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Offline Belloc

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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2010, 09:52:41 AM »
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    I the anti-christ would prefer to be something like a god-emperor. I imagine he would have an anti-pope who would probably be the false prophet, but then it's likely that the false prophet is someone other than an anti-pope and would be some occult leader.


    AC would place one of his own on throne, of the one world religion......
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    « Reply #16 on: July 07, 2010, 02:04:28 PM »
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  • Here's a few things I'd like to point out.

    1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.

    2.- There are rumors that Paul VI was the Anti-Christ but that can't be true. That doesn't mean Paul VI didn't support the religion of the Anti-Christ though. I can't judge what his thoughts were, but his actions indicated he may have very well supported the occult. Then again, it could have been a man who couldn't have qualified as Pope but was planted as Pope anyway. If that was the case, he would have been an Anti-Pope. I guess we won't know until we get to Heaven.
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    « Reply #17 on: July 07, 2010, 02:37:34 PM »
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  • well stated! :applause:
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    « Reply #18 on: July 08, 2010, 07:32:48 AM »
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    1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.

    A true pope cannot be the Antichrist, for sure. But a papal claimant can be the Antichrist, and St. Bernard had good reason to believe the Antichrist will be so, since it is known the Antichrist will be so successfull in leading the majority of Catholics astray.

    What better way to help pave the way for Antichrist than to have the SSPX make a generation of Catholics following them wrongly believe that we cannot judge that a papal claimant is false. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees - even their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre believed that we could judge! The SSPX has even fallen away from the ideals of their founder....inconsistently, still insisting he is a Saint. I have seen on the yahoogroups RomanCatholics list (SSPX) where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.

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    « Reply #19 on: July 08, 2010, 08:15:03 AM »
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    where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.


    Love people when you say something they don't agree with, you are looked at with scorn, or in this example, "kicked off"

    When Anti-Christ appears won't we know by looking at the Jєωs attitude toward him.  I thought they would all hail him, maybe this is why the vatican, (I heard) flies the Jєωιѕн star of David flag.  Does anyone know for sure about that?

    I also read, but do not know if it was truth that one of those false popes did have a Jєωιѕн mother.  For all we know maybe, and I not saying it is so, but maybe we are past all that and now we await the Second Coming of Christ.  

    I wish we knew for sure exactly where we are in the time table of God, but He keeps us suspended.  
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    « Reply #20 on: July 08, 2010, 08:30:09 AM »
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    1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.

    A true pope cannot be the Antichrist, for sure. But a papal claimant can be the Antichrist, and St. Bernard had good reason to believe the Antichrist will be so, since it is known the Antichrist will be so successfull in leading the majority of Catholics astray.

    What better way to help pave the way for Antichrist than to have the SSPX make a generation of Catholics following them wrongly believe that we cannot judge that a papal claimant is false. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees - even their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre believed that we could judge! The SSPX has even fallen away from the ideals of their founder....inconsistently, still insisting he is a Saint. I have seen on the yahoogroups RomanCatholics list (SSPX) where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.


    i will go with earlier and more unified teaching on the AC from earlier Fathers that AC is a Jєωιѕн leader, as Christ was  Jєω,etc...no offense to St. bernard on that, though one may have tosee what was going on isn his life to see why he thought that way, maybe reflecting on the Great Schism, Black Death,etc tended to cloud judgment or some other event like that-today, not got the time to research that on my own......
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    « Reply #21 on: July 08, 2010, 11:53:04 AM »
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    where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.


    Love people when you say something they don't agree with, you are looked at with scorn, or in this example, "kicked off"

    When Anti-Christ appears won't we know by looking at the Jєωs attitude toward him.  I thought they would all hail him, maybe this is why the vatican, (I heard) flies the Jєωιѕн star of David flag.  Does anyone know for sure about that?

    I also read, but do not know if it was truth that one of those false popes did have a Jєωιѕн mother.  For all we know maybe, and I not saying it is so, but maybe we are past all that and now we await the Second Coming of Christ.  

    I wish we knew for sure exactly where we are in the time table of God, but He keeps us suspended.  

    It is dangerous to make that a litmus test for the Antichrist. The real test is simply Catholic doctrine and morals.

    The Jєωs themselves are not unified, so this already throws a monkey wrench into it. I heard there was a Jєωιѕн Rabbi somewhere around Romania during the late 1930's who was going around proclaiming Adolf Hitler as the Jєωιѕн Messias!

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    « Reply #22 on: July 08, 2010, 12:09:14 PM »
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    i will go with earlier and more unified teaching on the AC from earlier Fathers that AC is a Jєωιѕн leader, as Christ was  Jєω,etc...no offense to St. bernard on that, though one may have tosee what was going on isn his life to see why he thought that way, maybe reflecting on the Great Schism, Black Death,etc tended to cloud judgment or some other event like that-today, not got the time to research that on my own......

    Belloc, it is not a teaching, it is a valid opinion. And there can be no offense to St. Bernard, because a man being a Jєω and a false pope is perfectly compatible. Read the article on Antichrist I mentioned. Antichrist will fool most Catholics, and it is reasonable that he would be a false pope, because that is a position that is best suited to fool Catholics.


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    « Reply #23 on: July 08, 2010, 12:47:20 PM »
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  • AC will liekly appoint an antipope, likely one of his running buddies-but AC cannot a Pope, he leads armies and is a politician. Not a cleric, would ape a false Catholic Social order typology....
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    « Reply #24 on: July 08, 2010, 01:31:47 PM »
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    AC will liekly appoint an antipope, likely one of his running buddies-but AC cannot a Pope, he leads armies and is a politician. Not a cleric, would ape a false Catholic Social order typology....

    Belloc, do you know what a false pope is? The Antichrist can be a false pope.

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    « Reply #25 on: July 08, 2010, 02:11:25 PM »
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    1.- No Pope ever has been the Anti-Christ and no Pope ever will be. The Anti-Christ will be a Jєω and will claim to be a Prophet or Christ Himself. He will lead the world into the occult. After he is destroyed the world will end and there will be no more Popes. Christ shall rule forever.

    What better way to help pave the way for Antichrist than to have the SSPX make a generation of Catholics following them wrongly believe that we cannot judge that a papal claimant is false. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees - even their founder, Archbishop Lefebvre believed that we could judge! The SSPX has even fallen away from the ideals of their founder....inconsistently, still insisting he is a Saint. I have seen on the yahoogroups RomanCatholics list (SSPX) where if you even quote Archbishop Lefebvre saying you can judge a pope to be a heretic and non-pope, you may quickly get kicked off the list.


    I dis-agree. The SSPX is not paving the way for the Anti-Christ. Just because they aren't quite as good as they were when LeFebvre was still alive (considering he will be made a saint one day) does not mean they are bad. Where would we be today without LeFebvre and the SSPX?
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    « Reply #26 on: July 08, 2010, 02:14:16 PM »
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    AC will liekly appoint an antipope, likely one of his running buddies-but AC cannot a Pope, he leads armies and is a politician. Not a cleric, would ape a false Catholic Social order typology....

    Belloc, do you know what a false pope is? The Antichrist can be a false pope.


    Key word is CAN. The Anti-Christ CAN be a false Pope, but won't be. I think the Devil being elected as Pope is a bit over the top. That would not possibly be allowed by God. He could declare himself Pope, but he won't actually be elected Pope.
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    « Reply #27 on: July 08, 2010, 10:10:50 PM »
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    The SSPX is not paving the way for the Anti-Christ. Just because they aren't quite as good as they were when LeFebvre was still alive (considering he will be made a saint one day) does not mean they are bad. Where would we be today without LeFebvre and the SSPX?

    Nobody is saying the SSPX was, or is, ALL bad. But it is ecuмenical thinking to look at the positive and ignore the negative. Something can be overall dangerous if it is 90% good and 10% dangerous, especially when it comes to doctrinal dangers. Certainly we can give credit where credit is due historically, unfortunately the SSPX has serious doctrinal errors damaging to the Faith. As an analogy, you can have a nice white shirt, no stains nor wrinkles, but if it smells bad, you simply don't wear it!

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    « Reply #28 on: July 08, 2010, 10:13:28 PM »
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    Key word is CAN. The Anti-Christ CAN be a false Pope, but won't be. I think the Devil being elected as Pope is a bit over the top. That would not possibly be allowed by God. He could declare himself Pope, but he won't actually be elected Pope.

    Where you go wrong is that the Antichrist will be a man, not the Devil. A man can be a false pope, and as St. Bernard believed, the Antichrist can very well be a papal claimant whom the majority follow, but who is really not a true pope.

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    « Reply #29 on: July 08, 2010, 10:43:32 PM »
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    Where you go wrong is that the Antichrist will be a man, not the Devil. A man can be a false pope, and as St. Bernard believed, the Antichrist can very well be a papal claimant whom the majority follow, but who is really not a true pope.


    St. Bernard was awesome.  I was surprised when I learned a little bit more about his life, just like I was when I finally learned that St. Francis wasn't the proto-hippie Uncle Remus flower child as he is portrayed in movies.

    Bernard, as everyone should know, went and got Anacletus II deposed, a "Pope" who didn't even have one fraction of the strikes against him that these Freemasonic stooges of today have.  He also didn't have SSPX to stand in his way and tell him that he couldn't judge the Pope and that he had to stand idly by and let a destroyer ravage everything in sight just because by some technicality he might still have retained the office.

    What a bunch of castrated wusses Catholics have become.  We know these guys in Rome are destroyers, Mason stooges, why do we sit around pretending?  Tell you what -- make me Pope, and I will come up with a reason why they were not Popes, I will sign it into law, and that will be that.  It doesn't matter if it's the Anaphora of Addai and Mari or the Joint Declaration on Justification or their various public unrepented heresies, it's all good, it all works.  

    People like to argue about whether a public heretic can still be Pope, whether Bellarmine or Cajetan was correct, and they will argue about this endlessly.  Okay, make me Pope, and I will define that no, he cannot, siding with Bellarmine.  See how easy it is?  

    The Church is much more flexible than people believe; the laws are made for us, not us for the laws!

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    Back to Antichrist, the problem with your scenario, Patman, is that you don't lose your soul just by following a false Pope.  I think we all agree on that now, though last year I thought if you went to an una cuм Mass you were committing sacrilege.

    JPII was probably born of a Jєω, Emilia Katz, and he definitely had some Anti-Christ qualities -- sat in the temple of God, showed himself as God, it was definitely all about him and his "rock star" persona, though I find his charisma is highly overrated, unless you find smirking monosyllabic polyglots to be impressive.  

    I just don't think that religious liberty and the Anaphora of Addai and Mari are the great wonders of Anti-Christ.  These transgressions surely mean the VII structure is not the Church, but it's not quite enough to reap all the souls that Anti-Christ will reap, since most people don't even understand anything about them, not even enough to be materially heretical.  

    But I still agree with Catholic Samurai, and I had been thinking along these lines myself, that the Anti-Christ will not be a Pope.  I still say it would be galling for the Anti-Christ to have to hide behind the Catholic religion to deceive everyone.  I think he will somehow convince people that the Catholic Church has evolved into whatever he will make it:  The Church of Me, Bob W. Brown Esq. AKA Antichrist.  

    Forgive me if I've said this elsewhere, but I also believe that Satan actually NEEDS the Catholic Restoration to happen, the age of the Monarch.  The Anti-Christ is a false spiritual leader, but we are in a time that is so spiritually dead that people aren't even looking for a false Messiah ( and please don't bring up Obama, no one cares as much as that ).  That means that Satan will have to somehow turn the spiritual fervor of the post-Monarch years to his advantage, and will completely corrupt and derange the majority of people before the advent of Anti-Christ, who will simply collect all the rotten fruit that Satan has already provided for him.  

    More proof that we are not in the time of Antichrist -- for you, Myrna -- is that Elias and Enoch haven't come ( no, Richard Ibranyi doesn't count ).
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