Author Topic: Anti Popes (Read 1047 times)

Malleus 01 · « **on:** June 07, 2012, 09:56:54 AM »

According to New Advent - here is a list of Anti Popes (Certainly not all inclusive.)

A false claimant of the Holy See in opposition to a pontiff canonically elected. At various times in the history of the Church illegal pretenders to the Papal Chair have arisen, and frequently exercised pontifical functions in defiance of the true occupant. Hergenröther enumerates thirty in the following order:

Hippolytus (?), III century
Novatian, 251
Felix II, 355-365
Ursicinus, 366-367
Eulalius, 418-419
Laurentius, 498-501
Constantine II, 767
Philip, VIII century
Anastasius, 855
Leo VIII, 956-963
Boniface VII, 974
John XVI, X century
Gregory, 1012
Sylvester III, 1044
Benedict X, 1058
Honorius II, 1061-72
Guibert or Clement III, 1080-1100
Theodoric, 1100
Aleric, 1102
Maginulf, 1105
Burdin (Gregory VIII), 1118
Anacletus II, 1130-38
Victor IV, 1159-64
Pascal III, 1164-68
Calixtus III, 1168-77
Innocent III, 1178-80
Nicholas V, 1328-30
Robert of Geneva (Clement VII), 20 September, 1378 to 16 September, 1394
Amadeus of Savoy (Felix V), November, 1439 to April, 1449

Now an Anti Pope is distinguished from a False Pope in that in the case of an Anti Pope there is a legitimate Pope simlutaneously. However - today due to the Nature of the Heresy of Modernism and the Global goals of the Progressive movement - we currently have a situation where we should at least question the Validity of the Post Vatican II Claimants mainly because of the numerous questionable actions we have all witnessed that have resulted in the SSPX Movement and the Sedevacantist Movement.

I pose the question - Why are some of us so quick to assume that an Anti Pope or False Pope cannot usurp the Papacy in Our Time?

Matthew 7 15 to 20 clearly states that we are to beware of False Prophets. St Paul likewise exhorts us to not entertain prelates who bring us doctrine not in keeping with the Doctrine he Brings. With all these warnings - why do people think that Catholics today have to have blind obedience?

LordPhan · « **Reply #1 on:** June 07, 2012, 10:33:17 AM »

Quote from: Malleus 01

According to New Advent - here is a list of Anti Popes (Certainly not all inclusive.)

A false claimant of the Holy See in opposition to a pontiff canonically elected. At various times in the history of the Church illegal pretenders to the Papal Chair have arisen, and frequently exercised pontifical functions in defiance of the true occupant. Hergenröther enumerates thirty in the following order:

Hippolytus (?), III century
Novatian, 251
Felix II, 355-365
Ursicinus, 366-367
Eulalius, 418-419
Laurentius, 498-501
Constantine II, 767
Philip, VIII century
Anastasius, 855
Leo VIII, 956-963
Boniface VII, 974
John XVI, X century
Gregory, 1012
Sylvester III, 1044
Benedict X, 1058
Honorius II, 1061-72
Guibert or Clement III, 1080-1100
Theodoric, 1100
Aleric, 1102
Maginulf, 1105
Burdin (Gregory VIII), 1118
Anacletus II, 1130-38
Victor IV, 1159-64
Pascal III, 1164-68
Calixtus III, 1168-77
Innocent III, 1178-80
Nicholas V, 1328-30
Robert of Geneva (Clement VII), 20 September, 1378 to 16 September, 1394
Amadeus of Savoy (Felix V), November, 1439 to April, 1449

Now an Anti Pope is distinguished from a False Pope in that in the case of an Anti Pope there is a legitimate Pope simlutaneously. However - today due to the Nature of the Heresy of Modernism and the Global goals of the Progressive movement - we currently have a situation where we should at least question the Validity of the Post Vatican II Claimants mainly because of the numerous questionable actions we have all witnessed that have resulted in the SSPX Movement and the Sedevacantist Movement.

I pose the question - Why are some of us so quick to assume that an Anti Pope or False Pope cannot usurp the Papacy in Our Time?

Matthew 7 15 to 20 clearly states that we are to beware of False Prophets. St Paul likewise exhorts us to not entertain prelates who bring us doctrine not in keeping with the Doctrine he Brings. With all these warnings - why do people think that Catholics today have to have blind obedience?

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MyrnaM · « **Reply #2 on:** June 07, 2012, 11:16:33 AM »

Yes, but the difference even that list of anti-popes, they never changed the teachings of Christ, doctrines, dogmas, they were not Masons, but Catholics.

Today we have "popes" that are dumbing down the Church, with novelties, strange teachings, interfaith (harlot) AND omissions of truth.

Conciliar "popes" are not even worthy of calling them anti-popes, because they are not any sort of pope at all, but instead wolves in sheep's clothing. The sedevacantist sees them as only wolves.

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 07, 2012, 01:57:57 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

Yes, but the difference even that list of anti-popes, they never changed the teachings of Christ, doctrines, dogmas, they were not Masons, but Catholics.

Today we have "popes" that are dumbing down the Church, with novelties, strange teachings, interfaith (harlot) AND omissions of truth.

Conciliar "popes" are not even worthy of calling them anti-popes, because they are not any sort of pope at all, but instead wolves in sheep's clothing. The sedevacantist sees them as only wolves.

Well said and I agree. We see that Anti Popes who we know were not the holders of the Chair of St Peter - being admitted to have occurred but then today we see a far worse situation where False Popes (Alledgedly) are actually damaging the Faith of Catholics worldwide instead of protecting Orthodoxy.

So why is it that so many Novus Ordos - cannot see the obvious.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #4 on:** June 07, 2012, 02:27:43 PM »

I honestly feel that deep down, they know, but they are comfortable where they are right now. Who knows maybe this crisis with SSPX will be or is the action that will force them to decide the truth of Rome.

I also do not feel that when we stand before God, He will ask us what we believed about the conciliar "popes", I think the questions might be...
"What did you do with your life"? "Did you keep the Faith"? How?

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 07, 2012, 04:19:34 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

I honestly feel that deep down, they know, but they are comfortable where they are right now. Who knows maybe this crisis with SSPX will be or is the action that will force them to decide the truth of Rome.

I also do not feel that when we stand before God, He will ask us what we believed about the conciliar "popes", I think the questions might be...
"What did you do with your life"? "Did you keep the Faith"? How?

Well said. I agree.