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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Jamie on June 29, 2010, 08:29:52 PM
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Hi all.
I am just wondering if anyone can answer this question: could the antichrist be crowned Pope?
He would obviously believe in Christ and all of the dogmas as he would have a supernatural knowledge they are true - but he hates them. Could he become Pope and reign over the Church?
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Hi all.
I am just wondering if anyone can answer this question: could the antichrist be crowned Pope?
He would obviously believe in Christ and all of the dogmas as he would have a supernatural knowledge they are true - but he hates them. Could he become Pope and reign over the Church?
I don't see how you could deny that the gates of Hell had prevailed if that were the case.
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An anti-Pope, yeah.
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I the anti-christ would prefer to be something like a god-emperor. I imagine he would have an anti-pope who would probably be the false prophet, but then it's likely that the false prophet is someone other than an anti-pope and would be some occult leader.
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I don't know. I've never gotten a prophecy right yet, except in hindsight. We do know satan wants everything that is God's including our worship. He has his own people, his own book, his own church, etc. Why not his own pope?
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St. Paul wrote that the son of perdition will sit in the temple of God. I have heard it claimed that this means that he will be a false Pope sitting on the throne of Peter. I think the Dimond brothers used to claim that John Paul II was the actual Antichrist.
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Maybe its not just one "pope" but a series of "popes" then St. Michael will come a slay the last one. :dwarf: :bob-marley:
And then God will pick the last True pope and name him Peter. :sheep:
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We foolish old crocks hope on, don't we?
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Catholic Samurai said:
I the anti-christ would prefer to be something like a god-emperor. I imagine he would have an anti-pope who would probably be the false prophet, but then it's likely that the false prophet is someone other than an anti-pope and would be some occult leader.
I think you're right. I think it would gall the Anti-Christ to have to hide behind the mantle of the papacy. The whole point of the Anti-Christ is that this is like Satan revealing himself in the form of a man. He wants to be worshiped in himself, not just twist the Catholic truth and be worshiped as a bad Pope.
We know he sits in the temple of God, which is wherever the Vatican is at that time. It is not the Jєωιѕн temple, but the Vatican may very well be in Jerusalem. At least one prophecy speaks of the Great Monarch dying there, so in all likelihood he reclaims it for Catholicism too. Isn't he really the last and greatest Crusader, and wouldn't it make sense that he succeeds where the others failed?
We also know from the Apocalypse that Enoch and Elias preach in the city where Christ was crucified -- Jerusalem. I think we can safely say, then, that Rome and Jerusalem will eventually coincide, and that the world itself ends in Jerusalem, as Michael and Christ come in splendor to burn the Earth and replace the perverted earthly Jerusalem with the heavenly one.
So yeah, I think the Anti-Christ will be a Nero-type absolutely disgusting madman who sits, as it were, in the ruins of the Vatican, having reduced the Vatican to its pagan origins, with the false prophet as an anti-Pope. The question is, if he is this evil, how can so many people fall for his tricks? Well, first you have the false prophet who is the Merlin to his King Arthur. Then he will be provided with all kinds of black magic to surround himself in mystery. His true revolting nature will be kept private, except for his penchant for murdering and torture, but he will make people think that his violence is necessary to remove all the "heretics" -- who will be the real Catholics, namely Enoch and Elias and their followers. They will be mangled and tormented in ways unheard of before. It is through these hideous, stomach-turning torments that the Antichrist will reveal what a monstrous, sadistic pig he is, but the people will hate Enoch and Elias so much that they will think it is all justified.
Unfortunately, some of the tortures inflicted by Catholic governments in the past were pretty harsh themselves ( read about the death of Ravillac ), but the Antichrist's torments will go much further. I used to watch a lot of horror films before being Catholic and I think the spirit of Anti-Christ is in those films, what is called "torture porn" films. I don't want to repeat these tortures because I don't want to give anyone any ideas, but there are lots of vile ways to kill someone.
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MyrnaM said:
Maybe its not just one "pope" but a series of "popes" then St. Michael will come a slay the last one. :dwarf: :bob-marley:
And then God will pick the last True pope and name him Peter.
There is no Pope after Antichrist. As you say, Christ Himself -- through Michael -- comes to destroy Antichrist. After that, there is no need of a Pope, the King and Prince are our rulers forever after.
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Oh, oops. Catholic Samurai had said that the false prophet would not be an anti-Pope. And now that I think about it, that also strikes me as correct. There will probably be nothing Catholic about Anti-Christ or those who serve him, the religion will be nearly destroyed by this time.
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Whoever it is, catholics are primed to accept anything and anyone no matter how bad. It's all about luv and compassion. The only group of people that they hold in complete horror and disdain are traditionals.
Raoul said: "...the religion will be nearly destroyed by this time."
Isn't it already?
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Hi all.
I am just wondering if anyone can answer this question: could the antichrist be crowned Pope?
He would obviously believe in Christ and all of the dogmas as he would have a supernatural knowledge they are true - but he hates them. Could he become Pope and reign over the Church?
Since the Antichrist will be a man, he will not be Satan himself. It is clearly understood the man will NOT have the divine virtue of Faith. Without Faith one can neither be a pope, nor a Catholic. A pope must be Catholic and have the divine virtue of Faith. He can be crowned, but he will just be the Antichrist with a crown on his head...not a pope.
The article in the Catholic Encyclopedia gives argument that a false pope will be the Antichrist. The Antichrist will try to simulate Christ, and since a pope is the closest to that effect, he will seek to lead astray and destroy Catholics by being a false pope whom the majority of Catholics will think is real. The article mentions that St. Bernard believed the Antichrist would be a false pope.
What better way to lead Catholics to perdition than to claim that even were the Antichrist a false pope, that we would have to consider him a true pope because we don't have the authority to make a judgment to the contrary!
This is what the SSPX is leading Catholics to. The is what the sedevacantists are warning Catholics about. The SSPXers continuously run away from the arguments of the sedevacantists, while the SSPXers try to feel satisfied with their contradictions and dead-end arguments. The "operation of error" is setting in.
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well said Patman
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false Pope=false prophet perhaps
antichrist=Jєω born in middle east and rises to power there, likely nuclear tipped nad USA supported Israel....
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I the anti-christ would prefer to be something like a god-emperor. I imagine he would have an anti-pope who would probably be the false prophet, but then it's likely that the false prophet is someone other than an anti-pope and would be some occult leader.
AC would place one of his own on throne, of the one world religion......
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Here's a few things I'd like to point out.
1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.
2.- There are rumors that Paul VI was the Anti-Christ but that can't be true. That doesn't mean Paul VI didn't support the religion of the Anti-Christ though. I can't judge what his thoughts were, but his actions indicated he may have very well supported the occult. Then again, it could have been a man who couldn't have qualified as Pope but was planted as Pope anyway. If that was the case, he would have been an Anti-Pope. I guess we won't know until we get to Heaven.
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well stated! :applause:
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1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.
A true pope cannot be the Antichrist, for sure. But a papal claimant can be the Antichrist, and St. Bernard had good reason to believe the Antichrist will be so, since it is known the Antichrist will be so successfull in leading the majority of Catholics astray.
What better way to help pave the way for Antichrist than to have the SSPX make a generation of Catholics following them wrongly believe that we cannot judge that a papal claimant is false. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees - even their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre believed that we could judge! The SSPX has even fallen away from the ideals of their founder....inconsistently, still insisting he is a Saint. I have seen on the yahoogroups RomanCatholics list (SSPX) where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.
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where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.
Love people when you say something they don't agree with, you are looked at with scorn, or in this example, "kicked off"
When Anti-Christ appears won't we know by looking at the Jєωs attitude toward him. I thought they would all hail him, maybe this is why the vatican, (I heard) flies the Jєωιѕн star of David flag. Does anyone know for sure about that?
I also read, but do not know if it was truth that one of those false popes did have a Jєωιѕн mother. For all we know maybe, and I not saying it is so, but maybe we are past all that and now we await the Second Coming of Christ.
I wish we knew for sure exactly where we are in the time table of God, but He keeps us suspended.
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1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.
A true pope cannot be the Antichrist, for sure. But a papal claimant can be the Antichrist, and St. Bernard had good reason to believe the Antichrist will be so, since it is known the Antichrist will be so successfull in leading the majority of Catholics astray.
What better way to help pave the way for Antichrist than to have the SSPX make a generation of Catholics following them wrongly believe that we cannot judge that a papal claimant is false. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees - even their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre believed that we could judge! The SSPX has even fallen away from the ideals of their founder....inconsistently, still insisting he is a Saint. I have seen on the yahoogroups RomanCatholics list (SSPX) where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.
i will go with earlier and more unified teaching on the AC from earlier Fathers that AC is a Jєωιѕн leader, as Christ was Jєω,etc...no offense to St. bernard on that, though one may have tosee what was going on isn his life to see why he thought that way, maybe reflecting on the Great Schism, Black Death,etc tended to cloud judgment or some other event like that-today, not got the time to research that on my own......
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where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.
Love people when you say something they don't agree with, you are looked at with scorn, or in this example, "kicked off"
When Anti-Christ appears won't we know by looking at the Jєωs attitude toward him. I thought they would all hail him, maybe this is why the vatican, (I heard) flies the Jєωιѕн star of David flag. Does anyone know for sure about that?
I also read, but do not know if it was truth that one of those false popes did have a Jєωιѕн mother. For all we know maybe, and I not saying it is so, but maybe we are past all that and now we await the Second Coming of Christ.
I wish we knew for sure exactly where we are in the time table of God, but He keeps us suspended.
It is dangerous to make that a litmus test for the Antichrist. The real test is simply Catholic doctrine and morals.
The Jєωs themselves are not unified, so this already throws a monkey wrench into it. I heard there was a Jєωιѕн Rabbi somewhere around Romania during the late 1930's who was going around proclaiming Adolf Hitler as the Jєωιѕн Messias!
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i will go with earlier and more unified teaching on the AC from earlier Fathers that AC is a Jєωιѕн leader, as Christ was Jєω,etc...no offense to St. bernard on that, though one may have tosee what was going on isn his life to see why he thought that way, maybe reflecting on the Great Schism, Black Death,etc tended to cloud judgment or some other event like that-today, not got the time to research that on my own......
Belloc, it is not a teaching, it is a valid opinion. And there can be no offense to St. Bernard, because a man being a Jєω and a false pope is perfectly compatible. Read the article on Antichrist I mentioned. Antichrist will fool most Catholics, and it is reasonable that he would be a false pope, because that is a position that is best suited to fool Catholics.
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AC will liekly appoint an antipope, likely one of his running buddies-but AC cannot a Pope, he leads armies and is a politician. Not a cleric, would ape a false Catholic Social order typology....
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AC will liekly appoint an antipope, likely one of his running buddies-but AC cannot a Pope, he leads armies and is a politician. Not a cleric, would ape a false Catholic Social order typology....
Belloc, do you know what a false pope is? The Antichrist can be a false pope.
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1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.
What better way to help pave the way for Antichrist than to have the SSPX make a generation of Catholics following them wrongly believe that we cannot judge that a papal claimant is false. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees - even their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre believed that we could judge! The SSPX has even fallen away from the ideals of their founder....inconsistently, still insisting he is a Saint. I have seen on the yahoogroups RomanCatholics list (SSPX) where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.
I dis-agree. The SSPX is not paving the way for the Anti-Christ. Just because they aren't quite as good as they were when LeFebvre was still alive (considering he will be made a saint one day) does not mean they are bad. Where would we be today without LeFebvre and the SSPX?
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AC will liekly appoint an antipope, likely one of his running buddies-but AC cannot a Pope, he leads armies and is a politician. Not a cleric, would ape a false Catholic Social order typology....
Belloc, do you know what a false pope is? The Antichrist can be a false pope.
Key word is CAN. The Anti-Christ CAN be a false Pope, but won't be. I think the Devil being elected as Pope is a bit over the top. That would not possibly be allowed by God. He could declare himself Pope, but he won't actually be elected Pope.
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The SSPX is not paving the way for the Anti-Christ. Just because they aren't quite as good as they were when LeFebvre was still alive (considering he will be made a saint one day) does not mean they are bad. Where would we be today without LeFebvre and the SSPX?
Nobody is saying the SSPX was, or is, ALL bad. But it is ecuмenical thinking to look at the positive and ignore the negative. Something can be overall dangerous if it is 90% good and 10% dangerous, especially when it comes to doctrinal dangers. Certainly we can give credit where credit is due historically, unfortunately the SSPX has serious doctrinal errors damaging to the Faith. As an analogy, you can have a nice white shirt, no stains nor wrinkles, but if it smells bad, you simply don't wear it!
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Key word is CAN. The Anti-Christ CAN be a false Pope, but won't be. I think the Devil being elected as Pope is a bit over the top. That would not possibly be allowed by God. He could declare himself Pope, but he won't actually be elected Pope.
Where you go wrong is that the Antichrist will be a man, not the Devil. A man can be a false pope, and as St. Bernard believed, the Antichrist can very well be a papal claimant whom the majority follow, but who is really not a true pope.
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Patman said:
Where you go wrong is that the Antichrist will be a man, not the Devil. A man can be a false pope, and as St. Bernard believed, the Antichrist can very well be a papal claimant whom the majority follow, but who is really not a true pope.
St. Bernard was awesome. I was surprised when I learned a little bit more about his life, just like I was when I finally learned that St. Francis wasn't the proto-hippie Uncle Remus flower child as he is portrayed in movies.
Bernard, as everyone should know, went and got Anacletus II deposed, a "Pope" who didn't even have one fraction of the strikes against him that these Freemasonic stooges of today have. He also didn't have SSPX to stand in his way and tell him that he couldn't judge the Pope and that he had to stand idly by and let a destroyer ravage everything in sight just because by some technicality he might still have retained the office.
What a bunch of castrated wusses Catholics have become. We know these guys in Rome are destroyers, Mason stooges, why do we sit around pretending? Tell you what -- make me Pope, and I will come up with a reason why they were not Popes, I will sign it into law, and that will be that. It doesn't matter if it's the Anaphora of Addai and Mari or the Joint Declaration on Justification or their various public unrepented heresies, it's all good, it all works.
People like to argue about whether a public heretic can still be Pope, whether Bellarmine or Cajetan was correct, and they will argue about this endlessly. Okay, make me Pope, and I will define that no, he cannot, siding with Bellarmine. See how easy it is?
The Church is much more flexible than people believe; the laws are made for us, not us for the laws!
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Back to Antichrist, the problem with your scenario, Patman, is that you don't lose your soul just by following a false Pope. I think we all agree on that now, though last year I thought if you went to an una cuм Mass you were committing sacrilege.
JPII was probably born of a Jєω, Emilia Katz, and he definitely had some Anti-Christ qualities -- sat in the temple of God, showed himself as God, it was definitely all about him and his "rock star" persona, though I find his charisma is highly overrated, unless you find smirking monosyllabic polyglots to be impressive.
I just don't think that religious liberty and the Anaphora of Addai and Mari are the great wonders of Anti-Christ. These transgressions surely mean the VII structure is not the Church, but it's not quite enough to reap all the souls that Anti-Christ will reap, since most people don't even understand anything about them, not even enough to be materially heretical.
But I still agree with Catholic Samurai, and I had been thinking along these lines myself, that the Anti-Christ will not be a Pope. I still say it would be galling for the Anti-Christ to have to hide behind the Catholic religion to deceive everyone. I think he will somehow convince people that the Catholic Church has evolved into whatever he will make it: The Church of Me, Bob W. Brown Esq. AKA Antichrist.
Forgive me if I've said this elsewhere, but I also believe that Satan actually NEEDS the Catholic Restoration to happen, the age of the Monarch. The Anti-Christ is a false spiritual leader, but we are in a time that is so spiritually dead that people aren't even looking for a false Messiah ( and please don't bring up Obama, no one cares as much as that ). That means that Satan will have to somehow turn the spiritual fervor of the post-Monarch years to his advantage, and will completely corrupt and derange the majority of people before the advent of Anti-Christ, who will simply collect all the rotten fruit that Satan has already provided for him.
More proof that we are not in the time of Antichrist -- for you, Myrna -- is that Elias and Enoch haven't come ( no, Richard Ibranyi doesn't count ).
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Here I thought all along you were Elias and Joseph S. was Enoch. :whistleblower:
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What is this: Anaphora of Addai and Mari?
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He also didn't have SSPX to stand in his way and tell him that he couldn't judge the Pope and that he had to stand idly by
Raoul-you were not yet born and definately not Catholic in the early to mid 70's, when there was no traditional group or people around to say the TLM,no one to hold to Tradition, so this shows a lack of insight and respect. ABL and the SSPX were the only group really out there to try to hold things together for us and offer some sanity. You were not there, did not have to live through it...
I see your broad brush attacks are still there-disagree a little and dismiss and denigrate them...
I hope when it is all over and done with, someone gives you more charity then you give the SSPX, Chesterton, P12...you find some faults and the next thing, the person or groups is evil and bad....
again, hindsight is 20/20, for those of us at the time, esp stuck in NO parishes that were being ransacked, the Society gave of us some, some point to rally at least......
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JPII was probably born of a Jєω, Emilia Katz,
any proof to offer or mere conjecture? you and CM joked in the past about JP2 and the "hawk nosed" P11 if I recall right.
true, Assisi 1986 was a foreshadowing of the One World Religion of the AC...
but, proof the name above was JP2's? proof he was a Jєω? and if so, many Catholics had Jєωιѕн ancestery, like Torquemeda...
one has to first prove Jєωιѕн ancestry on the part of JP2 and then, prove he was influenced by тαℓмυdic beliefs.....my ancestors were pagans that built the megaliths in Scotland, but do I perform drudic rituals? D oI then bear the sin of paganism?
Must discern having Jєωιѕн ancestry from practice, for the Church is against what true antisemitsm is (as opposed to the hip buzz wording now used to attack, denigrate and shut down discussions)-antisemitism traditionally was a hatred of a Jєω and mistreatment of a Jєω based on race alone......those that accept the Fide are to be welcomed.
Organized тαℓмυdism and the Jєωιѕн take over we see today is to be opposed by any good Catholic.....
having Jєωιѕн blood is not sinful, acting/practicing like a тαℓмυdic-hence placing oneself outside of Christ-is
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The Jєωs themselves are not unified, so this already throws a monkey wrench into it. I heard there was a Jєωιѕн Rabbi somewhere around Romania during the late 1930's who was going around proclaiming Adolf Hitler as the Jєωιѕн Messias!
um..Israel is a state with a huge military budget, nukes and billions a yr from the USA-often at the urging of Aipac and other Jєωιѕн groups...inc the rapturists zionists and other zionists....
Most Jєωs aroudn the world and esp in the "Lone superpower" support israel and the media, think tanks,et all shut down any discussion of the state of israel...the state actually can do almost anything they want with little critcisms and no reprecutions.....the USA blocks any attacks on isreal in the UN.....we pump billions to them yearly...
I think they pose and have posed a threat to peace and could-through the usa, press, Hollywood, etc...easily march toward domination militarily, with little to stop them-they are going to hit Iran, through usa's soldiers.
Plus, they have the finance and media largely controlled..
appears they are well on their way to controlling the world, by using others as proxies to fight and control.....
they are unified around the false charges leveled against "antisemites" and even to critcize the state of israel is to be labelled "anitsemite" and viciously attacked and treated as a hater monger....the few Jєωs that speak out, you do not normally see or hear from....they are labelled "self hating Jєωs"....
they are unfied and largely, have already won-so what if others do the fighting for them...no Catholic Social Order, hence the inverse, which is :devil2: Plan for Disorder.....
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Key word is CAN. The Anti-Christ CAN be a false Pope, but won't be. I think the Devil being elected as Pope is a bit over the top. That would not possibly be allowed by God. He could declare himself Pope, but he won't actually be elected Pope.
Where you go wrong is that the Antichrist will be a man, not the Devil. A man can be a false pope, and as St. Bernard believed, the Antichrist can very well be a papal claimant whom the majority follow, but who is really not a true pope.
and this is a nice way to "prove" the SV theory isnt it! Some desparete to prove that theory.. never mind the Protestants would love it-finally, they are vindicated that Pope=antichrist and Catholic Church=Whore of Babylon
thanks for scoring for them..
BTW-SSPX doctrinal errors? and they are...?
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St. Bernard was awesome . . . .
Bernard, as everyone should know, went and got Anacletus II deposed, a "Pope" who didn't even have one fraction of the strikes against him that these Freemasonic stooges of today have. . . .
Tell you what -- make me Pope, and I will come up with a reason why they were not Popes, I will sign it into law, and that will be that.
I did not know that St. Bernard had a Pope deposed, but I did know he was awesome. When I pray to St. Bernard, I am often overcome with strong emotions, and feel that he is really listening to my prayers and helping me in my troubles. This does not happen very often when I pray to other saints, just St. Bernard.
In the past, have not popes dug up the bodies of their predecessors, put them on trial, and annulled all their actions? I do not see why this cannot happen again.
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Key word is CAN. The Anti-Christ CAN be a false Pope, but won't be. I think the Devil being elected as Pope is a bit over the top. That would not possibly be allowed by God. He could declare himself Pope, but he won't actually be elected Pope.
Where you go wrong is that the Antichrist will be a man, not the Devil. A man can be a false pope, and as St. Bernard believed, the Antichrist can very well be a papal claimant whom the majority follow, but who is really not a true pope.
and this is a nice way to "prove" the SV theory isnt it! Some desparete to prove that theory.. never mind the Protestants would love it-finally, they are vindicated that Pope=antichrist and Catholic Church=Whore of Babylon
thanks for scoring for them..
BTW-SSPX doctrinal errors? and they are...?
Belloc, try responding to my words. Anything wrong with those two sentences of mine that you were responding to?
Pope=antichrist? Where did you get that from? I said false pope=antichrist. You just turned what I said upside-down and then attempted to attribute it to me!
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Key word is CAN. The Anti-Christ CAN be a false Pope, but won't be. I think the Devil being elected as Pope is a bit over the top. That would not possibly be allowed by God. He could declare himself Pope, but he won't actually be elected Pope.
Where you go wrong is that the Antichrist will be a man, not the Devil. A man can be a false pope, and as St. Bernard believed, the Antichrist can very well be a papal claimant whom the majority follow, but who is really not a true pope.
Where you go wrong is that the Anti-Christ will come in the form of a man but will be the Devil. Some research would come in handy.
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From the article on Antichrist in the Catholic Encyclopedia:
"will not be a demon.... nor will he be the person of the devil incarnated in the human nature of Antichrist. He will be a human person"
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Well, they would have to start actually crowning popes again :dancing: first.
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Well, never mind. I take back what I said about him actually being the Devil. He will be controlled by the Devil though!
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Here's a few things I'd like to point out.
1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.
2.- There are rumors that Paul VI was the Anti-Christ but that can't be true. That doesn't mean Paul VI didn't support the religion of the Anti-Christ though. I can't judge what his thoughts were, but his actions indicated he may have very well supported the occult. Then again, it could have been a man who couldn't have qualified as Pope but was planted as Pope anyway. If that was the case, he would have been an Anti-Pope. I guess we won't know until we get to Heaven.
Actually this is what I was getting at initially - it seems of all the Popes that Paul VI did the real damage and the rest of them might be excused by the fact that they erroneously extend infallability to many of his wrong actions.
I think you are right that he wasn't the anti-christ but I think he was certainly in his service.
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Here's a few things I'd like to point out.
1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.
2.- There are rumors that Paul VI was the Anti-Christ but that can't be true. That doesn't mean Paul VI didn't support the religion of the Anti-Christ though. I can't judge what his thoughts were, but his actions indicated he may have very well supported the occult. Then again, it could have been a man who couldn't have qualified as Pope but was planted as Pope anyway. If that was the case, he would have been an Anti-Pope. I guess we won't know until we get to Heaven.
Actually this is what I was getting at initially - it seems of all the Popes that Paul VI did the real damage and the rest of them might be excused by the fact that they erroneously extend infallability to many of his wrong actions.
I think you are right that he wasn't the anti-christ but I think he was certainly in his service.
True, I agree with you.
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And so, the Antichrist will be a human being.
1) St. Bernard believed that for the Antichrist to be so successful with Catholics, he would be a false pope, deceiving them.
2) The SSPX have now separated from the belief of their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre, because he believed you could make the judgment that a papal claimant is not a true pope. The followers of neo-SSPX now live and breathe the opposite, and their children are immersed in it from their most formative years. They now condemn the sedevacantists for "judging" a man to not be a true pope.
The recipe for disaster, mixing 1 & 2. This paves the way for Catholics to hail the final Antichrist as "His Holiness"!
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And so, the Antichrist will be a human being.
1) St. Bernard believed that for the Antichrist to be so successful with Catholics, he would be a false pope, deceiving them.
2) The SSPX have now separated from the belief of their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre, because he believed you could make the judgment that a papal claimant is not a true pope. The followers of neo-SSPX now live and breathe the opposite, and their children are immersed in it from their most formative years. They now condemn the sedevacantists for "judging" a man to not be a true pope.
The recipe for disaster, mixing 1 & 2. This paves the way for Catholics to hail the final Antichrist as "His Holiness"!
The SSPX isn't paving the way for the Anti-Christ. Obviously not everyone in the SSPX is going to be Traditional. I think the few members in the SSPX that think Benedict is such a great Pope are all modernists and therefore non-Traditionalists.
By the way, I believe I read or heard somewhere that the Anti-Christ would perform a miracle to trick people. The Traditionalists will see right through him, though.