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Offline ggreg

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  • I agree.  I really don't see what difference it makes.  Neither are consistent with Catholicism that ancestors would recognise.

    Pope Francis has made conservative NOs start to wake up and smell the coffee.

    I wonder when each of them will die.

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  • Answer this question and please TRY be honest.  If a more conservative Cardinal had been elected and was restoring Tradition would a single traditionalist in the world question the validity of Ratzinger's resignation? Would they?

    If a liberal made the same arguments that the new conservative Pope Pius XIII was not really Pope, would a single Traditionalist give it the time of day?
    Of course people would still question a conservative's resignation, they might even have a [better] case depending on how you look at it. I mean at least then, the crooks would have a reason to nix a pope who was actually out to restore the faith.

    BTW, welcome back!

    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine


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  • ggreg, are you even interested in the truth(?), because you seem to be avoiding the facts or haven't really taken the time to study them (see "Juridical Validity" thread).

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  • What facts?

    Please make sure they are facts so I don't waste time investigating speculations.

    Just quickly list facts below and I will spend as long as necessary to investigate them fully.

    But make certain they are facts.

    fact
    /fakt/
    noun
    • a thing that is known or proved to be true.
      "the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas"

    Offline ggreg

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  • The man you think is Pope has not only resigned but confirmed his resignation and said speculation  about it is absurd.

    Yet you claim he is still Pope.

    Clearly he is not THAT ill or insane because he has lasted another 6 years in retirement.  Six years.

    That strongly suggests to me that he has no will to be Pope and his will to resign in 2013 was free.  It is hard to see what he would need to do to convince those who don't believe his resignation is valid.

    There are people on this forum who think multiple space agencies around the world and hundreds of astronauts are covering up the fact that the world is flat.  So, if it is any consolation to you, I think it is more likely that B16 is still Pope than that the world is flat.

    Probability of 0.01 as opposed to probability of 0.


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  • ggreg - Why should I waste MY time repeating what has already been posted (in the thread you seem to want to avoid, where it has been PROVEN that Benedict's resignation is invalid, including the objections you stated above)? I read that you said you aren't going to be on this forum for too long, since you will be busy with a project, so perhaps you really don't have the time to "investigate" the necessary arguments put forth. And I certainly am not interested in twisting anyone's arm (nor in need of "consolation"), especially when it appears the person already has their mind made up from the get-go.

    However, for anyone who really IS interested in the truth, I highly recommend all posts in the "Juridical Validity" thread from the "From Rome" site (https://fromrome.wordpress.com/) and also the "Veri Catholici" Twitter acct. (https://twitter.com/vericatholici?lang=en). If you haven't yet been convinced of their arguments, then feel free to present your objections to them.  

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  • nottambula:  When Bennie (finally) dies, will the Chair be vacant?
    If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema. - Council of Trent

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  • I don't believe it is proven. 

    You just want it to be. 


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  • nottambula:  When Bennie (finally) dies, will the Chair be vacant?

    The obvious answer is yes, and according to prophecies, likely for two years or more while all hell is breaking loose with the 'renegade hierarchy' (the False Prophet and cohorts?) running the One World Religion a.k.a "false church of darkness" prophesied by Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich. Then we all wait for the arrival of the "Holy Pope" (whoever has survived the chastisements, anyway).

    But I am curious why the sedes are so curious as to what we "Resignationists" will believe once Benedict dies (more like killed in exile, if anyone is interested in praying for him), because that question constantly gets asked, and so... what is the deal? It's like I almost get a sense you guys don't think we have a right to also claim a vacant Chair if it doesn't have the same meaning as the one the sedes have held to. Is this some exclusive club or something?  ;) 

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  • The obvious answer is yes, and according to prophecies, likely for two years or more while all hell is breaking loose with the 'renegade hierarchy' (the False Prophet and cohorts?) running the One World Religion a.k.a "false church of darkness" prophesied by Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich. Then we all wait for the arrival of the "Holy Pope" (whoever has survived the chastisements, anyway).

    But I am curious why the sedes are so curious as to what we "Resignationists" will believe once Benedict dies (more like killed in exile, if anyone is interested in praying for him), because that question constantly gets asked, and so... what is the deal? It's like I almost get a sense you guys don't think we have a right to also claim a vacant Chair if it doesn't have the same meaning as the one the sedes have held to. Is this some exclusive club or something?  ;)
    I asked you that question because I wonder whether you would even consider the Chair vacant.  Or if you would then consider Bergoglio the true pope.  

    And  :laugh1:  at "killed in exile" and "some exclusive club".  
    If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema. - Council of Trent

     

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