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Title: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on December 20, 2018, 07:29:59 PM

The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope by Antonio Socci

Review by Giuseppe Pellegrino

For those who may feel discouraged by the present state of affairs in the Church, Antonio Socci has provided an Advent gift with his newly released Il segreto di Benedetto XVI. Perché è ancora papa (The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope) (Milano, 2018 ). Socci, a veteran Italian journalist who has already delved into the mystery behind the story of the secrets of Fatima with The Fourth Secret of Fatima and the subterfuge surrounding the 2013 conclave with Non è Francesco, again delivers a highly detailed investigation of a topic of extreme interest for the Church in the midst of the present unprecedented crisis, inviting his readers to a more deeply spiritual reflection on “the signs of the times.”

The most obvious “sign,” and the central focus of the book’s investigation, is the fact of the enduring presence of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI at the heart of the Vatican and the Church. Since his resignation on February 28, 2013, “Joseph Ratzinger has remained in the ‘enclosure of Peter’ [the Vatican], he still signs his name Benedict XVI, he calls himself ‘Pope Emeritus,’ he still uses the papal heraldic insignia and he continues to dress as pope” (p. 83). In contrast to past popes who resigned, Benedict has not chosen to leave the Vatican or to return to the state of a cardinal or bishop. Rather, he has done something unexpected (above and beyond the extraordinarily unexpected act of resignation), resigning without fully resigning, what Socci calls a “relative” resignation: “It is evident that, although he made a relative resignation of the papacy (but of what sort?), he has intended to remain as pope, although purely in an enigmatic way and unofficial form, which has not been explained (at least not until a certain [future] date)” (p. 82).

From the outset, it will be important to head off all the outcries of “Preposterous!” and “Absurd!” that seem to be greeting Socci’s work from many corners of the Church by clearly specifying what Socci is not saying. He is not saying “Benedict did not really resign”; he is not saying “Benedict was coerced into resigning, therefore it doesn’t count”; he is not saying “Francis is not really the pope.” Rather, he is saying that there is something unprecedented and mysterious going on in the Church in which the Holy Spirit is at work, something nobody yet fully understands, and which calls for silent reflection and prayer as a more effective response to the battle going on in the Church and the world than raised voices and critical judgment. The first one giving the example of such a prayerful response is Benedict XVI himself, who has freely chosen (perhaps directed to do so, Socci wonders, by God himself?) to respond to the crisis by offering himself in prayer and intercession for the Church and for the world.

The Origin of the Drama

In Part One of Il Segreto, “The Mystical, Economic, and Political Origin of the Drama,” Socci meticulously docuмents the facts of the present situation in the Church, in which he observes that, since 2005, there have de facto been two parties struggling for control: those favoring Ratzinger and those favoring Bergoglio. These two parties may be broadly defined as those favoring a revolution in the Church (the party of Bergoglio) and those who oppose such a revolution by calling for fidelity to the Tradition of the Church (the party of Ratzinger). Far from being limited to an intra-Church struggle, Socci observes that there is a movement of “neo-capitalist globalization that is ideologically anti-Catholic” seeking to dominate the entire world and that it is this anti-Catholic ideological movement that has actively worked to undermine the Church from within by seeking and obtaining the ascendance of Jorge Bergoglio to the papal throne. This “politically correct” ideology, says Socci, was imposed on the world at a new level under “the presidency of Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton,” seeking “the planetary dominance of the United States and of financial globalization,” and one of the greatest obstacles to this worldwide agenda was the pontificate of Benedict XVI (p. 20). Benedict, who had worked for decades as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith resisting the advance of Modernism within the Catholic Church, became as pope “a great sign of contradiction with respect to the mainstream, the media, and the designs of worldly powers who were aiming at a true and proper ‘normalization’ of the Catholic Church, by means of what they called an ‘opening to modernity,’ that is, a Protestantization, which would sweep away the fundamental connotations [of Catholicism]” (p. 22-23). Socci maintains that Benedict was aware of the enormity of this global and ecclesial struggle from the moment of his election, and he sought to help the Christian people become aware of it by placing these extraordinary and surprising words in the midst of his homily at his solemn enthronement as pope on April 24, 2005: “Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves” (p. 25).

Socci advances the thesis that these wolves were and are far more than hostile elements within the Church, but also include geopolitical elements seeking the political ascendance of Islam and also the marginalization of Russia. Benedict got in the way of both of these agendas because of his willingness to challenge Islam to embrace a dialogue based on reason that would cause it to renounce violence (recall his 2006 Regensburg speech) and also his ecuмenical overtures to the Russian Orthodox Church. The “wolves” of globalization sought to stir up a revolution within the Church analogous to that of the “Arab spring” in the Muslim world. Just as the United States government actively sought regime change in other nations to advance its political agenda, so the Obama-Clinton alliance worked in coordination with financier George Soros to seek to “change the priorities of the Catholic Church.” Socci also docuмents other elements that sought the election of Bergoglio as pope, who upon his election as Pope Francis embraced an agenda fully in accord with the “politically correct” agenda of Obama-United Nations globalization: “catastrophic environmentalism (with pollution and global warming replacing the notions of sin and original sin), ideological immigrationism (replacing the new commandment), the embrace of Islam and pro-Protestant ecuмenism, the obscurance of doctrine and attacking the sacraments, the abandonment of non-negotiable principles, and a ‘merciful’ opening to new sɛҳuąƖ practices and new forms of ‘marital’ union” (p. 75). It would be difficult to find a more succinct summary and explanation of the agenda of the Francis pontificate than this list given by Socci, complete with geopolitical context.

The Mystery and Paradox of the “Pope Emeritus”

Part Two of Il Segreto is called “That Which Is Not Understood: Benedict Is Pope Forever.” Socci introduces the section with a quotation from the Italian author Gianni Baget Bozzo’s 2001 book L’Anticristo: “The history of the Church is full of states of exception,” along with a quote from St. Ignatius of Antioch’s letter to the Ephesians, which Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI used in his preface to Cardinal Robert Sarah’s 2017 book The Power of Silence: “It is better to remain in silence and be, than to speak and not be.” It is evident that Socci finds these words corresponding, respectively, to Benedict and Francis.

Socci analyzes Benedict’s statements in February 2013 prior to his resignation and notes that Benedict clearly “with full liberty” intended that there would be “a conclave to elect a new Supreme Pontiff,” and yet, at the same time, he declared, “I want to serve the Holy Church of God with all my heart, with a life dedicated to prayer” (p. 90-91). He further specified on February 27, 2013, that his “yes” in accepting his election as pope was and is irrevocable: “The ‘always’ is also a ‘forever’ – there can no longer be a return to the private sphere. My decision to resign the active exercise of the ministry does not revoke this.” Benedict also declared: “I have taken this step with full awareness of its gravity and even its novelty” (p. 104). What is this novelty? According to the canonist Stefano Violi, whom Socci cites, it is “the limited resignation of the active exercise of the munus” of the Roman pontiff (p. 108.) This entirely new action by Benedict – which makes his pontificate, in the controversial words of Archbishop Georg Gänswein, a “pontificate of exception” – was necessitated by the emergence of an entirely new situation in the life of the Church. The present crisis – unprecedented in all of Church history – has called for an unprecedented response. Benedict’s “choice to become ‘pope emeritus’ represents something enormous and contains a ‘secret’ of colossal importance for the Church” (p. 111). There is clearly, in Socci’s analysis, something that Pope Benedict is holding back and not saying, “a true and personal call from God,” “a mystery which he guards” of which at the present time he can say no more (p. 131). Socci proposes that this “secret of Benedict XVI” is “exquisitely spiritual,” rooted in wisdom “according to God” which the present world – and also the present Church – cannot understand.

Socci observes the many ways that Benedict’s present life as pope emeritus is bearing great fruit for the Church during the “Bergoglian epoch.” First and foremost are the rich texts of his papal Magisterium, which remain a guiding light for the Church because they are in union with the unbroken Tradition of the perennial Magisterium. There is also his unceasing prayer for the Church, offered within the “enclosure of Peter.” But Socci further avers that the restrained silence of the pope emeritus has done far more to prevent the Bergoglian Revolution from doing all that it would like to than most people yet realize. Socci likens Benedict to the figure of Christ silent before Dostoyevsky’s Grand Inquisitor, saying “the same precious silence has thus far averted the most serious doctrinal splits” from taking place within the Church, because as long as Benedict is alive, the Bergoglian revolutionaries know that one word of condemnation from the pope emeritus could delegitimize Francis in the eyes of much of the Church (p. 152). Benedict has chosen not to abandon the flock to the wolves, but rather to resist the wolves with the logic of the Gospel, with “the weakness of God” that is “stronger than human strength” (1 Cor. 1:25), aware that this is a historical moment when, as he observed at Fatima in 2010, “the greatest persecution of the Church does not come from her external enemies, but is born from sin within the Church” (p. 166).

The Connection to Fatima

Socci concludes his work with Part Three, entitled “Fatima and the Last Pope.” He draws on his prior extensive study of the message of Fatima, seeing it as a key to understanding the present moment in the Church, and reminding his readers that the message of Fatima emphasized the strong link between the intercession of the Mother of God and the protection of the pope. At the center of the vision of Fatima, there are two persons: “the ‘bishop dressed in white’ and an old pope,” and Socci ponders whether perhaps this vision could refer to the present situation, noting that on May 21, 2017, while visiting Fatima, Pope Francis called himself “the bishop dressed in white.” Socci sees in Benedict a figure similar to the pope in the children’s vision: “half tremulous, with faltering steps, afflicted with pain and sorrow, crossing a large, half-ruined city” (p. 182). Socci undertakes a detailed examination of overlooked words of the children of Fatima, stating that the Blessed Virgin told them that if humanity did not do penance and convert, what would happen was “the end of the world” (p. 195). Sister Lucia declared in an interview in 1957 that “Russia will be the instrument chosen by God to punish the whole world, if we do not first obtain the conversion of that wretched nation” (p. 198 ). Implicit in Socci’s analysis and reflection is the sense that the outcome of the present crisis is of the utmost importance for the fate not only of the entire Church, but also of the entire world.

Socci’s final observation is that the medieval “Prophecy of Malachy,” which proposed to give a mysterious title to each future pope, ends with Benedict XVI. After this pope, it mysteriously says that there follows “the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church” and the figure of “Peter the Roman.” When asked in 2016 whether this prophecy could mean he is “the last one to represent the figure of the pope as we have known him up until now,” Benedict mysteriously replied, “Tutto può essere [Everything can be].” Further asked if this means he would be seen as the last pope of the old world or the first pope of the new world, Benedict replied, “I would say both. I do not belong anymore to the old world, but the new one in reality has not yet begun” (p. 213). Socci understands these astonishing comments to mean that both the world and the Church are on the cusp of epochal upheavals, inviting his readers to further reflection on the various prophecies in Scripture of the destruction of the Temple and on paragraphs 675-677 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding the final trial of the Church.

Socci writes with an engaging and dramatic style, inviting the reader to understand that something far greater than has yet been understood is at work in the life of the Church and in human history. He offers a thoughtful proposal and an invitation to pray and reflect and ponder, not certainty or legal explanations. This book, with its meticulous journalistic analysis and spiritual reflection, offers hope to a discouraged Church and an invitation to prayerfully believe that perhaps more good is at work in a hidden way than the obvious evil that currently is so active within the Church and on the global stage.

Socci offers his work as a gift of love for the Church, broken and battered, to reflect upon and ponder. “It is not power which redeems,” said Pope Benedict in his inaugural address, “but love.” It is this same love that Socci says Benedict is daily offering to the Church by his unprecedented and heroic, albeit widely misunderstood witness: “He is the great sentinel of God of our time, and it is he who has raised a great wall of defense for all of us in the time of the mysterium iniquitatis” (p. 189). May this book inspire many to pray ever more incessantly and fervently for and with our Holy Father emeritus, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.

https://onepeterfive.com/in-new-book-antonio-socci-speculates-on-the-secret-of-benedict-xvi/

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: trad123 on December 20, 2018, 09:15:05 PM

Trading one heretic for another, what's the point?

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Prayerful on December 22, 2018, 06:16:15 PM

Quote from: trad123 on December 20, 2018, 09:15:05 PM

Trading one heretic for another, what's the point?

Things like Jєωs not needing conversion or parts of the Gospel, particularly parts in Matthew related to the trial of Our Saviour lacking authenticity, do certainly suggest that Ratzinger is deeply prone to holding expressing erroneous positions condemned before the age of doubt. Not being as bad as Bergoglio isn't good enough. Jєωs not needing conversion or selectively denying parts of the Gospels suggest a man of V2, not a strongly Catholic spirit.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on December 22, 2018, 09:07:53 PM

Ratzo is complicit in the lie and coverup of the false 2000 "3rd Secret" revealed to the public by anti-pope Karol Wojtyla.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on December 26, 2018, 06:16:04 PM

Fr. David R. Belland - April 9, 2017

"The new psychology so prominent today seems to have been unwittingly absorbed by society today, even by traditional Catholics. The idea of conversion appears to be totally abandoned. the avant-garde AA has been one of the culprits convincing the poor alcoholics that they have a "sickness" that can't be cured and by means of transferring dependency on the bottle to dependency on the group actually keeps them "sick". But practically for all modern psychology there is no sin (indeed no such thing as a soul even), only sickness, and that as long as sin (of which a large portion of all the psychosis and neurosis being but the symptoms) is not treated properly, that field is perpetuating the "sickness" and the "patient" rather the penitent keeps coming back to increase the psychologist's or psychiatrist's bank account--the poor patient comes to believe he can't be cured.

And so goes society. Hence, Benedict, because he was a liberal can't be cured; he's always going to be a liberal. But anyone who has a conscience, while not involved with the B'ni B'rith (Cardinal Bea among others), Masons, Communism or some other secret society, cult, Lobby or Mafia, and is exposed to the 3rd Secret of Fatima IS going to be converted. Fr. Malachi Martin and Cardinal Luciani (the future Pope John Paul I) are just two examples of those who were directly acquainted with the 3rd Secret and converted; perhaps even John Paul II to a certain extent, for example, in his effort to consecrate Russia.

I challenge anyone, therefore, to prove that his knowledge of the 3rd Secret of Fatima did not change Benedict. He freed up the Old Mass; had the humility to admit that it had never been forbidden; lifted the excommunications of the SSPX; changed the vernacular editions of the Consecration of the Chalice to the proper wording ("for you and for many") and many other things he would not have done back in the '60's and '70's; he went against the Party Line of Sodano and Bertone concerning the Fatima Message.

Furthermore, no one can make the claim that they know more about what is going on in the Church than Benedict--indeed he has more first hand knowledge in his little finger than everyone in the streets or on the internet! I exaggerate a bit, of course, but he does know what is going on. And going around publicly proclaiming the past liberalism of Joseph Ratzinger is still present today, even by insinuation if not by direct accusation, is tantamount to calumny, if one cannot prove what he says--a most serious sin and a grave injustice, especially when one takes into consideration the honor due to Benedict.

And only when one knows all the facts, all the circuмstances and details of a situation can one make a proper decision concerning that situation. Lets face it, the work of the Devil HAS infiltrated the Church (Our Lady at Akita) and unless one understands how Satan works, and I mean has an in depth understanding of his tactics, he will never know how to handle the situation. And I can tell you that one man, even if he is Pope, will not be able to "clean up" the Church as it is today; it will have to be by a Divine intervention, such that there is a division within the Church so that the faithful Cardinals and Bishops can make the Consecration of Russia according to Our Lady's wishes--it's the only way. And under Francis, since it looks as if there is not going to be an effort to disinherit him, with all the Cardinals he's appointed it will be his modernist cohorts that will win any Papal election; the Consecration will NEVER be made under those circuмstances! Let's face the FACTS.

I think it is time we start divesting ourselves of the cultural psychological brainwashing we've been subjected to for the last 60 years.

In the meantime we must be faithful to the Holy Rosary and Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the last two remedies for us, as Sr. Lucia told Fr. Fuentes."

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: 2Vermont on December 26, 2018, 06:30:41 PM

 :sleep:

More apologetics for Bennie.  Wake me up when he condemns Vatican 2.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Ladislaus on December 26, 2018, 08:13:41 PM

Quote from: 2Vermont on December 26, 2018, 06:30:41 PM

:sleep:

More apologetics for Bennie.  Wake me up when he condemns Vatican 2.

Get back to me when he recants all the heresies he's professed.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on January 01, 2019, 12:25:12 AM

I noticed that trad123, 2Vermont and Ladislaus each received a downvote for their "anti-Benedict" comments. For the record, they didn't come from me. But I find it interesting that someone (more than one?) went out of their way to downvote similarly made comments, yet offered no defense of why they did.

I guess what I might be wondering is, do I mysteriously have someone on "my side"?   ;)

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on January 05, 2019, 07:32:28 AM

 
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Veri Catholici‏  (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)
Where Catholic Family News goes insane, by ignoring entirely canon 332 §2 and claiming a faux Conclave makes an invalid resignation valid, demands obedience to AntiPope

************

Scroll through the rest of the Twitter thread here:
https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1081482900195995649

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on January 05, 2019, 11:40:34 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/569880965690830848/7gH7-xzS_bigger.png)Veri Catholici‏  (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)

(https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)

The SSPX desire to be reconciled by Bergoglio, in turn necessitates that the SSPX herd all Catholics into their fold, support the validity of Bergoglio as pope (both in his election and in B16 resignation) and deny any recourse against Public Heretics & nix the PCED



(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/569880965690830848/7gH7-xzS_bigger.png)Veri Catholici‏ 
(https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)

Accordingly orders have come down to Catholic Family News, Adelante del la Fede and One Peter Five. We await the other Trad organs to likewise comply. We at Veri Catholici denounce all this as a fraud and damnation to souls!

https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1081567401152602113

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on January 08, 2019, 03:27:48 PM

https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2019/01/08/where-robert-de-mattei-is-wrong/


Where Robert de Mattei is wrong
 

Jan8 (https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2019/01/08/where-robert-de-mattei-is-wrong/)

byThe Editor (https://fromrome.wordpress.com/author/marcianusaristides/)

This week, Catholic Family News, the traditional private Catholic Newspaper founded by the late John Vennari, publishes an article entitled, “Socci’s Thesis Falls Short: Review of the Secret of Benedict XVI (https://www.catholicfamilynews.org/blog/2019/1/4/soccis-thesis-falls-short-review-of-the-secret-of-benedict-xvi)“, an English translation of some article or talk, the Italian title of which they do not report on line. The translator is a Giuseppe Pelligrino.

The author, Dr. Roberto de Mattei, I have long admired, and have had the occasion to meet in person. His foundation, the Lepanto Foundation does much good work, and thus I bear him no animus. Nay, if the author of that article was someone unknown or not influential at Rome, I would probably have paid it no attention at all.

Moreover, the purpose of this present article is not to defend Socci’s book.  Rather it is to address the grave errors contained in De Mattei’s article, which on account of his personal reputation are magnified in the minds of many, and thus represent a danger to souls.

Here, then, I will discuss the errors briefly in the order they appear in that English translation by Signor Pellegrino.

The first error of which is that De Mattei sustains that the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI is valid, because there has been a peaceful and universal acceptance of the election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

I will put aside the fact that several recent polls (not scientific) have shown that as much as 70% of Catholics reject Bergoglio as pope, because there is a more serious error to address, than disputing whether there is in fact a peaceful and universal acceptance of Bergoglio’s election.

Signor De Mattei is learned enough to own a copy of the Code of Canon Law. So I humbly suggest he read Canon 359 and consider publicly withdrawing his assertion that a peaceful and universal acceptance of an apparent papal election establishes it to be held as valid by Catholics.  For, that canon reads in Latin (http://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/latin/docuмents/cic_liberII_lt.html#SECTIO_I):

Can. 359 — Sede Apostolica vacante, Cardinalium Collegium ea tantum in Ecclesia gaudet potestate, quae in peculiari lege eidem tribuitur.

When translated into English — here I give my own translation — that canon says:

Canon 359 — When the Apostolic See is vacant, the College of Cardinals only enjoys that power in the Church, which is granted to it in particular law.

This is the reference to the power of the College to elect the Pope.  So, according to Canon 359, when there is no pope, the Cardinals have the authority to elect a pope.

Now, if the resignation of a pope is in doubt, then obviously, there is a doubt whether the Apostolic See is vacant, and therefore the Cardinals have doubtful authority. And when a resignation of a pope has not taken place, or a pope is not dead, the Apostolic See is not vacant, and therefore the Cardinals have NO power to elect another.

So, it should be obvious then, that “the peaceful and universal acceptance of the election of a pope by a College of Cardinals” which HAS NO POWER to elect a pope, because the See is NOT vacant, DOES NOT MAKE THE ELECTION VALID.

Second, De Mattei claims this principal regarding the acceptance of the election of a pope on the basis of commonly held opinion. But if he has studied Canon Law, he should know that Canon 17 does not permit common theological or canonical opinions to be interpretative guides to reading any canon, when the text of the canon expressly forbids an act to take place by denying the body which acts the power to act. For in such a case the mind of the Legislator takes precedence.

Third, what is worse, De Mattei then cites the Vatican translation of Canon 332 §2, where he admits that it denies that a papal resignation is valid on the grounds that anyone accepts it (in its final condition)! How that squares with the theory of peaceful and universal acceptance is impossible to imagine, since it undermines the validity of its application to the case of a disputed resignation. It does so, because obviously a Conclave called during the life of a pope who has not resigned, is called either because that College knows he has not and does intend to elect an Anti-Pope, and then it does not matter who accepts him, his election is invalid; or in the case the College opines that a resignation is valid, and they proceed to act as if there is no pope. But as canon 332 §2 declares, that they think it is valid, does not make it valid. Therefore, even if they think it is valid, when it is not valid, they cannot appeal to Canon 332 §2 to claim the authority in Canon 359 to lawfully elect another. Rather, they must follow Canon 17 and apply it. And so, whether the subsequent election be accepted or not, in the case of elections which follow papal resignations, the principal cited by De Mattei is improperly cited at best because it pertains to another case.

Finally, De Mattei is, in my opinion, intellectually dishonest, when he says that Violi’s canonical study of Pope Benedict’s act of Feb 11, 2013 contributes to the confusion. Because that study, which is cited in the preface of the Disputed Question, published here in November (https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2018/11/19/the-validity-of-pope-benedict-vxis-resignation-must-be-questioned/), is a very scholarly well thought out and precise study without any animus or polemic, which gives great clarity to the canonical signification of that papal act. To say that it causes confusion therefore is not based on Violi’s work, but rather seemingly on a desire to advance his own opinion by insulting a scholar who shows greater knowledge of Canon Law than himself.

As for Archbishop Ganswein’s discourse at the Gregorian University, at first glance it does seem to be confusing. But when you research, as Ann Barnhardt has done, what opinions regarding the mutability of the Papacy were being discussed at Tubingen, when Fr. Joseph Ratzinger was a professor of Theology there, then you would rather say its revealing, not confusing at all.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 04:56:12 PM

Benedict resigned.  When it was questioned whether he did this of his own free will he confirmed he did and that speculation about it was silly.

What better evidence can you have than the man's own testimony?

If he resigns, then he is not the Pope.  A new conclave was called which was ever bit as canonically proper as B16's.



For years, Trads refused to believe JP2 was a right baddun and used to say he was "a prisoner in the Vatican".  I remember the early 1980s and people in the tea room defending JP2 until they couldn't do it anymore.  What used to be the standard Trad excuse, in the wishful hope that JP2 was really a good Pope trapped by an evil bureaucracy turned into the realistic observation that he was a heretic and as bad as any of them.

Having been though YEARS AND YEARS of observing wishful thinking I am tend to apply Occam's Razor wherever I can.  It is nearly ALWAYS correct.

No doubt....no benefit of the doubt.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 08, 2019, 11:01:23 PM

Quote from: ggreg on January 08, 2019, 04:56:12 PM

Benedict resigned.  When it was questioned whether he did this of his own free will he confirmed he did and that speculation about it was silly.

What better evidence can you have than the man's own testimony?

If he resigns, then he is not the Pope.  A new conclave was called which was ever bit as canonically proper as B16's.

Start at 6:54. According to this analysis, Benedict XVI's resignation isn't legal, and it's not because he was under duress as a main reason. I'm not saying Benedict XVI is a real pope (there's been anti-popes since John XXIII all the way up to Frank), but for argument sake, if Benedict XVI is a legitimate Pontiff, then he's still the pope and his "resignation" is null and void as detailed in the video, and, again, it's not because the main reason was he was under duress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkadmPUJgOw

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: ggreg on January 09, 2019, 08:35:57 AM

Dear Brothers,

I have convoked you to this Consistory, not only for the three canonizations, but also to communicate to you a decision of great importance for the life of the Church. After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry. I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering. However, in today’s world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the barque of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me. For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.

Dear Brothers, I thank you most sincerely for all the love and work with which you have supported me in my ministry and I ask pardon for all my defects.  And now, let us entrust the Holy Church to the care of Our Supreme Pastor, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and implore his holy Mother Mary, so that she may assist the Cardinal Fathers with her maternal solicitude, in electing a new Supreme Pontiff. With regard to myself, I wish to also devotedly serve the Holy Church of God in the future through a life dedicated to prayer.

From the Vatican, 10 February 2013

For 40 years Trads have complained about ambigous docuмents from the Vatican.

Finally, Ratzinger says and then reconfirms for clarity, something that even a 12 year old could read and understand, and we look for hidden meaning because we don't like the next Pope?

Answer this question and please TRY be honest.  If a more conservative Cardinal had been elected and was restoring Tradition would a single traditionalist in the world question the validity of Ratzinger's resignation? Would they?

If a liberal made the same arguments that the new conservative Pope Pius XIII was not really Pope, would a single Traditionalist give it the time of day?

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 09, 2019, 04:18:33 PM

Quote from: ggreg on January 09, 2019, 08:35:57 AM

For 40 years Trads have complained about ambigous docuмents from the Vatican.

Finally, Ratzinger says and then reconfirms for clarity, something that even a 12 year old could read and understand, and we look for hidden meaning because we don't like the next Pope?

Answer this question and please TRY be honest.  If a more conservative Cardinal had been elected and was restoring Tradition would a single traditionalist in the world question the validity of Ratzinger's resignation? Would they?

If a liberal made the same arguments that the new conservative Pope Pius XIII was not really Pope, would a single Traditionalist give it the time of day?

I don't have a dog in the fight. Both Ratzo and Bergo are anti-popes. In fact, Ratzo was more dangerous because he convinced so many people that he was a "conservative Catholic". Conversely, Bergo's flagrant liberalism, worldliness, heresies/apostasy in casual speech to others, and hostility to Catholicism, has awakened Novus Ordoites to jump ship from the counterfeit church to real Holy Tradition.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: ggreg on January 10, 2019, 03:29:12 AM

I agree.  I really don't see what difference it makes.  Neither are consistent with Catholicism that ancestors would recognise.

Pope Francis has made conservative NOs start to wake up and smell the coffee.

I wonder when each of them will die.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Stubborn on January 10, 2019, 05:37:05 AM

Quote from: ggreg on January 09, 2019, 08:35:57 AM

Answer this question and please TRY be honest.  If a more conservative Cardinal had been elected and was restoring Tradition would a single traditionalist in the world question the validity of Ratzinger's resignation? Would they?

If a liberal made the same arguments that the new conservative Pope Pius XIII was not really Pope, would a single Traditionalist give it the time of day?

Of course people would still question a conservative's resignation, they might even have a [better] case depending on how you look at it. I mean at least then, the crooks would have a reason to nix a pope who was actually out to restore the faith.

BTW, welcome back!

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on January 10, 2019, 10:29:23 PM

ggreg, are you even interested in the truth(?), because you seem to be avoiding the facts or haven't really taken the time to study them (see "Juridical Validity" thread).

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: ggreg on January 12, 2019, 01:50:05 AM

What facts?

Please make sure they are facts so I don't waste time investigating speculations.

Just quickly list facts below and I will spend as long as necessary to investigate them fully.

But make certain they are facts.

fact
/fakt/
noun

• a thing that is known or proved to be true.
  "the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas"
  

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: ggreg on January 12, 2019, 02:02:59 AM

The man you think is Pope has not only resigned but confirmed his resignation and said speculation  about it is absurd.

Yet you claim he is still Pope.

Clearly he is not THAT ill or insane because he has lasted another 6 years in retirement.  Six years.

That strongly suggests to me that he has no will to be Pope and his will to resign in 2013 was free.  It is hard to see what he would need to do to convince those who don't believe his resignation is valid.

There are people on this forum who think multiple space agencies around the world and hundreds of astronauts are covering up the fact that the world is flat.  So, if it is any consolation to you, I think it is more likely that B16 is still Pope than that the world is flat.

Probability of 0.01 as opposed to probability of 0.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on January 12, 2019, 08:55:27 PM

ggreg - Why should I waste MY time repeating what has already been posted (in the thread you seem to want to avoid, where it has been PROVEN that Benedict's resignation is invalid, including the objections you stated above)? I read that you said you aren't going to be on this forum for too long, since you will be busy with a project, so perhaps you really don't have the time to "investigate" the necessary arguments put forth. And I certainly am not interested in twisting anyone's arm (nor in need of "consolation"), especially when it appears the person already has their mind made up from the get-go.

However, for anyone who really IS interested in the truth, I highly recommend all posts in the "Juridical Validity" thread from the "From Rome" site (https://fromrome.wordpress.com/) and also the "Veri Catholici" Twitter acct. (https://twitter.com/vericatholici?lang=en). If you haven't yet been convinced of their arguments, then feel free to present your objections to them.  

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: 2Vermont on January 13, 2019, 07:55:46 AM

nottambula:  When Bennie (finally) dies, will the Chair be vacant?

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: ggreg on January 13, 2019, 03:08:51 PM

I don't believe it is proven. 

You just want it to be. 

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on January 14, 2019, 06:32:30 AM

Quote from: 2Vermont on January 13, 2019, 07:55:46 AM

nottambula:  When Bennie (finally) dies, will the Chair be vacant?

The obvious answer is yes, and according to prophecies, likely for two years or more while all hell is breaking loose with the 'renegade hierarchy' (the False Prophet and cohorts?) running the One World Religion a.k.a "false church of darkness" prophesied by Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich. Then we all wait for the arrival of the "Holy Pope" (whoever has survived the chastisements, anyway).

But I am curious why the sedes are so curious as to what we "Resignationists" will believe once Benedict dies (more like killed in exile, if anyone is interested in praying for him), because that question constantly gets asked, and so... what is the deal? It's like I almost get a sense you guys don't think we have a right to also claim a vacant Chair if it doesn't have the same meaning as the one the sedes have held to. Is this some exclusive club or something?  ;) 

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: 2Vermont on January 14, 2019, 04:28:40 PM

Quote from: nottambula on January 14, 2019, 06:32:30 AM

The obvious answer is yes, and according to prophecies, likely for two years or more while all hell is breaking loose with the 'renegade hierarchy' (the False Prophet and cohorts?) running the One World Religion a.k.a "false church of darkness" prophesied by Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich. Then we all wait for the arrival of the "Holy Pope" (whoever has survived the chastisements, anyway).

But I am curious why the sedes are so curious as to what we "Resignationists" will believe once Benedict dies (more like killed in exile, if anyone is interested in praying for him), because that question constantly gets asked, and so... what is the deal? It's like I almost get a sense you guys don't think we have a right to also claim a vacant Chair if it doesn't have the same meaning as the one the sedes have held to. Is this some exclusive club or something?  ;)

I asked you that question because I wonder whether you would even consider the Chair vacant.  Or if you would then consider Bergoglio the true pope.  

And  :laugh1:  at "killed in exile" and "some exclusive club".  

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on May 25, 2019, 05:30:55 AM

Antonio Socci's book is available in English now.

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Benedict-XVI-Still-Pope/dp/1621384586/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Secret+of+Benedict+XVI%3A+Is+He+Still+the+Pope%3F&qid=1558780340&s=books&sr=1-1 (https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Benedict-XVI-Still-Pope/dp/1621384586/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Secret+of+Benedict+XVI%3A+Is+He+Still+the+Pope%3F&qid=1558780340&s=books&sr=1-1)


The Secret of Benedict XVI: Is He Still the Pope?

According to many informed observers, the Church is in the midst of the most serious crisis it has ever undergone. More and more questions keep arising about what really happened in 2013 with the surprising "resignation" of Benedict XVI, his decision to remain on as "pope emeritus," and thus the presence of two popes living side-by-side. Why had the papacy of Benedict XVI become a sign of contradiction? What was happening on the geopolitical level? Who supported a "revolution" within the Catholic Church? Did, in fact, Pope Benedict truly resign?

These are the questions Antonio Socci tries to answer, in what can only be described as an exciting "thriller," closely scrutinizing the facts, along with the actions and words of Benedict XVI over the past six years, and concluding that he remains pope, a fact that has as-yet-unexplored consequences. In this compelling and well-docuмented work, Socci investigates the mysterious mission to which Benedict XVI has felt called in service of the Church and the world. The author hypothesizes that supernatural events may lie at the root of Benedict's choice. In this vein, the reader is directed to an ancient prophecy in need of deciphering in relation to Benedict XVI, as well as a new, unpublished account of words spoken by the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima, which concern not only the Church but the whole world.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41GF4yIRgBL._SX321_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on May 25, 2019, 06:29:40 AM

Quote from: nottambula on January 14, 2019, 06:32:30 AM

The obvious answer is yes, and according to prophecies, likely for two years or more while all hell is breaking loose with the 'renegade hierarchy' (the False Prophet and cohorts?) running the One World Religion a.k.a "false church of darkness" prophesied by Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich. Then we all wait for the arrival of the "Holy Pope" (whoever has survived the chastisements, anyway).

But I am curious why the sedes are so curious as to what we "Resignationists" will believe once Benedict dies (more like killed in exile, if anyone is interested in praying for him), because that question constantly gets asked, and so... what is the deal? It's like I almost get a sense you guys don't think we have a right to also claim a vacant Chair if it doesn't have the same meaning as the one the sedes have held to. Is this some exclusive club or something?  ;)

The funny part about this is the fact that you think that “suit and tie” Ratzinger is some bastion of orthodoxy. 

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: 2Vermont on May 25, 2019, 08:32:32 AM

Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 25, 2019, 06:29:40 AM

The funny part about this is the fact that you think that “suit and tie” Ratzinger is some bastion of orthodoxy.

Seriously.   :laugh1:

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on May 25, 2019, 11:20:15 PM

^^ Downvotes didn't come from me. I've only used that feature twice (don't plan to again), and the first time I regretted it because it was impulsive of me.

2Vermont - Laugh all you want. You say "anything but sedevacantism"; I say anything but the uncomfortable, if not inconvenient, truth that Benedict XVI does indeed remain our one and only Sovereign Pontiff (and very likely the last one for this Age). It's no secret that virtually all R&Rs (certainly the sedes) want nothing to do with him. We know conversion is totally out of the realm for a Pope who has read the Third Secret, right?

Quote from: Fr. David Belland

In my Thesis I have tried to impress upon readers the direct connection between the message of Fatima, more specifically the Third Secret, and Benedict's renunciation. Because of the liberalism of his early years, unfortunately many, including ones who supported and applauded him for what he had done during the active part of his Pontificate, now not only preclude any connection but actually disparage and calumniate him; I have also run into those who border on hatred of him.

Also, waiting around for Benedict to die gives no one any excuse to be indifferent towards this. We will be judged for refusing to investigate (or outright dismissing) the objective facts presented on the invalidity of Pope Benedict's resignation. And that these doubts were being raised immediately upon his announcement and continue to this day...

Quote

...doubts as to the validity of the act of resignation were raised immediately upon the news being made known. Flavien Blanchon, a French journalist working at Rome, writing only 2 days afterwards, cited an eminent Latin scholar (https://fr.novopress.info/132011/un-acte-nul-etranges-fautes-de-latin-dans-la-renonciation-de-benoit-xvi/) who pointed out errors in the text of abdication, and who noted that the presence of any error, according to canonical tradition, was held to be a sign of lack of deliberation, rendering the act null and void. These errors in the Latin were also reported by Luciano Canfora (http://www.chiesaepostconcilio.eu/dimissioni/errori-latino.htm), Corriere della Serra, Feb. 12, 2013, p. 17.

More importantly, the famous Italian Philosopher, Prof. Enrico Radaelli wrote a supplication to Pope Benedict XVI, on Feb. 18, begging him to withdraw the resignation, because, inasmuch as it was done in a secular fashion, it would result in the consequent election of an Anti-Pope. His article was entitled: Perché Papa Ratzinger-Benedetto XVI dovrebbe ritirare le sue dimissioni: non è ancora tempo per un nuovo papa, perché sarebbe quello di un Anti-Papa. (Link to text with commentary, here (https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2019/04/03/i-owe-an-apology-to-professor-radaelli/)).

https://www.ppbxvi.org/quaestio-English.pdf (https://www.ppbxvi.org/quaestio-English.pdf)

https://www.ppbxvi.org/ (https://www.ppbxvi.org/)


...well, it is apparent that Catholics have had plenty of time to figure out which of the "two popes" is the true Pope (the situation today is not comparable to the time of St. Catherine and St. Vincent--the antipope wasn't a blaspheming, heretical non-Catholic), and to make their choice on whether to be a lover of lies or  lover of Truth.
https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2019/02/25/no-excuse-before-god-or-the-church/ (https://fromrome.wordpress.com/2019/02/25/no-excuse-before-god-or-the-church/)

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: 2Vermont on May 26, 2019, 06:58:06 AM

 :sleep:

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on May 29, 2019, 09:26:57 PM

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/05/29/bombshell-dr-peter-kwasniewski-most-respected-english-speaking-trad-theologian-and-liturgist-vigorously-acknowledges-pope-benedicts-resignation-is-highly-suspect-in-terms-of-validity/ (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/05/29/bombshell-dr-peter-kwasniewski-most-respected-english-speaking-trad-theologian-and-liturgist-vigorously-acknowledges-pope-benedicts-resignation-is-highly-suspect-in-terms-of-validity/)


BOMBSHELL: Dr. Peter Kwasniewski, most respected English-speaking Trad theologian and liturgist, vigorously acknowledges Pope Benedict’s resignation is highly suspect in terms of validity

Dr. Peter Kwasniewski has, apparently, come on-side.  I am not surprised in the least.  Dr. Kwasniewski is a genuinely GOOD MAN.  He is a husband and father, and one of the most charitable people I have ever met (he never says a bad word about ANYONE – something I wish I could claim of myself, but cannot).

I have met Dr. Kwasniewski twice over the years, and found him to be completely sincere, and detected not a WHIFF of elitism nor “liturgical fetishism” in him.  Dr. Kwasniewski is a married man with children, so, let the reader understand the point being made.  Both times that I saw him speak, years ago, it was obvious that he had what I often refer to as “a personal relationship with Jesus Christ”.  He loves Our Lord and His Holy Church, and the Liturgies of The Church (Mass/Divine Liturgy, Divine Office) because he loves Our Lord.  Full stop.

Given this, it is not surprising that Dr. Kwasniewski would, after reading the English translation of Antonio Socci’s book, “The Secret of Benedict XVI: Is He Still the Pope?” (https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Benedict-XVI-Still-Pope/dp/1621384586/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=antonio+socci&qid=1559149215&s=gateway&sr=8-1), published just a few days ago, instantly recognize the TRUTH, and be attracted to it, because, after all, the Truth is a Person, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  When you love Someone, you recognize Him when you see Him, and you go to Him, no matter what the earthly consequences.

I reprint here, in full, Dr. Kwasniewski’s Amazon.com review of Antonio Socci’s book “The Secret of Benedict XVI: Is He Still the Pope?”
Pray for Dr. Kwasniewski, as he will no doubt receive all kinds of blow-back over this.

Folks, the “Trad, Inc.” people who have launched a calumny campaign against me, admittedly being a person who has made myself a target over the years with the force of my rhetoric and willingness to do what the Prayer After Confession says and “avoid all evil company”, DARE NOT say ONE WORD against Dr. Kwasniewski.  If they do, may God Almighty verily have mercy on them, because that would be going just about as low as one could possibly go.

Dr. Kwasniewski’s Amazon.com review, in full, emphases mine:

Quote

(FIVE OUT OF FIVE STARS)

Ever been troubled by what looks like two Popes at the Vatican?

I read this book expecting to be a little skeptical of an author who would argue that Benedict XVI did not validly resign the papacy. After all, it sure looked as if he intended to do that in his famous speech of abdication, and the world seems to have accepted it as such.

Socci, however, persuaded me otherwise with his careful analysis of Benedict’s XVI’s various utterances on the subject (and there are a surprising number of them!), Archbishop Gaenswein’s speeches, and, above all, the interpretations of canon lawyers — none of them traditionalists, by the way — who have proved in detail that the resignation lacks several conditions for validity. The argument is not based on the St. Gallen Mafia, but on the inherent actions and statements of Benedict XVI and others, all publicly available. In other words, this is no “conspiracy theory” but a soberly argued case. Even those who think they have a watertight case in favor of validity should, out of intellectual honesty, grapple with what Socci presents here. If they can defeat his arguments, all the better for the defense of truth. If they cannot or will not, however, this would seem to indicate a moral or mental weakness.

That is not the only aspect of this book I would praise. I also find much food for thought and prayer in Socci’s speculations about the prophetic message of Fatima and his spiritual-theological interpretation of the unprecedented situation in the Catholic Church. While I find his interpretation of Benedict XVI’s motivations overly positive, I think the way he tries to place current events in a prophetic and specifically Marian context is extremely helpful.

In short: highly recommended.


(https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/BiP.jpg) (https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Benedict-XVI-Still-Pope/dp/1621384586/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=antonio+socci&qid=1559149215&s=gateway&sr=8-1)

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on May 29, 2019, 10:32:33 PM

Dr. Peter Kwasniewski must be feeling the pressure big time (especially since canon212.com (http://canon212.com/?fbclid=IwAR1zWzTgMsPK1lBALccXHDou6ZQ6UNHF32ef7qLcB7Dfnam5eshH1nqlrt4) has made this news the main headline today), because he has edited his review on Amazon.


Ever been troubled by what look like two Popes at the Vatican? (https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R25EVFUVXP3965/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1621384586)
May 28, 2019
Format: Paperback

I read this book expecting to be skeptical of an author who would argue that Benedict XVI did not validly or fully resign the papacy. After all, it sure looked as if he intended to do that in his famous speech of abdication, and the world seems to have accepted it as such.

Socci, however, gave me much to think about with his careful analysis of Benedict's XVI's utterances on the subject (and there are a surprising number of them!), Archbishop Gaenswein's speeches, and, above all, the interpretations of canon lawyers -- none of them traditionalists, by the way -- who argue that the resignation lacks several conditions for validity. The argument is not based so much on the machinations of the St. Gallen Mafia as on the inherent actions and statements of Benedict XVI and others, all publicly available. In other words, this is no "conspiracy theory" but a soberly argued case. There are certainly steps in the argument that I wonder about or find less than convincing, and the book raises quite as many question as it purports to resolve, yet the complete picture is nothing less than apocalyptic.

Even those who think they have a watertight case in favor of validity should, out of intellectual honesty, grapple with what Socci presents here. If they can defeat his arguments, all the better for the defense of truth. If they cannot or will not, however, this would seem to indicate a moral or mental weakness. I would be happy to see a refutation, but it has to go beyond the anodyne statement that "general acceptance of a pope is equivalent to the validity of a papacy." We are in uncharted waters, and we need to recognize that the safe and sound ecclesiology of the preconciliar period is being burst open in all sorts of ways.

I would like to add that I have not read anything else by Socci on the question of the Ratzinger/Bergoglio dilemma, and it seems to me that he does not come down clearly *in this book* on the question of whether, or in what sense, Francis is Pope. If anything, he seems to be agnostic and ambivalent, suggesting a kind of papal diarchy, even while recognizing that this makes little sense in a classical perspective. Without a doubt, he thinks that Benedict thinks that both Francis and Benedict are simultaneously the pope, albeit in a bifurcated manner. While I find Socci's interpretation of Benedict XVI's motivations overly positive (he adulates Ratzinger as much as he denigrates Bergoglio), the way he tries to place current events in a prophetic and specifically Marian context is extremely helpful.

A last note, due to the explosive nature of this subject: I still consider and acknowledge Pope Francis to be the Roman Pontiff, and pray for him as such. (Indeed, I could not have signed the Open Letter released on April 30, 2019, had I not thought he was the Pope!) Socci has not been able to budge this view of mine. But (I will repeat) Socci has brings into clear relief the bizarreness, irregularity, and incoherence of the current situation, and causes in the reader a salutary perplexity.

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Benedict-XVI-Still-Pope/dp/1621384586/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=antonio+socci+The+Secret+of+Benedict+XVI%3A+Is+He+Still+the+Pope%3F&qid=1559187122&s=gateway&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Benedict-XVI-Still-Pope/dp/1621384586/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=antonio+socci+The+Secret+of+Benedict+XVI%3A+Is+He+Still+the+Pope%3F&qid=1559187122&s=gateway&sr=8-1)

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on May 29, 2019, 10:38:12 PM

https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/05/30/intellectual-dishonesty-and-moral-weakness-in-the-age-of-antipope-bergoglio/ (https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/05/30/intellectual-dishonesty-and-moral-weakness-in-the-age-of-antipope-bergoglio/)



“Intellectual dishonesty” and “moral weakness” in the age of antipope Bergoglio

Posted onMAY 30, 2019 (https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/05/30/intellectual-dishonesty-and-moral-weakness-in-the-age-of-antipope-bergoglio/)

The two detestable behaviors noted in the headline were directly called out by Dr. Peter Kwasniewski in his review of Antonio Socci’s book, wherein the doctor declared that the evidence in the book PROVED that Benedict’s resignation was invalid. He lamented said behaviors in those who would lazily dismiss the evidence or shout down/calumniate those who have helped bring it to light.

After a few hours of his review going viral, the good doctor altered his review, and completely flip flopped on his assessment of the evidence. Suddenly, he is unconvinced, and he pledges his loyalty to “Pope Francis,” who is totally the Pope, obvi.

You can read the latest version of his review at Amazon, of course. But to answer those of you accusing me of slandering the doctor by willfully changing what he really wrote, I offer the original screen grab below, with the money phrase highlighted.

(https://nonvenipacem.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/screenshot-2019-05-29-at-19.36.03.png?w=702)

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on May 30, 2019, 01:54:34 AM

https://twitter.com/MahoundParadise/status/1133936226787123200 (https://twitter.com/MahoundParadise/status/1133936226787123200) 
(scroll to read through comments on this Twitter thread)


Mahound's Paradise‏  (https://twitter.com/MahoundParadise)


1) Dr. Peter Kwasniewski, whose character and scholarship I highly respect, has just made at least three sets of edits on his Amazon review of the recent @AntonioSocci1 (https://twitter.com/AntonioSocci1) book, progressively moving from quasi-endorsement of the "bennevacantist" thesis to explicitly repudiating it.


Mahound's Paradise‏  (https://twitter.com/MahoundParadise)

(https://twitter.com/MahoundParadise)2) I cannot believe that a man with such a clearly high calibre of writing skill could continue to express himself so imprecisely as to keep going back. He's obviously reacting to the continuing reaction. Why not just delete the thing and be done with it?


Mahound's Paradise‏  (https://twitter.com/MahoundParadise)

(https://twitter.com/MahoundParadise)3) Kwasniewski is no coward, and I have a feeling he has made more sacrifices for the truth than most. So why the BS now? He can't fool God as to what he really thinks. Why try to fool others? I'm so freaking tired of this sort of thing.


Non Veni Pacem‏  (https://twitter.com/nonvenipacem)

(https://twitter.com/nonvenipacem)It wasn’t a “quasi-endorsement.” He flatly stated that the evidence presented by Socci “proved in detail” that the resignation was invalid. That’s what he wrote, and it’s not “quasi” anything.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on May 30, 2019, 02:09:53 AM

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/05/30/called-it-wrongthink-will-not-be-tolerated/ (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/05/30/called-it-wrongthink-will-not-be-tolerated/)


Called it: Wrongthink will not be tolerated! (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/05/30/called-it-wrongthink-will-not-be-tolerated/)

In the post immediately below about Dr. Kwasniewski’s review of Antonio Socci’s book “The Secret of Benedict XVI: Is He Still the Pope?”, I said: (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/05/29/bombshell-dr-peter-kwasniewski-most-respected-english-speaking-trad-theologian-and-liturgist-vigorously-acknowledges-pope-benedicts-resignation-is-highly-suspect-in-terms-of-validity/)

“Pray for Dr. Kwasniewski, as he will no doubt receive all kinds of blow-back over this.”

I should have said, “Pray for him, that he not flee for fear of the wolves.”

Sure enough, after this post and others sent the review viral, Dr. Kwasniewski edited his review. Then he edited it again. Then he edited again. It appears the edits have stopped, and the review is now 180 degrees from where it began.

People are now being falsely accused of doctoring or manipulating the review.  (https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/05/30/intellectual-dishonesty-and-moral-weakness-in-the-age-of-antipope-bergoglio/)No, it was edited several times over a span of a few hours by Dr. K himself until the Wrongthink was purged. Everyone has screenshots, because frankly, this was not entirely unanticipated.

Well, perhaps this serves to prove a point about the pressure people are under who make their living, even tangentially, off the Church.

Anyway, Socci’s book is a very interesting read. Check it out.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: King Wenceslas on June 01, 2019, 05:22:41 PM

Wrote Jean Guitton (Pantheist and Bergsonian), friend of Giovanni Battista Montini, "Pius XII knew it, he himself said he was the 'last Pope,' the last link of a long chain. And yet in those years of the 1950's, the Church was thriving. But Pius XII knew an unprecedented crisis was in the making, 'in the very bosom of the Church,' as Pius X had already said. And that came about, in fact, with the election of John XXIII. Modernism exploded violently, in spite of Humanae Generis, issued by Pius XII in 1950. Jacques Maritain shared this view: "The modernism of the time of Pius X, compared with the modern neo-modernistic fever, was but a mere hay-fever." In fact, with Pope John XXIII the situation was reversed. The Progressives popped out from everywhere.

The last true (good?) Pope was Pius XII. But what do you do with John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI? Through them into the trash can says the sedevacantist along with the fake Catholic Church since October 1958. That leaves one with no visible Church since October 1958. What now?

What do you do with St. Malachy's prophecies? Through them out too! Even though Benedict XV was Religio depopulate or in English "Religion Depopulated (Catholics killing Catholics)" a pretty good prediction. Pius XII was Paſtor angelicus  " in English "Angelic Shepherd" another good prediction. Benedict XVI was Gloria oliuæ in English "The Glory of the Olive" or "The Glory of the Olive Trees" which Jesus gave his apocalyptic prophecy about the end of time from the Mount of Olives. A dang good track record since this was done either in the 12 century or the 16 century if you consider it a fraud.

Now comes "Peter the Roman" who feeds the sheep during the final persecution before the destruction of Rome and the return of Christ. If that is Francis that is some pretty foul smelling food he is feeding the sheep with. "Peter the Roman" has got to be Benedict XVI who sits in his old age in Rome (Vatican) and feeds the sheep by his prayers. There is no other way this makes sense. So Francis is allowed by God to take away the ungodly into ungodliness and depravity while God continues  to feed the sheep through the prayers of his true pastor (he is no Pius XII mind you). When the allotted time that is given to Francis to destroy the ungodly is up then Francis dies at the same time Rome is half destroyed by revolution and then Peter the Roman flees Rome while blessing the corpses. He then dies a cruel death in a foreign land.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: King Wenceslas on June 01, 2019, 05:43:35 PM

As John Paul II said, "Pope Emeritus, impossible." I believe he was speaking from spiritual knowledge given to him in his spiritual meditations.

Once a Pope, always a Pope. Splitting the Papacy into two parts while a Pope is alive is an impossibility. A Pope is a Pope for life and in eternity. The earthly power of a Pope only ends when he is dead and his soul enters into the hereafter:  heaven, purgatory or hell.

Francis is not the Pope.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: King Wenceslas on June 01, 2019, 06:11:31 PM

So Pope Saint Celestine V is in heaven?
But he resigned the Papacy here on earth?
How is he a Pope in heaven since he resigned the Papacy?
Or is he Pope Emeritus in heaven?
Are all the “Popes” that are in heaven, Pope Emeritus’s?

So maybe we should pray: Pope Emeritus Saint Celestine V, pray for us. Since we now know the true office he held at the moment of his death.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Clemens Maria on June 01, 2019, 06:47:12 PM

Quote from: King Wenceslas on June 01, 2019, 06:11:31 PM

So Pope Saint Celestine V is in heaven?
But he resigned the Papacy here on earth?
How is he a Pope in heaven since he resigned the Papacy?
Or is he Pope Emeritus in heaven?
Are all the “Popes” that are in heaven, Pope Emeritus’s?

So maybe we should pray: Pope Emeritus Saint Celestine V, pray for us. Since we now know the true office he held at the moment of his death.

Sorry but you won’t find any support for your view of St Celestine’s status in Catholic sources.  Yes, St Celestine really did resign from the office of the Roman Pontiff.  His resignation is universally recognized as valid by all Catholic theologians.  Not only that but you will probably find a few sources that will support the idea that his resignation was beneficial to the Church since he had no previous administration experience prior to his election and he made some serious mistakes in the few months that he remained in office.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 01, 2019, 09:11:52 PM

Quote from: King Wenceslas on June 01, 2019, 06:11:31 PM

So Pope Saint Celestine V is in heaven?
But he resigned the Papacy here on earth?
How is he a Pope in heaven since he resigned the Papacy?
Or is he Pope Emeritus in heaven?
Are all the “Popes” that are in heaven, Pope Emeritus’s?

So maybe we should pray: Pope Emeritus Saint Celestine V, pray for us. Since we now know the true office he held at the moment of his death.

:facepalm:

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on June 02, 2019, 09:54:06 AM

Some questions regarding the “alternate title” of English version of Socci book


https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/06/01/some-questions-regarding-the-alternate-title-of-english-version-of-socci-book/ (https://nonvenipacem.com/2019/06/01/some-questions-regarding-the-alternate-title-of-english-version-of-socci-book/)

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on June 28, 2019, 08:28:49 AM

https://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/06/socci-did-obamas-homo-colonialism-led.html (https://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/06/socci-did-obamas-homo-colonialism-led.html)

Socci: Did Obama's Homo-Colonialism bring about the Overthrow of Benedict XVI & the Italian Government?

Antonio Socci in "The Secret of Benedict XVI" makes the case that the Barack Obama administration demonized Vladimir Putin calling him and Russia "homophobic" because he and his nation refused to "accept as its own" the Obama policy of imperialistic one-world ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖization.
(The Secret, age 21)

Socci wrote that Pope Benedict XVI and the Italian government of Silvio Berlusconi were geopolitically allied with Putin's Russia against the Obama colonialism.

"The Secret" says there was a "coordinated campaign of scandal" that led to the overthrowing of the Berlusconi government in 2011 and the "abdication of  Ratzinger on February 21, 2013... At the height of the crisis, Italy saw the doors of access to international financial markets progressively close" as the Vatican Bank "was temporarily cut out of the [financial] Swift circuit" just before the Benedict resignation.
(The Secret, page 23)

With the "coordinated campaign of scandal" and financial pressure Italy saw the overthrow of Berlusconi and Benedict.

Replacing the two Putin allies were the Obama homo-colonialism friendly regimes of ex-Communist Giorgio Napolitano in Italy and Jorge Bergoglio in the Vatican who assumed the name of Francis upon taking power.

Francis made it obvious who he was allied with when he said "[ex-Communist] Giorgio Napolitano and [abortionist] Emma Bonino are 'among the greats of today's Italy'"
(il Fatto Quotidiano, February 8, 2016)

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Pax Vobis on June 28, 2019, 09:49:05 AM

Regarding Tradition, what would change if +Benedict were still the pope?  Nothing.  +Benedict would still be working with +Fellay to suck in the neo-sspx into the black hole of new-rome.  +Benedict would still be defending a "conservative" view of V2 and he would be promoting a hybrid 1962/novus ordo missal to replace the 1962 missal.
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Maybe +Benedict would try to get rid of some of the flaming homos in new-rome.  Maybe he would curtail some of the flaming liberal bishops' actions.  But that's a drop in the bucket of "good" compared to what needs to be done.  No, +Benedict is not the answer to the Church's problems.  He was one of V2's original supporters.  He will have much to answer for this.  He can never "restore" the Church because his Catholicism is modernistic.  He's a heretic.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on June 29, 2019, 01:04:29 AM

Pax Vobis - Wow. That's brutal. Not to mention disappointing in that I thought you were at least somewhat open to the BiP position. Obviously that's been cast aside, if not literally the man (Benedict) himself. 

So what you're saying is, you don't care that a multitude of Catholics (whether in name only, I'll let God determine that) are being led into apostasy by the usurper and destroyer Jorge "Francis" Bergoglio, because the man who *used to be* Pope (Benedict XVI was your pope at one time, yes?) still must be that same VII modernist "heretic" (you appear to have moral certitude that he has NOT undergone a possible conversion due to his knowledge of the Third Secret -- which, btw, very likely was the KEY factor in what led him to make this unprecedented decision to "resign" in the manner that he did -- read Socci's book); therefore, it matters not that it has been PROVEN by Canon Law and just the sheer objective reality of the situation (no such thing as a "Pope Emeritus" and numerous other visible signs impossible to ignore) that Benedict XVI does indeed remain the one and only reigning Pope. 

But... you don't have a need for this TRUTH. And you think God is just going to let you skip on by with this kind of indifference and the whining about what wouldn't change anyway if the TRUE Pope were somehow allowed to actually perform his duties? Even if you reluctantly accepted the truth of BiP, would you even want to pray for this "heretic", or is he excluded from conversion? Because it certainly sounds as if you have Benedict judged as irredeemable.  

I understand you feel justified to view him as disdainfully as you do, but I would caution that it won't be YOU who will have much to answer for when it comes time to face Our Lord.  

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Ladislaus on June 29, 2019, 05:00:43 AM

Quote from: King Wenceslas on June 01, 2019, 05:43:35 PM

Once a Pope, always a Pope. ... A Pope is a Pope for life and in eternity.

Utter nonsense.  Popes can (and have) resigned.  They then cease to be Popes.  And the Papacy is not a Sacramental character like the priesthood that goes on "for eternity".

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Ladislaus on June 29, 2019, 05:07:44 AM

Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 28, 2019, 09:49:05 AM

Regarding Tradition, what would change if +Benedict were still the pope?  Nothing.  +Benedict would still be working with +Fellay to suck in the neo-sspx into the black hole of new-rome.  +Benedict would still be defending a "conservative" view of V2 and he would be promoting a hybrid 1962/novus ordo missal to replace the 1962 missal.
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Maybe +Benedict would try to get rid of some of the flaming homos in new-rome.  Maybe he would curtail some of the flaming liberal bishops' actions.  But that's a drop in the bucket of "good" compared to what needs to be done.  No, +Benedict is not the answer to the Church's problems.  He was one of V2's original supporters.  He will have much to answer for this.  He can never "restore" the Church because his Catholicism is modernistic.  He's a heretic.

Benedict was arguably more dangerous than Bergoglio ... since he fooled people into thinking him to be some kind of "traditionalist".  He was as Modernist as they came.  At least with Bergoglio the mask has come off and people are confronted with the reality of who these men are.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: 2Vermont on June 29, 2019, 06:49:43 AM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 29, 2019, 05:07:44 AM

Benedict was arguably more dangerous than Bergoglio ... since he fooled people into thinking him to be some kind of "traditionalist".  He was as Modernist as they came.  At least with Bergoglio the mask has come off and people are confronted with the reality of who these men are.

Another admission by Benedict that he is not the pope:

https://www.vaticannews.va/it/vaticano/news/2019-06/benedetto-xvi-papa-emerito-unita-chiesa-vince-divisioni-interne.html (https://www.vaticannews.va/it/vaticano/news/2019-06/benedetto-xvi-papa-emerito-unita-chiesa-vince-divisioni-interne.html)

Google Translation:

Benedict XVI: the Pope is one, Francesco. Unity is stronger than divisions

The Pope emeritus recalls, in an interview, that the history of the Church has always been crossed by internal struggles and schisms: but unity must always prevail

"The unity of the Church has always been in danger, for centuries. It has been for all its history. Wars, internal conflicts, centrifugal forces, threats of schisms. But in the end the awareness that the Church is and must remain united has always prevailed. Its unity has always been stronger than the struggles and internal wars ". It is the certainty of Benedict XVI that everyone remembers: "The Pope is one, Francis".
His concern for the unity of the Church becomes even stronger in our times, in which Christians often appear to be divided over the public square and confront each other even with bright tones, perhaps using the same name as Ratzinger in an absolutely improper way. Benedetto's words are reported by the Corriere della Sera, which publishes an interview with the emeritus Pope in his weekly paper.

Unity in diversity

These are words that refer to the great commitment to strengthen the ecclesial communion that characterized the whole pontificate of Benedict XVI, until the last day of his Petrine ministry: "Let us remain united, dear Brothers" - he said in his last speech to the cardinals on 28 February 2013 - in "this profound unity" where the diversities - expression of the universal Church - always contribute to the superior and harmonious harmony "and" thus we serve the Church and the whole of humanity ". And he had assured his prayer for the election of his successor: "May the Lord show you what is desired by Him. And among you, among the College of Cardinals, there is also the future Pope to whom I already promise my unconditional reverence and obedience ".

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on June 29, 2019, 08:18:31 AM

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 29, 2019, 05:07:44 AM

Benedict was arguably more dangerous than Bergoglio ... since he fooled people into thinking him to be some kind of "traditionalist".  He was as Modernist as they came.  At least with Bergoglio the mask has come off and people are confronted with the reality of who these men are.

:applause:

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on June 29, 2019, 05:44:53 PM

2Vermont - Don't be so easily fooled.

Veri Catholici‏  (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)

For the record, the fraud of Vatican News is taking a very short citation to a previous statement and expanding it back to the original and then claiming it was said during the interview, though the interview never claimed that. That is journalist fraud of the first class!
(Scroll through the rest of that thread: https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1144969041003581441 (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1144969041003581441))

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http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/06/is-journalist-of-benedict-xvi-pope-is.html (http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/06/is-journalist-of-benedict-xvi-pope-is.html)


Is the Journalist of the Benedict XVI "Pope is one; is Francis" Interview a Leftist British Operative?

The Italian Massimo Franco who interviewed Benedict XVI with "The Pope is one; [he] is Francis" quote appears to possibly be a leftist British operative of some type who is ambiguous.

LifeSiteNews stated the Franco quotations of Benedict were at best ambiguous:

"It is unclear from this introductory article if these particular quotations were from the reporter or Benedict XVI himself."
(LifeSiteNews, "Benedict XVI asserts Francis is pope in new interview," June 29, 2019)

According to Wikipedia, Franco "is [a] member of the [British establishment] International Institute for Strategic Studies" which according to "Transparify... gave it it's lowest rating [for a think tank], 'deceptive' on funding transparency."

Wikipedia, also, said Franco "was a Vatican commentator at The [leftist pro-UK British] Guardian" until "2011." Moreover, Wikipedia said according to "Journalist Glenn Greenwald [The Guardian wrote fake news about]... Julian Assange... 'This article is about how those [Guardian's] false claims -fabrications, really - causing... thousands... (if not millions) to consume false news.'"

Journalist Antonio Socci says "Britain... [had] a strong political interest... to have Jorge Mario Bergoglio elected pope."
(The Secret of Benedict XVI, page 47-48 )

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on June 29, 2019, 05:53:39 PM

And since we're in an Antonio Socci thread, here was his tweet today (Google translated, and maybe I would add: "protect him from the hatred of those who call themselves Catholic" *ahem*).

https://twitter.com/AntonioSocci1/status/1144887115123253248 (https://twitter.com/AntonioSocci1/status/1144887115123253248)


AntonioSocci (https://twitter.com/AntonioSocci1)

@ AntonioSocci1

For the feast of saints "Peter and Paul" best wishes to the Pope, may God keep us healthy for a long time, though old, and protect him from the hatred of the powers of this world
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-N0R0-XsAEQXWk.jpg)
1:35 AM - 29 Jun 2019

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: 2Vermont on June 29, 2019, 06:21:19 PM

Quote from: nottambula on June 29, 2019, 05:44:53 PM

2Vermont - Don't be so easily fooled.

Veri Catholici‏  (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)

For the record, the fraud of Vatican News is taking a very short citation to a previous statement and expanding it back to the original and then claiming it was said during the interview, though the interview never claimed that. That is journalist fraud of the first class!
(Scroll through the rest of that thread: https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1144969041003581441 (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1144969041003581441))

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http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/06/is-journalist-of-benedict-xvi-pope-is.html (http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/06/is-journalist-of-benedict-xvi-pope-is.html)


Is the Journalist of the Benedict XVI "Pope is one; is Francis" Interview a Leftist British Operative?

The Italian Massimo Franco who interviewed Benedict XVI with "The Pope is one; [he] is Francis" quote appears to possibly be a leftist British operative of some type who is ambiguous.

LifeSiteNews stated the Franco quotations of Benedict were at best ambiguous:

"It is unclear from this introductory article if these particular quotations were from the reporter or Benedict XVI himself."
(LifeSiteNews, "Benedict XVI asserts Francis is pope in new interview," June 29, 2019)

According to Wikipedia, Franco "is [a] member of the [British establishment] International Institute for Strategic Studies" which according to "Transparify... gave it it's lowest rating [for a think tank], 'deceptive' on funding transparency."

Wikipedia, also, said Franco "was a Vatican commentator at The [leftist pro-UK British] Guardian" until "2011." Moreover, Wikipedia said according to "Journalist Glenn Greenwald [The Guardian wrote fake news about]... Julian Assange... 'This article is about how those [Guardian's] false claims -fabrications, really - causing... thousands... (if not millions) to consume false news.'"

Journalist Antonio Socci says "Britain... [had] a strong political interest... to have Jorge Mario Bergoglio elected pope."
(The Secret of Benedict XVI, page 47-48 )

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.

It isn't clear what fradulent statement VeriCatholic is referring to above. Do you?

Also, Life Site News was referring to the introductory article (not the entire interview) which does not include the quote "There is one single pope, Francis".

So, I'm still not seeing valid proof that this quote is a conspiracy.  You may wish to hold off on saying to others "Don't be so easily fooled".  It's not I that Ratzinger fools.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Pax Vobis on June 29, 2019, 06:44:11 PM

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Pax Vobis - Wow. That's brutal. Not to mention disappointing in that I thought you were at least somewhat open to the BiP position. 

I am open to it, I'm just saying that (best case scenario) if +Benedict had never resigned and +Francis were still in Argentina, what would change for Tradition/orthodoxy?  Not a darn thing.  So the fact that +Benedict may still be pope and +Francis is a fraud doesn't change anything practically.  +Benedict is, and always has been, a Modernist heretic.

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So what you're saying is, you don't care that a multitude of Catholics (whether in name only, I'll let God determine that) are being led into apostasy by the usurper and destroyer Jorge "Francis" Bergoglio, because the man who *used to be* Pope (Benedict XVI was your pope at one time, yes?) still must be that same VII modernist "heretic" (you appear to have moral certitude that he has NOT undergone a possible conversion due to his knowledge of the Third Secret -- which, btw, very likely was the KEY factor in what led him to make this unprecedented decision to "resign" in the manner that he did -- read Socci's book); therefore, it matters not that it has been PROVEN by Canon Law and just the sheer objective reality of the situation (no such thing as a "Pope Emeritus" and numerous other visible signs impossible to ignore) that Benedict XVI does indeed remain the one and only reigning Pope. 

+Benedict led just as many people in heresy before he became pope, as Cardinal Ratzinger.  He supported V2 from the beginning (and still does).  He's never publicly condemned V2 at all.  This is enough to say he's a heretic.  
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Let's not forget that Cardinal Ratzinger was instrumental in the year 2000 lie of the "Third Secret".  He was instrumental in lying to the entire catholic world that Fatima's purpose was finished.  
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As Cardinal, he's also been instrumental since the 80s for "negotiating" with the sspx and to try to get Traditionalism under new-rome's control.  He's also written many books (both as Cardinal and pope) that are filled with quasi-heresies and doubts of faith.  
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What evidence is there that he "converted" because of the 3rd secret?  Did he convert because of the 2000 version (which he has never said was a lie)?  Or did he convert because of the true, unreleased 3rd secret (which none of us knows)?  So many questions, so few answers.  
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But... you don't have a need for this TRUTH. And you think God is just going to let you skip on by with this kind of indifference and the whining about what wouldn't change anyway if the TRUE Pope were somehow allowed to actually perform his duties? 

Even if +Benedict is still the true pope, this is beyond my control.  He was pope for over 5 years, so we know what he did and didn't do already.  For me to project future accomplishments based on his past track record is a prudent act.

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Even if you reluctantly accepted the truth of BiP, would you even want to pray for this "heretic", or is he excluded from conversion? Because it certainly sounds as if you have Benedict judged as irredeemable.  

I've not stopped praying for the entire Church in rome, +Benedict, +Francis and all Cardinals included.  Praying for heretics has nothing to do with condemning their errors.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on June 29, 2019, 11:47:11 PM

Quote from: 2Vermont

It isn't clear what fradulent statement VeriCatholic is referring to above. Do you?

You posted the Vatican News article and said: "Another admission by Benedict that he is not the pope"

Veri Catholici, who has read the full "interview" said (of the Vatican News article): "For the record, the fraud of Vatican News is taking a very short citation to a previous statement and expanding it back to the original and then claiming it was said during the interview, though the interview never claimed that. That is journalist fraud of the first class!"

It seems this tweet refers to that "very short citation to a previous statement", although he didn't say where the original came from.

Veri Catholici‏  (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)

Many Thanks to a Member who shared the Benedict Interview with Veri Catholici HQ. We can now confirm that BENEDICT NEVER SAID during the interview, that There is only One Pope, and He is Francis. That quote was taken from several years ago.
https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1144666442308227074 (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1144666442308227074)


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Also, Life Site News was referring to the introductory article (not the entire interview) which does not include the quote "There is one single pope, Francis".

Which goes to demonstrate that they are admitting ambiguity when they themselves can't figure out who is saying what.  
"It is unclear from this introductory article if these particular quotations were from the reporter or Benedict XVI himself." (LifeSiteNews, "Benedict XVI asserts Francis is pope in new interview," June 29, 2019)

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Veri Catholici tweeted more about the bad journalistic ethics of Vatican News and Life Site News:


Veri Catholici‏  (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)

Vatican news claimed in a prepublication review that the interview contained the statement which Life site repeats in the tweet and article above. But the Italian of the interview contains no such statement. LifeSite wants Bergoglio pope so they follow Vatican News' lie.


Veri Catholici‏  (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)

Oh how the ethics of Life Site News have fallen. In a matter of days they are publicly rebuked by Cardinal Burke for associating his name with Bannon, and then they publish as news the lie of Vatican News regarding what never was in the b16 interview by Corriere della Sera.
(https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)

Veri Catholici‏
 (https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici)
It's exceedingly bad ethics to report second hand and third hand claims without verifying them. The article is available in Italian from the newspaper. If you read it, no such claim is found in it.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: King Wenceslas on July 01, 2019, 09:26:47 AM

Yep. it's always too easy for people to make mistakes where they do the most harm.

The sad part is that the damage done is never contained to just where the perpetrator wanted it, but it spreads like a cancer and affects far and wide. All except the perpetrator, or course, they're immune, they're retired or dead.

But everyone else is not immune. So eventually the perpetrator is the last one standing-- everything else is destroyed. Even the good people who are somewhat far away feel the cold touch. and shrivel. Some, a few, hobble away and survive, many die a slow death.

Some day people will look back into history, shake their heads and say "Yep, if he had only known he would have done things differently." Probably not, since the perpetrator is always right in his head until he stands before God.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on July 04, 2019, 11:26:07 PM

Life Site's follow-up report now confirms what Veri Catholici had tweeted (above): "We can now confirm that BENEDICT NEVER SAID during the interview, that There is only One Pope, and He is Francis."

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/no-evidence-pope-benedict-said-the-pope-is-one-it-is-francis (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/no-evidence-pope-benedict-said-the-pope-is-one-it-is-francis)


No evidence Pope Benedict said ‘the Pope is one; it is Francis’
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ROME, Italy, July 4, 2019 (LifeSiteNews (https://www.lifesitenews.com/)) ― Several media outlets around the world have reported that Benedict XVI asserted in a recent interview that Pope Francis “is the one pope,” but there is no evidence for this in the actual interview.

Thanks to reader Fr. Alfredo Morselli, LifeSiteNews has obtained a PDF (https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21ANjiJUtTfW4a9Ys&cid=3615D12DCE5805DB&id=3615D12DCE5805DB%21592&parId=root&o=OneUp) of Massimo Franco’s interview with Benedict XVI for the Corriere della Sera’s Sunday supplement, “Sette [7]” magazine.

The interview, which first appeared in the print edition of the magazine on June 30, is also available online. (https://www.corriere.it/sette/incontri/19_giugno_28/uomo-che-veglia-vaticano-7-dialogo-benedetto-xvi-bdd399a4-98d4-11e9-a7fc-0829f3644f7a.shtml)

Although articles about the interview, including one produced by the Catholic News Agency (https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2019/06/28/benedict-xvi-there-is-only-one-pope-francis/), stated that the Pope Emeritus had said in this interview that “the Pope is one; it is Francis,” evidence cannot be found in the interview itself. LifeSiteNews published a report on this matter on June 29 (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/benedict-xvi-asserts-francis-is-pope-in-new-interview) drawing on material from the Catholic News Agency report.  

The actual paragraph in which the phrases can be found does not seem to be a direct quotation from Benedict XVI but a suggestion by the interviewer of what the Pope Emeritus says to Francis’ critics.

Found on page 28, the paragraph has been recently translated for LifeSiteNews by Diane Montagna. Purporting to describe the six years of Benedict’s retirement in Vatican City, Franco wrote:

"When the history of these hidden years in Mater Ecclesia is written, it must not leave out the confidential visits from cardinals and bishops who knocked at the door looking for reassurance and voiced their criticisms and perplexity about the current pontificate. And one will discover how much was done to avoid lacerations. Bergoglio’s adversaries, who are often conservatives desperately searching for a word from Benedict that sounds like a criticism of Bergoglio, have invariably heard the response that ‘the Pope is one, it is Francis.’"

A trusted source told LifeSiteNews yesterday that Franco is refusing to confirm that the Pope Emeritus really did say those words.

In April 2019, following Benedict’s surprise statement (https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-uds-cse&cx=009897174749990975354:lgnzuogkqmq&q=https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/full-text-pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-lays-out-thoughts-on-abuse-crisis&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwictb-q0pvjAhX5A2MBHcA6Dx0QFjACegQIDxAC&usg=AOvVaw0ovAkbtgdLAwh2PQ3ULxv3) about the clerical sex abuse crisis, Cardinal Gerhardt Müller made an assertion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSCRHOQYX44) very close to the one Franco claimed for Benedict. Müller, a former prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said that it was not possible for a “true Catholic” to oppose Benedict XVI and Francis.

“I must refuse absolutely this false game of opposing the two people: we have now only one Pope who is Francis, and Benedict is not the pope anymore,” the Cardinal told television interviewer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSCRHOQYX44) Fabio Marchese Ragona on April 13, 2019 (at 13:24).  

The Corriere della Sera ran an advertising campaign for Franco’s interview with Benedict XVI prior to its publication in Sette magazine. However, in reality, expectations were dashed as Franco provided very little by way of direct quotations from the retired pontiff. It is unclear from the text that Benedict knew that he was participating in an interview; the pontiff’s most revelatory statement is that he prefers Italian holidays to Italian politics. Most of the article describes the visual details the journalist noticed in his outdoor meeting with Benedict, the retired pontiff’s day-to-day life, and Benedict’s amusement when given a cartoon of himself by cartoonist Emilio Giannelli, whom Franco said accompanied him to the interview.

On June 27, the Italian version of Vatican News (https://www.vaticannews.va/it/vaticano/news/2019-06/benedetto-xvi-papa-emerito-unita-chiesa-vince-divisioni-interne.html), anticipating Franco’s interview, seemed to suggest that the Pope Emeritus had said “the pope is one, Francis” to the Corriere della Sera reporter.  

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on July 04, 2019, 11:28:00 PM

http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/07/socci-roman-jurist-states-benedicts.html (http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/07/socci-roman-jurist-states-benedicts.html)

Socci: Roman Jurist states Benedict's Resignation "Time Limit" of "28 February 2013, at 20:00 Hours" makes Resignation "Invalidated"

Antonio Socci in his new book presents evidence that Benedict XVI's placing of a "time limit" on his resignation makes the resignation invalid according to a Roman jurist."

Benedict's resignation stated:

"[F]rom 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant."

Roman jurist Emilio Papinano asserted:

"Legitimate acts do not admit of any time limit or condition... are completely invalidated by the addition of any condition."
(The Secret of Benedict XVI, "Pages 68-75)

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on July 04, 2019, 11:31:12 PM

http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/07/socci-could-benedict-resign-solely-for.html (http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/07/socci-could-benedict-resign-solely-for.html)


Socci: Could Benedict XVI "Resign Solely for Reasons of Age"?

Antonio Socci in his new book shows evidence that Benedict XVI might not have been able to "resign solely for reasons of age."

Benedict's resignation said:

"Both strength of mind and body... has deteriorated... I have had to recognize my incapacity... For this reason I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, successor of Saint Peter."

"An authoritative canonist, Cardinal Vincent Faggioli" under John Paul II wrote:

"In an exhaustive and absolute way, the pope may not resign solely for reasons of age."

(The Secret of Benedict XVI, Pages 67-76)

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on July 04, 2019, 11:35:39 PM

An Amazon review of Antonio Socci's book.

A Tour de Force!

An excellent, carefully researched, and convincingly argued assessment of the current unprecedented tumult of the Catholic Church, and the roles of "the two popes" in the midst of it all. This book brings so much clarity to what Catholics are now living through, and in so doing removes some of the confusion - and the fear that accompanies confusion. However, in my opinion, the real tour de force, is the final chapter, "Everything Is Possible" -- a truly stunning, prophetic, and, yes, frightening examination of the place of "the two popes" in the current state of the Church AND the world. It should serve as a wake-up call of the highest magnitude to everyone, regardless of religion or background.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on July 05, 2019, 12:09:59 AM

http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/07/socci-if-benedicts-limited-resignation.html (http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/07/socci-if-benedicts-limited-resignation.html)

Socci: If Benedict's "Limited" Resignation is Valid then is "the Entire Juridical Order" Overturned where "the Law is Lost"?

Antonio Socci in his new book appears to be making the case that for Benedict XVI's resignation to be valid then "the entire juridical order" may have to be invalidated where "the law is lost."

Benedict's resignation said:

"[M]y strengths... are no longer suited to the adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry."

For theologian and canonist Stefano Violi the key limiting term or word in the resignation is "exercise":

"[T]he limited renunciation of the active exercise of the munus constitutes the absolute novelty of the renunciation of Benedict XVI."

Respected canonist Guido Ferro Canales says that this type of "renunciation" echoes the famous German Philosopher Carl Schmitt's "philosophical category of a 'state of exception'":

"Here, the 'state of exception' is to be understood... the suspension of the entire order of law that is in force. If this situation occurs, it is clear that the State continues, while the law is lost."

Canales explain how this applies to the "limit renunciation" that was examined by Violi:

"The pontificate of Benedict XVI became a 'pontificate of exception' by virtue of his resignation... A state of affairs that cannot be regulated a priori and thus, if it occurs requires the suspension of the entire juridical order."
(The Secret of Benedict XVI, Pages 80-85)

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: 2Vermont on July 06, 2019, 07:50:32 AM

Nottambula:  what would it take for you to believe that Benedict is not pope?  Assuming he did not say the quote above, would you believe he was pope if he DID say it?

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on July 08, 2019, 01:24:11 AM

Quote from: 2Vermont on July 06, 2019, 07:50:32 AM

Nottambula:  what would it take for you to believe that Benedict is not pope?  Assuming he did not say the quote above, would you believe he was pope if he DID say it?

Seeing as how the Vatican has gone out of its way to present this as a valid statement made by Pope Benedict (which has now been exposed as fake news), and just as with that whole "Lettergate" scandal proven to be a forgery (manipulating a photo of Benedict's letter to give the appearance that he and Bergoglio are in complete continuity with one another); anything alleged to be said by Benedict in support of Bergoglio, is HIGHLY suspect.

Frank Walker from Canon212.com coined the term "BenedictBot" some time ago. Ann Barnhardt acknowledged this in a blog post the other day. https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/07/05/canon212-com-s-frank-walker-nailed-it-when-he-coined-the-term-benedictbot-quotes-attributed-to-pope-benedict-are-being-fabricated-by-vaticannews/ (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2019/07/05/canon212-com-s-frank-walker-nailed-it-when-he-coined-the-term-benedictbot-quotes-attributed-to-pope-benedict-are-being-fabricated-by-vaticannews/)

This behavior of falsifying statements gives the impression that "Team Bergoglio" knows Benedict is still the true Pope, and is acutely aware that he has a growing number of supporters who believe he has always remained so.  But as long as Benedict is under the "care" of Bergoglio (as a virtual prisoner in the Vatican*) all communications put forth telling us these are Benedict's statements, cannot be automatically presumed to be authentic. (I personally believe the recent essay attributed to Benedict on the sex abuse crisis could have been partially written by him, but that other parts were forged because it didn't sound like him at all.)

As for your hypothetical question on whether I would continue to believe Benedict is still the Pope (if ever he did say "Francis" is), is entirely moot based on the fact that Pope Benedict has not properly renounced the Petrine Office according to Canon Law, specifically Canon 332.2. Therefore, any such statement would be an impossibility to be true.


*Some recent tweets from Veri Catholici:

Quote from: Veri Catholici

Bergoglio was never pope but rules by means of hearsay put out by Cardinal Sodano on Feb 11, 2013 with the tacit consent of the Cardinals who wanted B16 out so as to hide the report on Sodomy at the top of the Church Hierarchy.

‏Immediately after reading Non Solum propter, Sodano stood up in the Consistory and shouted, This announcement is like a bolt of lightning out of heaven! We believe Sodano play acted to hide the conspiracy, just as Bergoglio came to Rome without a spare underwear as a pretense

If this is correct, the conspiracy was not hatched on Feb 11, but in the Fall of 2012, before Ganswein was appointed to the Pontifical Household. That appointment was a concession to B16 to guarantee him certain personal security during imprisonment that was already decided.

This would in turn explain the feverish activity of Bergoglio's agents at Rome in the Fall of 2012, as reported by Henry Sire in @DictatorPope
https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1147173172514607104

Quote from: Veri Catholici

In retrospect, the imprisonment of Benedict and the Revolution of the Lavender Mafia in Feb 2013 was announced to the world by the universal praise of MSM journalists for Bergoglio and their refusal to investigate the abdication, then and now.

When all the enemies of the Church praise anything, you can be sure its of the devil and criminal.
https://twitter.com/VeriCatholici/status/1147951639875260416

Lastly, although Louie Verrecchio has seemingly gotten away from his "Resignationist" position (I don't see him writing about it anymore), this was a good article from Aug. 2016. Louie appeared to speculate that Benedict's status is that of a prisoner (sending out red flags); and as I would certainly agree, all roads do indeed lead to Fatima.
Benedict’s bombshell goes all but unnoticed
https://akacatholic.com/benedicts-bombshell-goes-all-but-unnoticed/

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on August 04, 2019, 04:29:55 AM

Quote from: Catholic Monitor blog combox

I highly recommend reading “The Secret Of Benedict XVI - Still The Pope”, by Antonio Socci. It is unbelievably good.

He not only makes the obvious comprehensive case for what happened and why, Truth to the nth power, he is making the case that what Benedict XVI did was not a strange, random, practical choice at all .... but is in direct response to God Himself in intimate conversation - Papal communion with his Lord Jesus Christ. In a way that Prophets are always closely linked to the mind and will of Almighty God, Benedict XVI has been and currently is profoundly connected to God in “prayer and contemplation” and is now doing His precise will.

He did what he did because God directed him to do so. 

It is time for judgement and vengeance against evil people and this is part of God’s plan to bring righteous wrath down on their heads. At the same time it is time for God’s mercy, a time for restoration and healing for those whose faith has been attacked by these evil men. The Zchirch is full of filth. These people think they are having a party. They are merely the substance in a boil that is being lanced. 

Pope Benedict clearly states he intends to devote his remaining life in full to “prayer and contemplation”. Evil men dismiss and laugh at “prayer and contemplation” ... reflecting their own barren lives. The See Of Peter is all that matters to them - Bishop of Rome; Governor of the world spanning Church; maker of rules; commander of obedience. Prayer?! Contemplation?! Yeah, yeah, that’s what old people with a lot of time on their hands do.

Holy and righteous men, however, know that “prayer and contemplation” is essentially the *entire point* of being Pope. That *is* the Office of Moses whose true power came from his moments on the Mountains; his moments in the Cloud amidst the Holy Temple; direct communion between Almighty God and his chosen Vicar, Prophet, King.

The See Of Rome without the Munus is like the camp of Israel before the Golden Calf. God is not there. Great evil is being done. Yes, Aaron is *in charge*. No, Aaron is not an agent of God. God’s agent is on the Mountain. Their time is almost up.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: nottambula on August 08, 2019, 02:07:42 PM

https://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/08/is-socci-implying-end-of-world-is-near.html?m=1 (https://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/08/is-socci-implying-end-of-world-is-near.html?m=1)


Could Socci be Implying "the End of the World" is near if the Pope doesn't Consecrate Russia by Name?

The respected Catholic scholar Dr. Peter Kwasniewski in reviewing the Antonio Socci book "The Secret of Benedict XVI: Is he still Pope?" said:

"Socci['s]... careful analysis... above all, the interpretation [of] canon lawyers... argue that the resignation lacks several conditions for validity."

In the last page of the book, Socci's "careful analysis" of the lack of Benedict XVI's "resignation... validity" brings him to the conclusion that we must be:

"United to Pope Benedict [not pope emeritus Benedict]."

In Twitter on July 26, Socci wrote:

"Bergoglio [not Pope Francis]... is dismantling the Catholic Church."

The world renowned Fatima expert Socci at the end of the book revealed from little known "docuмents" that quotes from Fatima Seer Jacinta Marto have her "speaking about":

"[T]he 'end of the world' if people 'do not do penance and change their lives.'"
(The Secret of Benedict XVI, Page 152)

The book on page 155 says "at Fatima there was great insistence on RUSSIA, on CONSECRATION":

 "[A]t Fatima there was great insistence on Russia, on consecration and conversion of Russia. [Fatima seer] Sister Lucia said, in the dialogue of 1957, that "Russia will be the instrument to punish the entire world..."

"Here, then, is the greatness of the design of Benedict XVI: in an insane historical moment."

The greatest exorcist of our time said Pope John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia by name but did not do so as Our Lady of Fatima asked:

"Fr. Gabriele Amorth, who at the time was the chief exorcist of Rome [said]. 'I was there on March 25 [1984] in St. Peter's Square; I was in the front row, practically within touching distance of the Holy Father... John Paul II wanted to consecrate Russia, but his entourage did not...'"

"'... His Holiness consecrated the world on his knees, he added a sentence not included in the distributed version that instead said to consecrate 'especially those nations of which you yourself [Our Lady of Fatima] have asked for their consecration.' So, indirectly, this included Russia. However, a specific consecration has not yet been made.'"
(Church Militant, "Pope John Paul II Wanted To Consecrate Russia by Name But Didn't," May 23, 2017)

This is my conjecture formed obviously on incomplete information on the mind of Socci, however I assume he knows the importance of the consecration and knows that Russia hasn't been consecrated by name. With these assumptions, it seems it could be possible that Socci may be implying that the "end of the world" may be near if the Pope doesn't consecrate Russia by name as John Paul II failed to do.

It is obvious who he thinks is the Pope as he said in the last page of his book. He said that we Catholics must be:

"United to Pope Benedict."

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church. Jacinta said we must do penance and change our lives. Offer the sacrifice of praying more and going to Mass more as well as fasting more at least in very small ways, without neglecting or interfering with your state in life, for the Pope to consecrate Russia by name and for the restoration of the Church.

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: Cera on August 08, 2019, 06:51:25 PM

Quote from: Quid Retribuam Domino on January 08, 2019, 11:01:23 PM

Start at 6:54. According to this analysis, Benedict XVI's resignation isn't legal, and it's not because he was under duress as a main reason. I'm not saying Benedict XVI is a real pope (there's been anti-popes since John XXIII all the way up to Frank), but for argument sake, if Benedict XVI is a legitimate Pontiff, then he's still the pope and his "resignation" is null and void as detailed in the video, and, again, it's not because the main reason was he was under duress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkadmPUJgOw

Thank you for posting this. Wow!

Title: Re: The Secret of Benedict XVI: Why He Is Still Pope (Antonio Socci Book Review)
Post by: trad123 on August 10, 2019, 12:42:37 AM

Ratzinger in his own words

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/ratzinger-in-his-own-words/