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Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2019, 05:12:10 PM »
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  • BTW BTNYC, could you take a stab at my question, about hatred of Jews possibly not being a sin but covered under righteous hatred?

    The Psalms speak of hating the Lord's enemies with a perfect hatred. I don't see how anyone fits the "God's enemies" bill better than the Synagogue of Satan.

    I'm hard pressed to think of a more righteous man than St. John Chrysostom. I'll side with him over Abe Foxman any day of the week.

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #31 on: March 16, 2019, 05:14:31 PM »
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  • The "Jews" of today are not semitic, therefore one cannot be anti-semitic against them.

    Quite so! By virtue of my Maltese ancestry, I'm much more of a "Semite" than any of these Khazar phonies.

    Anyway, we all know the real definition of "Anti-Semite" - Someone the Jews hate.


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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #32 on: March 16, 2019, 05:27:31 PM »
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  • The "Poche is a challenge to us" theory is one I've never bought. The other proselytizing heretics I mentioned fit that bill infinitely better: Icterus because he was actually intelligent and more or less intellectually honest when engaged in debate, and Trickster Bruce because he at least gave lip service to the notion that he was willing to learn about Catholic Tradition. Poche, on the other hand, has never shown that willingness, and, worse, refuses to answer directly or clearly when faced with a question that endangers the narratives he propagates (case in point, despite his regular spanning of the forum with the "whoever exalts race" passage from Mit Brennender Sorge, he refuses to ever respond directly and honestly when someone asks if he agrees with the encyclical's acknowledgment that race is a "fundamental value of the human community" with a "necessary and honorable... function in worldly things," or if he recognizes that the Jews are especially guilty of "exalting race above its standard value").

    Icterus and Trickster, furthermore, didn't artificially hike up their post counts with copy-paste human interest fluff from Yahoo News or interminable updates on whatever "butter and cheese-soaked" atrocity they'd been subjecting their colons to. In that alone, they demonstrated more good will on this forum than Poche ever has. They too "generated activity" and yet, they were banned within a month. And Poche? Well, this gives one a sense of how long he's been a problem around here: https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/ban-poche/

    Poche suddenly appeared on Cathinfo (and Fisheaters, CAF, etc.) in the summer of 2012 and has been shilling on behalf of modernism unabated ever since (though FE, to their credit, eventually banned him). He has racked up a post count on the various forums that numbers into the tens of thousands.

    For the record, I am 100% convinced he's a Novus Ordo "priest" or "deacon" whose "vocation" is conversion of us wayward Trads to the waiting arms of the Church of the New Springtime. His very moniker "poche" - an architectural term that refers to the black spaces in a building plan that denote solid areas of the structure which are concealed behind walls - implies hiddenness and subterfuge (though its allusion to Poche's thickheadedness is particularly apt).

    Anyway, it looks like he's here to stay, so break out your guitars and tambourines:

    I don't disagree with any of that, though I don't think it's to FE's credit that he was banned, as it undoubtedly wasn't for the best reasons but purely because of his monotony, as the owner VoxClamantis is a Judaizer and tranny/homo promoter.

    Interesting that poche is an architectural term and its meaning, as I don't think anyone else has ever pointed that out.

    I posted on that thread you linked to under my former handle Hatchc and I still agree with the sentiment expressed, in that poche is such an obvious troll that I don't care that much if he isn't banned, not that I wouldn't like him to be.

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #33 on: March 16, 2019, 10:51:34 PM »
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  • One mortal sin committed by the soul of a traditional Catholic, a chosen soul who should know who Jesus is an should love Jesus above all else, causes more pain to Jesus than the outrages of the infidels who don't know Him.  

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #34 on: March 16, 2019, 11:49:06 PM »
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  • Matthew -
    Poche, for the umpteenth time in his many years here, is trying to subvert Traditional Catholics on a Traditional Catholic forum. Once again, under the cover of "charity," he is attempting to undermine the Traditional Catholic position on the Jews with threats of Hellfire.

    You banned others - Icterus and Trickster spring to mind - for less egregious attempts at "converting" us. Please ban the proselytizing Modernist heretic Poche, or at least explain why he will not be banned.

    Thank you.
    While I would love nothing more than to see that there should be no need for there to be a resistance to a reconciliation between the SSPX and the Holy See, I want no one to agree to, or sign anything that would go against their conscience.
    I want no one to be converted to anything other than to the Catholic Faith.
    With respect to the Jews, I join you in your criticism of their theological errors. The problem with your promotion of gratuitous hatred of the Jews is that it promotes an atmosphere of mutual hatred. We stand stand at one corner and stare daggers at them and they stand in another corner and stare daggers at us. This atmosphere of hatred creates an ambiance of serious misunderstanding among them as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches and believes. Anything that we do which culpably prevents someone else from coming to Christ, any barrier which we present to other people, not just the Jews, but any of the non believers, will have to be answered for to God on the day of judgement.
    I want everyone to come to know and love Jesus and his holy Mother in the fullness and truth that is the Catholic Faith and I invite you to join me in praying for the conversion of our nation to that fullness of the Faith that is the Catholic Faith. 


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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #35 on: March 16, 2019, 11:58:27 PM »
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  • St John Chrysostom died in exile after a long forced march. One wonders how much of this earthly Purgatory he could have avoided if he had been a bit milder.
    Milder? By your standards, yes. Today's "modern standards" where people are getting fired from their jobs because some pink-haired Berkeley communist shylock who "identifies" as an Apache helicopter heard the word "faggot", or "white" from three states away and screamed about it on Twitter.

    These "modern standards" that exist only because the powers that be want to eradicate Christianity and any remaining sense of morals from the public eye, like in the image below.

    St. John Chrysostom had no need to be milder to anyone. To wimp out before Our Lord to His killers would be a complete insult before Him... especially, when, Poche, we must be honest here, the same people that St. John speaks about in his homilies are the same people that have caused society to turn anti-European, anti-Catholic and anti-natural law in the first place.

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #36 on: March 17, 2019, 01:24:17 AM »
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  • One mortal sin committed by the soul of a traditional Catholic, a chosen soul who should know who Jesus is an should love Jesus above all else, causes more pain to Jesus than the outrages of the infidels who don't know Him.  

    That's a quotation from St. Basil you're responding to.

    Do you imply we should we defer to Poche of Cathinfo over St. Basil the Great?

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #37 on: March 17, 2019, 01:25:17 AM »
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  • I think that the followers of Pope St Pius X should follow in his spirit in relation to other people. Hold firm to the Catholic Faith, and with charity for everyone.

    Why won't he answer a yes or no question, my friends?


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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #38 on: March 17, 2019, 01:28:24 AM »
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  • St John Chrysostom died in exile after a long forced march. One wonders how much of this earthly Purgatory he could have avoided if he had been a bit milder.

    BLASPHEMY. Anathema sit.




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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #39 on: March 17, 2019, 07:48:35 AM »
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  • the accursed ones sealed him, that hero within a grave----- Sunday matins st Ephraim

    They will be beaten by Satan as just punishment for the sin of beating Jesus------ Origen


    they surpassed even the sins of Sodom----St Athanasius

    they make even the pathway of salvation an occasion for their souls ruin-----St. Cyril of Alexandria
    قامت مريم، ترتيل وفاء جحا و سلام جحا

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #40 on: March 17, 2019, 10:31:15 AM »
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    Since this wicked generation did not know that it should repent, but daily became more wicked, its last state was worse than its first ... The evil and adulterous generation of the Jews were to be condemned because of their hard and unrepentant hearts. ~ St. Bruno


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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #41 on: March 18, 2019, 02:05:26 AM »
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  • The holy Fathers spoke justly and they knew to speak firmly when necessary. But they also knew to speak kindly and lovingly, and thus several Jews did convert to Christianity. St. Justin Martyr in his Dialogue with Trypho the Jew is one example, can be read here -

    http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0128.htm

    Pope St. Gregory the Great is another example, the Pope who gave us Gregorian Chant and one of only 4 Popes in history to have been acclaimed "the Great, he knew to be both firm where needed and kind when necessary. "For it is necessary to gather those who are at odds with the Christian religion the unity of faith by meekness, by kindness, by admonishing, by persuading, lest these...should be repelled by threats and terrors. They ought, therefore, to come together to hear from you the Word of God in a kindly frame of mind, rather than stricken with dread, result of a harshness that goes beyond due limits." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I_and_Judaism

    St. Bernard is another example, there was a fanatical preacher he restrained who was preaching real hatred and saying all Jews were to be arbitrarily killed; St. Bernard controverted this in various ways and St. Bernard was right. Only whenever Jesus and Mary were blasphemed, as in the blasphemous Talmud which was rightly burned, Church authorities were justly severe. Jews and other non-Christians who lived among Christians needed (1) not to blaspheme Jesus, Mary or the Saints; (2) to live at peace with Christians without conspiring violence against them. Those were the conditions. Pope Innocent III outlined this in a letter, "

    "As Cain was a wanderer and an outcast, not to be killed by anyone but marked with the sign of fear on his forehead, so the Jews . . . against whom the voice of the blood of Christ cries out . . . although they are not to be killed they must always be dispersed as wanderers upon the face of the earth ... Although Christian piety tolerates the Jews . . . whose own fault commits them to perpetual slavery . . . and allows them to continue with us (even though the Moors will not tolerate them), they must not be allowed to remain ungrateful to us in such a way as to repay us with contumely for favors and contempt for our familiarity. They are admitted to our familiarity only through our mercy" http://www.talmudunmasked.com/appendix.htm

    What later happened in the Jewish role in promoting Freemasonry and Bolshevism shows how just the Church's restraints were and what would happen without it. St. Maximillian Maria Kolbe was well aware of the Judeo-Masonic plans; nevertheless he said to helpless Jews who were pleading for help, as a contemporary of his related, “When Jews came to me asking for a piece of bread, I asked Father Maximilian if I could give it to them in good conscience, and he answered me, ‘Yes, it is necessary to do this because all men are our brothers” And Pope Pius XII also did the same; that's because Jesus said all will know we are His disciples when we love one another. The Talmudists don't care if millions of innocent people die along with their schemes including even Jews themselves. We are different.

    The Catechism of Trent teaches us the duty to love our neighbor extends to all without exception; these Saints knew it and lived it. It also tells us to focus inward, because every mortal sin we commit is like a new killing of Christ in us. This is what the Lord taught also. The modern world is wrong to make light of Deicide as if it were nothing. But we Christians know the solution is for us to become holy, witness to them about the love of Christ, and strive by the grace of God to convert and win them over to His cause. Nothing else.

    The Jewish Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. because of the sin of the Jewish people and priests against Christ.

    In the end, as St. Bernard and other Fathers and Doctors say, they will be converted to Christ. That probably coincides with the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the conversion of many nations to the Church.
    Do make Acts of Consecration to the Twin Hearts, Spiritual Offerings of the Precious Blood of Jesus in Union with the Holy Mass, like in St. Gertrude's Chaplet, along with Spiritual Communions at least every hour. The Saints say Spiritual Communions are a way to quickly advance to Union with God.

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #42 on: March 18, 2019, 04:33:08 AM »
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  • A good post, Xavier.

    The final paragraph

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    In the end, as St. Bernard and other Fathers and Doctors say, they will be converted to Christ. That probably coincides with the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the conversion of many nations to the Church.
    We are to pray earnestly for many more Jews to convert but St Paul tells us in Romans 9: [27] And Isaias crieth out concerning Israel: If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved.

    [27] "A remnant": That is, a small number only of the children of Israel shall be converted and saved. How perversely is this text quoted for the salvation of men of all religions, when it speaks only of the converts of the children of Israel!
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    And this is what we see in reality, sadly, a small number. Maybe we are not praying enough for more to be saved.
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    Paul goes on to say:
    [31] But Israel, by following after the law of justice, is not come unto the law of justice.  [32] Why so? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were of works. For they stumbled at the stumblingstone. [33] As it is written: Behold I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and a rock of scandal; and whosoever believeth in him shall not be confounded.
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    Those works referred to, it tells us in a note elsewhere in the Epistle, and not "good works" but works of the law, ie slavishly following the letter of the law.

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
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    The Jews knew that Christ was the son of David. And even now they hope for His Coming. It is hidden from them that He has come, but it is hidden because they willed it so. For, not acknowledging Him on the cross, the knowledge of Him reigning in glory should not be theirs ... Why are the Jews hoping for what has already come, and not fearful for what is to come? For Our Lord Jesus Christ ... referred Himself as "the Stone" (Matthew xxi.44), that whoever stumbles upon it shall be bruised; but upon whom it shall fall, it will grind to powder ... Lying on the ground, it shakes whoever falls over it; coming from on high, it crushes the proud. The Jews have already been shaken by their previous stumble. What awaits them is to be crushed by His Coming. ~ St. Augustine

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #44 on: March 18, 2019, 10:38:31 AM »
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  • The prophet Zacharias tells us most Jews will get exterminated, and the few survivors will convert to the true Lord Jesus Christ.

    Zacharias 13:8-9
    8 And there shall be in all the earth, saith the Lord, two parts in it shall be scattered, and shall perish: but the third part shall be left therein.
    9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined: and I will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say: Thou art my people: and they shall say: The Lord is my God.

    Haydock Catholic Bible commentary:
    Ver. 8. Third. The greatest part of mankind will be lost. (Haydock) --- The few Jews who embrace the faith will be absorbed in the Gentile converts, and suffered to live, though proved by persecutions, while the rest shall be exterminated. Both shall lose their name, and be styled Christians. (Calmet) --- Those who adhere to Judaism, or to paganism, cannot be saved. This is the privilege only of Christian Catholics, who live piously, and are selected by God's grace. (Worthington)
    Ver. 9. Fire. The Church was persecuted during the first centuries; but always became more pure, and the blood of martyrs increased her numbers. (Calmet) --- She faithfully adhered to God. (Haydock) --- The Jews say this will not take place at last: "but we assert that it is already accomplished." (St. Jerome)

    Any Jew reading this comment, ask your rabbi about this prophesy. He will tell you with discomfort that it's a prophesy about most of the Jews getting wiped out by God's punishment.  He will tell you the few survivors will come to know and worship the true Lord God, but what your rabbi refuses to know, right now, is the true Lord God is Jesus Christ. Only until you Jews get crushed by the return of Jesus Christ ( "the Stone", Matthew 21:44) will you realize He is the only true Lord, and the few survivors will finally convert.

     

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