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Offline Cantarella

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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2014, 10:29:54 PM »
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  • Judaism equals to Naturalism and therefore, clearly opposes the Reign of Christ the King, our True Supernatural Messiah. Judaism WILL oppose all influence of the Supernatural Life of the Mystical Body of Christ in society everywhere and at all times as we have seen since the very beginning. The Jєωιѕн nation are a ferment of anti-Christianity because of its ruthless pursuit of the "Messianic" domination of their race throughout the world and their hopes of an earthly kingdom, which is NOT Our Lord's kingdom.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #16 on: August 04, 2014, 02:02:03 AM »
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    It is in the Bible, in the book of Acts.


    Cite it exactly.  Copy and paste the exact sentences that convince you that Jesus Christ's apostles were Judaics.  


    The last time you were online in this thread, it was the afternoon.  

    I will assume that the afternoon is when you get online, and I'll wait until tomorrow for your answer.  Any further silence or doging of my question, and I'll know that you are trying to dodge the facts of this discussion.  
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    Offline CharlesII

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    « Reply #17 on: August 04, 2014, 11:13:18 AM »
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  • Crossbro, you asked where the "anti-semitism" came from and I provided a list of filthy items from the тαℓмυd.  Waiting for your commentary.

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    « Reply #18 on: August 04, 2014, 09:03:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    Judaism equals to Naturalism and therefore, clearly opposes the Reign of Christ the King, our True Supernatural Messiah. Judaism WILL oppose all influence of the Supernatural Life of the Mystical Body of Christ in society everywhere and at all times as we have seen since the very beginning. The Jєωιѕн nation are a ferment of anti-Christianity because of its ruthless pursuit of the "Messianic" domination of their race throughout the world and their hopes of an earthly kingdom, which is NOT Our Lord's kingdom.


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    « Reply #19 on: August 04, 2014, 10:24:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Fr. Fahey

    The results of Jєωιѕн opposition to the Divine Plan may be summed up as follows: "if we know consider the position of the Jєωιѕн nation to the Mystical Body of Christ since Calvary, we shall find it codified and crystallized, so to say, in the тαℓмυd and the Kabbala. The тαℓмυd contains, chiefly but not exclusively, the deviations from the order of the world in regards to the organization of society (social life). The terrible pride of Jєωιѕн race, due to their having lowered and corrupted the idea of the mission to which God has called them, is very visible therein.

    While the тαℓмυd represents the codification of Jєωιѕн opposition to the priesthood of Christ. In the latter, we see chiefly but not exclusively the divagations from order which have arisen among the Jews, with regard to mystical union with God and spiritual life, owing to their persistent want of submission to God and to Jesus Christ Whom He has sent. The refusal to accept the Divine Life offered by Our Lord has resulted in the deification of the natural powers of man. The Kabbala furnishes the key to the Pantheism of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Theosophy, and the other occult societies which promise to reveal the secrets of a higher life to their adepts.  
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


    Offline CharlesII

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    « Reply #20 on: August 05, 2014, 06:26:46 PM »
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  • Crossbro, you are ignoring the contents of the тαℓмυd which I posted.

    Do you prefer to ignore them or do you make excuse for them?

    Here are the samples again:

    “...Jesus shares his place in the Netherworld (hell) with Titus and Balaam, the notorious arch enemies of the Jєωιѕн people. Whereas Titus is punished for the destruction of the Temple by being burned to ashes, reassembled, and burned over and over again, and whereas Balaam is castigated by sitting in hot semen, Jesus’ fate consists of sitting forever in boiling excrement.” —Peter Schäfer, Jesus in the тαℓмυd (Princeton University Press), p. 13. BT Gittin 57a.


    Mary, the Mother of Jesus, was a prostitute. —BT Sanhedrin 106b. BT Sanhedrin 67a. Shabbath 104b.

    All gentile women without exception are: “Niddah, Shifchah, Goyyah and Zonah” (menstrual filth, slaves, heathens and prostitutes).  —BT Sanhedrin 81b - 82a.

    BT Kiddushin 66c: “The best of the gentiles: kill him; the best of snakes: smash its skull; the best of women: is filled with witchcraft.” The uncensored version of this text appears in Tractate Soferim (New York, M. Higer, 1937), 15:7, p. 282.

    Rabbinic authorities decree that a building set aside for actual (rather than feigned) worship of Jesus Christ is a house of avodah zarah.  —Yayin Malchus, 234-237. Minchas Elazar 1:53-3. Yechaveh Da'as 4:45. Darchei Teshuvah 150:2. Tzitz Eliezer 14:91.

    Therefore, when passing a church they utter a curse upon it as follows: “Beis gee'im visach Hashem.” —Birkath ha-Minim, 12th Amidah. BT Berakhot 58b.

    Only Jews are human. Non-Jews are not human. —BT Bava Metzia 114b. BT Kerithoth 6b and 58a.

    Regarding a Jew stealing from a non-Jew, the act is permitted.  — BT Sanhedrin 57a.

    Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circuмvent a gentile.
    —BT Baba Kamma 113a.

    If a Jew is tempted to do evil, he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there. —BT Moed Kattan 17a.  

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    « Reply #21 on: August 06, 2014, 12:52:29 AM »
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    Crossbro, you are ignoring the contents of the тαℓмυd which I posted.


    It is irrelevant to the question.

    Reread the question in the OP.

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    « Reply #22 on: August 06, 2014, 02:24:15 AM »
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  • Crossbro, you artful dodger, you.   :roll-laugh1:


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    « Reply #23 on: August 06, 2014, 03:05:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: crossbro

    Jesus was Jєωιѕн and his mother was Jєωιѕн.

    The entire Bible was authored by Jews.

    Nothing I can recall where Jesus abandoned Judaism.

    So, where does the anti-Semitism from Christians come from ?

    I am just curious.


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    Crossbro, you are ignoring the contents of the тαℓмυd which I posted.


    It is irrelevant to the question.

    Reread the question in the OP.


    Oh, give me a break!  You are so insincere and such a fake.

    You say that Jesus did not abandon Judaism, and you ask why people are "anti-Semitic?"

    People in this thread answer you, telling you exactly what can be found in the тαℓмυd, and you ignore it and pretend that it does not matter.  Judaics follow the тαℓмυd.  We have told you what is in it.  The тαℓмυd is against Christianity.  Blatantly.  Hence, the Christians on this forum are against Judaics.

    Of course, you like to perhaps blur the lines and sort of equate the Judaics' тαℓмυdic beliefs with their ethnicity, hence the passive aggressive slur, accusing critics on here as αnтι-ѕємιтєs.  How convenient to have a word like "Jew" that can be bent to whatever you need it to be.  

    Still waiting for that passage from the book of Acts, by the way.
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    « Reply #24 on: August 06, 2014, 07:35:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    Quote from: crossbro

    Jesus was Jєωιѕн and his mother was Jєωιѕн.

    The entire Bible was authored by Jews.

    Nothing I can recall where Jesus abandoned Judaism.

    So, where does the anti-Semitism from Christians come from ?

    I am just curious.


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    Crossbro, you are ignoring the contents of the тαℓмυd which I posted.


    It is irrelevant to the question.

    Reread the question in the OP.


    Oh, give me a break!  You are so insincere and such a fake.

    You say that Jesus did not abandon Judaism, and you ask why people are "anti-Semitic?"

    People in this thread answer you, telling you exactly what can be found in the тαℓмυd, and you ignore it and pretend that it does not matter.  Judaics follow the тαℓмυd.  We have told you what is in it.  The тαℓмυd is against Christianity.  Blatantly.  Hence, the Christians on this forum are against Judaics.

    Of course, you like to perhaps blur the lines and sort of equate the Judaics' тαℓмυdic beliefs with their ethnicity, hence the passive aggressive slur, accusing critics on here as αnтι-ѕємιтєs.  How convenient to have a word like "Jew" that can be bent to whatever you need it to be.  

    Still waiting for that passage from the book of Acts, by the way.


    I expect Crossbro is shying away from your question because he's relying on quips from protestants and he's already getting a lot of heat for how deep he's mired into protestantism.  I know I've bashed him a lot lately.  But I hope for the sake of his soul that he ceases his curiosity & flirtations with protestantism.  I view him as a casualty of V-II/NO as I myself almost was for a time.

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    « Reply #25 on: August 06, 2014, 07:54:02 AM »
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  • Here is a quote for him, "anti-Semitism is of the Jews"


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    « Reply #26 on: August 06, 2014, 11:01:55 AM »
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  • I asked where the empowerment came from.

    Not quotes from the тαℓмυd.

    Stay on topic.

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    « Reply #27 on: August 06, 2014, 11:23:54 AM »
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  • For you, brethren, are become followers of the churches of God which are in Judea, in Christ Jesus: for you also have suffered the same things from your own coutrymen, even as they have from the Jews, Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men.

    1 Thessalonians 2:14-15

    I know that you are the children of Abraham: but you seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father. They answered, and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus saith to them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the truth to you, which I have heard of God. This Abraham did not.

    You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God. Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded, and came; for I came not of myself, but he sent me: Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. But if I say the truth, you believe me not.
    St John 8:37-45

    Does that answer your question, Crossbro?

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    « Reply #28 on: August 06, 2014, 12:23:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: crossbro

    I asked where the empowerment came from.

    Not quotes from the тαℓмυd.

    Stay on topic.



    Stay on topic?  Are you kidding me?  You are the one straying from your own original post.  Nowhere in your OP do you ask anything about "empowerment."

    You ask:  

    Quote from: crossbro


    So, where does the anti-Semitism from Christians come from ?



    And then you smugly ask:

    Quote from: crossbro


    I am just curious.


    The only place you mention empowerment is in the thread title, in which you ask a question, and then you answer your own question.

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    Anti-Semitism: Where is the empowerment..., ..from Jesus.


    You are evasive and insincere.

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    « Reply #29 on: August 06, 2014, 01:26:31 PM »
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  • To anyone else reading this thread, here is something more substantial.  I doubt crossbro, at this rate, would be interested in reading it, seeing as how details seem too elusive.


    http://www.voxday.blogspot.com/2014/08/and-why-might-that-be.html

    And why might that be?


    Charles Krauthammer, an American Jew, laments the resurgence of world anti-semitism. And yet, neither he nor anyone else ever seems to ask the obvious question: why is it resurging now? Are we expected to believe that it is a complete coincidence that various peoples around the world suddenly appear to have developed, apropos of nothing at all, a sudden and simultaneous dislike for a relatively small group of people?

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    [T]he other problem for Israel has been the inability to win over public opinion around the world. “The rest of the world's reaction to what's happening in Gaza is Orwellian,” Krauthammer said. “It is shocking, especially in Europe. It is a resurgence of anti-Semitism not seen since the `30s, this is a recurrence, it's all over the world, and don't tell me its anti-Zionism. You listen to the slogan, you see the sign, Hitler was right in Germany, a sign in Germany saying that this is a veneer that is a front for anti-Semitism and it is back. It's all over the world. And that's what we're now beginning to face.


    I've been warning of this resurgence for several years now, as I picked up the first signs of it during the 2008 financial crisis. Now that it's being mentioned in the mainstream media, perhaps more people will begin to take the matter seriously. The first thing people have to understand is that emo-posturing and affecting shock and horror accomplishes absolutely nothing. The guilt trip simply doesn't work anymore and it's time to abandon the h0Ɩ0cαųstian dodge. The Shoah wasn't the worstey worstest event in human history; far worse genocides, both in terms of absolute numbers and percentages of the people being targeted, have occurred since. It's not even the worst thing to have happened to the people of Israel in their history, 11/12 being considerably more than half.

    One would do well to reflect upon why the Roman treatment of the Jews was so much harsher than their treatment of nearly every other people they conquered from Britain to Egypt, aside from the Carthaginians. Were the Romans mysteriously anti-semitic too or did the Jews manage to upset them in some manner? Regardless, the fact that nearly everyone with any direct experience of the Endlosung is now dead, combined with the fact that the world is considerably less Eurocentric than it was, means that virtually no one gives a damn about the h0Ɩ0cαųst anymore. That card is played out.

    Try it on the Chinese. Or the Cambodians. You're going to expect tears, cash, and prizes for six million people killed during the biggest war on the planet seven decades ago when the Chinese more recently offed eight times that many of their own people over nothing more than resource allocation and lunatic political theory? Ask the average half-illiterate 80-IQ American public school student about the h0Ɩ0cαųst and he's as likely to think it has something to do with slavery or Palestine as World War II.

    Another American Jew, Richard Cohen, is aware of perspectives changing: "A recent survey by the Pew Research Center found that among Americans age 65 or older, 53 percent blame Hamas for the violence and 15 percent Israel. For those ages 18 to 29, Israel is blamed by 29 percent of those questioned, Hamas by just 21 percent."  

    Second, understand that the resurgence of anti-semitism is happening for a reason. What that reason may be is up for discussion, but not that logic dictates its existence. Anti-semitism can be irrational but it is not always so, and pretending otherwise is both disingenuous and futile. The world knows what Ben Bernanke did last summer, so to speak. The world knows who is funding President Goldman Sachs and it understands why the head of a petty state in the Middle East can tell him off and expect him to fall in line. The world knows that the U.S. Congress is Israeli-occupied territory. The world knows who owns Hollywood, the U.S. media, and the bailed-out banks. The world knows who has been flooding its nations with third-world barbarians who don't even understand the concept of indoor plumbing.

    And the world doesn't like it. Not one little bit. Actions have consequences; the problem is that the consequences are not always proportionate.

    It's absolutely useless to try to continue hiding behind claims of Jєωιѕн wonderfulness, supercapability and work ethos. First, virtually no one buys it. Too many of us know how the game is played; too many of us have seen incompetent, inept, and lazy Jews advanced in tribal fashion over far more capable, competent, and responsible Gentiles. Too many of us observe that Germany and China appear to be doing rather well these days despite lacking the benefit of Jєωιѕн guidance. Second, and much more importantly, no one cares why.

    Does this mean that I endorse this rising tide of anti-semitism? No, of course not, otherwise I wouldn't have warned Jews of it in the first place. If I were anti-semitic, I would smile like a helpful SS-Totenkopfverbände officer meeting a train and tell every nervous Krauthammer and Cohen on board not to worry, everything is just fine, everything is in order, isn't it shocking that some of those terrible animals in the Holy Land can't seem to get over their irrational hatreds of your wonderful people!

    But I understand why the hatred exists and I know that it is, to a certain extent, merited. It observably is. Jews don't have to like that fact, they don't even have to accept it, but they will have to deal with it nevertheless. And I also suspect that the growing hatred is going to get out of hand as the global economy worsens, that the innocent will be caught up in the angry tide along with the red-handed guilty.

    The idea that post-nationalism and demographic divide-and-conquer would make the Jews in America safer was intrinsically wrong, as wrong as the idea that amassing vast wealth and political influence serves as an effective form of community protection for a small minority. People like helpless refugees. People rather like grateful immigrants who settle quietly in their own communities and gradually integrate over time. People hate rich people who tell them what to do. And people really, really hate rich and powerful foreigners with supremacy complexes who tell them what to do while settling criminally-inclined aliens in their neighborhoods.

    In successfully attacking the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant nature of America, Jews destroyed the American exceptionalism that offered them protection. Now that it is essentially gone, Jews have not only lost a reliable Gentile shield against global anti-semitism, but aside from Christian Zionists like Sarah Palin who fly the flag of Israel in their churches, the white Anglo-Saxons who previously defended them are no longer much inclined to do so. And, contra Spengler, I very much doubt that the Chinese are likely to serve as an adequate substitute for white American Christians. Reflect on what the Han have done to the peaceful, harmless people of Tibet and then think about how well they are likely respond to tribal gamesmanship.

    You can argue if you like. You can call me names if you like. You'll hardly be the first. But look at it logically: if anti-semitism is like the weather or cancer, then the world will just have to suffer it forever without much hope of anything changing until such time as the Jews finally go the way of the Amalekites. My perspective is actually the optimistic one, because if the rise in anti-semitism is largely a rational reaction to material Jєωιѕн actions, it should be possible to avoid its most dangerous forms, outside of those implacable sentiments genuinely inspired by the ongoing territorial conflict in the Middle East.

    If you seek pro-Israeli propaganda, you'll have to go elsewhere. If you wish to read anti-semitic rantings, this isn't the place to find them. On this controversial subject, as with all others, I am only interested in the truth and its probable ramifications for the future. If I am incorrect, by all means, feel free to show me how and I will modify my thinking. But if you have nothing but groundless assertions and fervent personal opinions to offer, you needn't bother.
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle