Regarding Tradition, what would change if +Benedict were still the pope?  Nothing.  +Benedict would still be working with +Fellay to suck in the neo-sspx into the black hole of new-rome.  +Benedict would still be defending a "conservative" view of V2 and he would be promoting a hybrid 1962/novus ordo missal to replace the 1962 missal.
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Maybe +Benedict would try to get rid of some of the flaming homos in new-rome.  Maybe he would curtail some of the flaming liberal bishops' actions.  But that's a drop in the bucket of "good" compared to what needs to be done.  No, +Benedict is not the answer to the Church's problems.  He was one of V2's original supporters.  He will have much to answer for this.  He can never "restore" the Church because his Catholicism is modernistic.  He's a heretic.

Benedict was arguably more dangerous than Bergoglio ... since he fooled people into thinking him to be some kind of "traditionalist".  He was as Modernist as they came.  At least with Bergoglio the mask has come off and people are confronted with the reality of who these men are.

Benedict was arguably more dangerous than Bergoglio ... since he fooled people into thinking him to be some kind of "traditionalist".  He was as Modernist as they came.  At least with Bergoglio the mask has come off and people are confronted with the reality of who these men are.

:applause:

And since we're in an Antonio Socci thread, here was his tweet today (Google translated, and maybe I would add: "protect him from the hatred of those who call themselves Catholic" *ahem*).

https://twitter.com/AntonioSocci1/status/1144887115123253248


AntonioSocci




For the feast of saints "Peter and Paul" best wishes to the Pope, may God keep us healthy for a long time, though old, and protect him from the hatred of the powers of this world

1:35 AM - 29 Jun 2019

Pax Vobis - Wow. That's brutal. Not to mention disappointing in that I thought you were at least somewhat open to the BiP position. 

I am open to it, I'm just saying that (best case scenario) if +Benedict had never resigned and +Francis were still in Argentina, what would change for Tradition/orthodoxy?  Not a darn thing.  So the fact that +Benedict may still be pope and +Francis is a fraud doesn't change anything practically.  +Benedict is, and always has been, a Modernist heretic.

So what you're saying is, you don't care that a multitude of Catholics (whether in name only, I'll let God determine that) are being led into apostasy by the usurper and destroyer Jorge "Francis" Bergoglio, because the man who *used to be* Pope (Benedict XVI was your pope at one time, yes?) still must be that same VII modernist "heretic" (you appear to have moral certitude that he has NOT undergone a possible conversion due to his knowledge of the Third Secret -- which, btw, very likely was the KEY factor in what led him to make this unprecedented decision to "resign" in the manner that he did -- read Socci's book); therefore, it matters not that it has been PROVEN by Canon Law and just the sheer objective reality of the situation (no such thing as a "Pope Emeritus" and numerous other visible signs impossible to ignore) that Benedict XVI does indeed remain the one and only reigning Pope. 

+Benedict led just as many people in heresy before he became pope, as Cardinal Ratzinger.  He supported V2 from the beginning (and still does).  He's never publicly condemned V2 at all.  This is enough to say he's a heretic.  
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Let's not forget that Cardinal Ratzinger was instrumental in the year 2000 lie of the "Third Secret".  He was instrumental in lying to the entire catholic world that Fatima's purpose was finished.  
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As Cardinal, he's also been instrumental since the 80s for "negotiating" with the sspx and to try to get Traditionalism under new-rome's control.  He's also written many books (both as Cardinal and pope) that are filled with quasi-heresies and doubts of faith.  
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What evidence is there that he "converted" because of the 3rd secret?  Did he convert because of the 2000 version (which he has never said was a lie)?  Or did he convert because of the true, unreleased 3rd secret (which none of us knows)?  So many questions, so few answers.  
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But... you don't have a need for this TRUTH. And you think God is just going to let you skip on by with this kind of indifference and the whining about what wouldn't change anyway if the TRUE Pope were somehow allowed to actually perform his duties? 

Even if +Benedict is still the true pope, this is beyond my control.  He was pope for over 5 years, so we know what he did and didn't do already.  For me to project future accomplishments based on his past track record is a prudent act.

Even if you reluctantly accepted the truth of BiP, would you even want to pray for this "heretic", or is he excluded from conversion? Because it certainly sounds as if you have Benedict judged as irredeemable.  

I've not stopped praying for the entire Church in rome, +Benedict, +Francis and all Cardinals included.  Praying for heretics has nothing to do with condemning their errors.

Yep. it's always too easy for people to make mistakes where they do the most harm.

The sad part is that the damage done is never contained to just where the perpetrator wanted it, but it spreads like a cancer and affects far and wide. All except the perpetrator, or course, they're immune, they're retired or dead.

But everyone else is not immune. So eventually the perpetrator is the last one standing-- everything else is destroyed. Even the good people who are somewhat far away feel the cold touch. and shrivel. Some, a few, hobble away and survive, many die a slow death.

Some day people will look back into history, shake their heads and say "Yep, if he had only known he would have done things differently." Probably not, since the perpetrator is always right in his head until he stands before God.

An Amazon review of Antonio Socci's book.

A Tour de Force!

An excellent, carefully researched, and convincingly argued assessment of the current unprecedented tumult of the Catholic Church, and the roles of "the two popes" in the midst of it all. This book brings so much clarity to what Catholics are now living through, and in so doing removes some of the confusion - and the fear that accompanies confusion. However, in my opinion, the real tour de force, is the final chapter, "Everything Is Possible" -- a truly stunning, prophetic, and, yes, frightening examination of the place of "the two popes" in the current state of the Church AND the world. It should serve as a wake-up call of the highest magnitude to everyone, regardless of religion or background.

Nottambula:  what would it take for you to believe that Benedict is not pope?  Assuming he did not say the quote above, would you believe he was pope if he DID say it?