


Oh how the ethics of Life Site News have fallen. In a matter of days they are publicly rebuked by Cardinal Burke for associating his name with Bannon, and then they publish as news the lie of Vatican News regarding what never was in the b16 interview by Corriere della Sera.


Veri Catholici

It's exceedingly bad ethics to report second hand and third hand claims without verifying them. The article is available in Italian from the newspaper. If you read it, no such claim is found in it.





"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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Yep. it's always too easy for people to make mistakes where they do the most harm.

The sad part is that the damage done is never contained to just where the perpetrator wanted it, but it spreads like a cancer and affects far and wide. All except the perpetrator, or course, they're immune, they're retired or dead.

But everyone else is not immune. So eventually the perpetrator is the last one standing-- everything else is destroyed. Even the good people who are somewhat far away feel the cold touch. and shrivel. Some, a few, hobble away and survive, many die a slow death.

Some day people will look back into history, shake their heads and say "Yep, if he had only known he would have done things differently." Probably not, since the perpetrator is always right in his head until he stands before God.

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Life Site's follow-up report now confirms what Veri Catholici had tweeted (above): "We can now confirm that BENEDICT NEVER SAID during the interview, that There is only One Pope, and He is Francis."

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/no-evidence-pope-benedict-said-the-pope-is-one-it-is-francis


No evidence Pope Benedict said ‘the Pope is one; it is Francis’
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ROME, Italy, July 4, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) ― Several media outlets around the world have reported that Benedict XVI asserted in a recent interview that Pope Francis “is the one pope,” but there is no evidence for this in the actual interview.

Thanks to reader Fr. Alfredo Morselli, LifeSiteNews has obtained a PDF of Massimo Franco’s interview with Benedict XVI for the Corriere della Sera’s Sunday supplement, “Sette [7]” magazine.

The interview, which first appeared in the print edition of the magazine on June 30, is also available online.

Although articles about the interview, including one produced by the Catholic News Agency, stated that the Pope Emeritus had said in this interview that “the Pope is one; it is Francis,” evidence cannot be found in the interview itself. LifeSiteNews published a report on this matter on June 29 drawing on material from the Catholic News Agency report.  

The actual paragraph in which the phrases can be found does not seem to be a direct quotation from Benedict XVI but a suggestion by the interviewer of what the Pope Emeritus says to Francis’ critics.

Found on page 28, the paragraph has been recently translated for LifeSiteNews by Diane Montagna. Purporting to describe the six years of Benedict’s retirement in Vatican City, Franco wrote:

"When the history of these hidden years in Mater Ecclesia is written, it must not leave out the confidential visits from cardinals and bishops who knocked at the door looking for reassurance and voiced their criticisms and perplexity about the current pontificate. And one will discover how much was done to avoid lacerations. Bergoglio’s adversaries, who are often conservatives desperately searching for a word from Benedict that sounds like a criticism of Bergoglio, have invariably heard the response that ‘the Pope is one, it is Francis.’"

A trusted source told LifeSiteNews yesterday that Franco is refusing to confirm that the Pope Emeritus really did say those words.

In April 2019, following Benedict’s surprise statement about the clerical sex abuse crisis, Cardinal Gerhardt Müller made an assertion very close to the one Franco claimed for Benedict. Müller, a former prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said that it was not possible for a “true Catholic” to oppose Benedict XVI and Francis.

“I must refuse absolutely this false game of opposing the two people: we have now only one Pope who is Francis, and Benedict is not the pope anymore,” the Cardinal told television interviewer Fabio Marchese Ragona on April 13, 2019 (at 13:24).  

The Corriere della Sera ran an advertising campaign for Franco’s interview with Benedict XVI prior to its publication in Sette magazine. However, in reality, expectations were dashed as Franco provided very little by way of direct quotations from the retired pontiff. It is unclear from the text that Benedict knew that he was participating in an interview; the pontiff’s most revelatory statement is that he prefers Italian holidays to Italian politics. Most of the article describes the visual details the journalist noticed in his outdoor meeting with Benedict, the retired pontiff’s day-to-day life, and Benedict’s amusement when given a cartoon of himself by cartoonist Emilio Giannelli, whom Franco said accompanied him to the interview.

On June 27, the Italian version of Vatican News, anticipating Franco’s interview, seemed to suggest that the Pope Emeritus had said “the pope is one, Francis” to the Corriere della Sera reporter.  
"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/07/socci-roman-jurist-states-benedicts.html

Socci: Roman Jurist states Benedict's Resignation "Time Limit" of "28 February 2013, at 20:00 Hours" makes Resignation "Invalidated"

Antonio Socci in his new book presents evidence that Benedict XVI's placing of a "time limit" on his resignation makes the resignation invalid according to a Roman jurist."

Benedict's resignation stated:

"[F]rom 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant."

Roman jurist Emilio Papinano asserted:

"Legitimate acts do not admit of any time limit or condition... are completely invalidated by the addition of any condition."
(The Secret of Benedict XVI, "Pages 68-75)

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.
"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson


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http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/07/socci-could-benedict-resign-solely-for.html


Socci: Could Benedict XVI "Resign Solely for Reasons of Age"?

Antonio Socci in his new book shows evidence that Benedict XVI might not have been able to "resign solely for reasons of age."

Benedict's resignation said:

"Both strength of mind and body... has deteriorated... I have had to recognize my incapacity... For this reason I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, successor of Saint Peter."

"An authoritative canonist, Cardinal Vincent Faggioli" under John Paul II wrote:

"In an exhaustive and absolute way, the pope may not resign solely for reasons of age."

(The Secret of Benedict XVI, Pages 67-76)

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.
"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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An Amazon review of Antonio Socci's book.

A Tour de Force!

An excellent, carefully researched, and convincingly argued assessment of the current unprecedented tumult of the Catholic Church, and the roles of "the two popes" in the midst of it all. This book brings so much clarity to what Catholics are now living through, and in so doing removes some of the confusion - and the fear that accompanies confusion. However, in my opinion, the real tour de force, is the final chapter, "Everything Is Possible" -- a truly stunning, prophetic, and, yes, frightening examination of the place of "the two popes" in the current state of the Church AND the world. It should serve as a wake-up call of the highest magnitude to everyone, regardless of religion or background.

"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/07/socci-if-benedicts-limited-resignation.html

Socci: If Benedict's "Limited" Resignation is Valid then is "the Entire Juridical Order" Overturned where "the Law is Lost"?

Antonio Socci in his new book appears to be making the case that for Benedict XVI's resignation to be valid then "the entire juridical order" may have to be invalidated where "the law is lost."

Benedict's resignation said:

"[M]y strengths... are no longer suited to the adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry."

For theologian and canonist Stefano Violi the key limiting term or word in the resignation is "exercise":

"[T]he limited renunciation of the active exercise of the munus constitutes the absolute novelty of the renunciation of Benedict XVI."

Respected canonist Guido Ferro Canales says that this type of "renunciation" echoes the famous German Philosopher Carl Schmitt's "philosophical category of a 'state of exception'":

"Here, the 'state of exception' is to be understood... the suspension of the entire order of law that is in force. If this situation occurs, it is clear that the State continues, while the law is lost."

Canales explain how this applies to the "limit renunciation" that was examined by Violi:

"The pontificate of Benedict XVI became a 'pontificate of exception' by virtue of his resignation... A state of affairs that cannot be regulated a priori and thus, if it occurs requires the suspension of the entire juridical order."
(The Secret of Benedict XVI, Pages 80-85)

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.
"I think that he [Pope Benedict] was pushed... he semi-resigned... he didn't completely resign, he semi-resigned... he made way for another pope to take his place... but he kept, nevertheless, the white habit, he kept various things of the Papacy." - Bishop Williamson

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Nottambula:  what would it take for you to believe that Benedict is not pope?  Assuming he did not say the quote above, would you believe he was pope if he DID say it?
"For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


 

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