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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Anti-pope John XXIII
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2021, 01:36:29 AM »
…What does the FBI have to do with the Catholic Church hierarchy? The Federal Bureau of Investigation, of ONE COUNTRY (USA) has no jurisdiction in internal Vatican government matters.…
When has legal jurisdiction ever kept ZOG from doing whatever to whomever they want?

The Dept. of State Memorandum I posted above is clear evidence of meddling in conclaves.

Why would we imagine the meddling ceases once the conclave is over?

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Anti-pope John XXIII
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2021, 04:43:49 AM »
Here's your first research lead:



All this does is beg more questions.

"From Rome" - Who in Rome?
"To Secretary of State" - Which one?
"Vatican source expresses personal view next pope will be elected outside of conclave." - Really? Who on earth wants to research some unknown person's personal opinion?
"Speculating on Pius XII's successor, source said college may well chose an old cardinal..."  - Do tell.

 This is all there has ever been to researching this matter - a big nothing burger. 

Not knowing he was perpetrating it, the pioneering faithful in the 60s sought to petition PPVI to fix the atrocities that were happening within the Church, but once they discovered that he was the perpetrator, there were all kinds of theories having to do with the real pope being taken prisoner and replaced.

What did that theory accomplish? Well it was another aid to the malevolent purposes of the enemy because what it actually accomplished was to add controversy, disagreements, factions, confusion, and disquietude into the chaos of the day among the already confused faithful. Seeing this is all it was doing, the theory died after only a few years - as should the Siri theory since, amazingly enough, it still only accomplishes the same thing.
  


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Anti-pope John XXIII
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2021, 04:49:16 AM »
I've wondered about that myself.  My pet theory is that they view themselves, as cardinals, as being somehow "above the law", or that they presume to "dispense themselves" from that requirement.
You could be right, but is there any record of what happened within any other conclaves? Far as that goes, is there any record of what happened in PJXXIII conclave? All I've ever seen is speculations and opinions from unnamed sources making some pretty crazy claims that are impossible to ever substantiate.

Re: Anti-pope John XXIII
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2021, 08:11:20 AM »
I've never jumped on this particular bandwagon, but haven't there been posts here within the last year or so regarding possible connections between the US government and the Vatican?  If so, why would the FBI connection in the OP be so impossible?

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Anti-pope John XXIII
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2021, 08:21:19 AM »
It's not that it would be impossible imo, it's that there's no evidence of it - at least not that I've ever seen. The whole idea is based on nothing but conjecture.