Author Topic: Anti -pope Frances Blessing (Read 1568 times)

Binechi · « **on:** January 04, 2014, 06:47:32 PM »

Has anyone else notice when Anti pope f, gives a blessing , its not really a blessing at all. He probably knows that he has not power to do anything

I notice because when I was in the Navy and had gotten a trip to Rome, We were able to catch PPXII in his residence, and he came to what appeared to be the same window, and gave a sign of the crosss to the whole crowd.

This guy goes out of his way NOT to give a blessing sign, I guess so as not to offend anyone of his earthly friends. This guy is a Joke...

Comments ...?

Memento · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2014, 09:53:56 PM »

That's an interesting observation.

Up until just now, I thought Francis was just giving a "wave"!

You are correct, it does not resemble most of the images of Pope Pius XII giving a blessing. There are one or two images in which Pope Pius XII holds his hand in a modified blessing, but those images never give the appearance of a "wave". A word that describes Pope Pius XII is "dignified."

Who knows why Francis blesses that way, but some here have applied the name "Casual Frank" to him. That sure applies to his blessing gesture.

Sigismund · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2014, 09:59:39 PM »

I have seen many Latin and Byzantine rite priests make very lazy signs of the cross when blessing. It may be as you suggest, but he may also just be lazy. I think the man is pope, but I have to admit that liturgical laziness is certainly his modus operandi. Or excuse me, mode of operation. Can't have any of that old fashioned Latin.

Binechi · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2014, 04:45:16 AM »

Correct me if I am wrong , but isn t a Blesseing a Sacramental ?

I was always told that a blessing from a Priest is a very special and Holy thing. How much more would it be from a Valid Pope.

As they said back when Vat II came in, about the new questional Popes at the time.. "He may be a Pope of the New Church, but he is no Pope of the Catholic Church.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2014, 05:43:15 AM »

Quote from: Director

Correct me if I am wrong , but isn t a Blesseing a Sacramental ?

I was always told that a blessing from a Priest is a very special and Holy thing. How much more would it be from a Valid Pope.

As they said back when Vat II came in, about the new [questionable] Popes at the time.. "He may be a Pope of the New Church, but he is no Pope of the Catholic Church.

You're not wrong, Director, a blessing is a sacramental, just as making the sign of the cross with holy water is a sacramental, and genuflecting is a sacramental. But they're not sacraments. They are a vehicle of grace, depending on various things, especially disposition, faith, state of grace and intention, but also fervor, devotion, humility, example, consequence, environment, witnesses, present danger, pain, mortification, will power, knowledge, reservations, fear, responsibility, frequency, aspect, habit, passion, consciousness, attitude and speed.

There are only a few ways for a bishop to give a proper blessing but there are a myriad ways for him to give a blessing IMPROPERLY.

It has been said that when the priest turns around during Mass and says, "Dominus vobiscuм," if we were able to see the graces that flow out onto the people present at that moment, it would be sufficient to provide us joy for an entire lifetime, in all manner of difficulty and strife. All the angels gathered around the altar bow in recognition of this august reality, but it's generally invisible to us mortals present.

The manner and aspect and habitual nature of the so-called blessings of Francis are a scandal for the entire world, and I dare say he is calling down God's wrath upon us with his sloppy and quasi-blasphemous mannerisms.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2014, 05:48:24 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

I have seen many Latin and Byzantine rite priests make very lazy signs of the cross when blessing. It may be as you suggest, but he may also just be lazy. I think the man is pope, but I have to admit that liturgical laziness is certainly his modus operandi. Or excuse me, mode of operation. Can't have any of that old fashioned Latin.

Modus Operandi = M.O.

Frances · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2014, 07:49:56 AM »

:dancing-banana:
What??? I am now the (anti)Pope??? FrancEs and FrancIs are NOT the same! Too bad. I'd be making some changes!!!

Binechi · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2014, 09:51:09 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Director
Correct me if I am wrong , but isn t a Blesseing a Sacramental ?

I was always told that a blessing from a Priest is a very special and Holy thing. How much more would it be from a Valid Pope.

As they said back when Vat II came in, about the new [questionable] Popes at the time.. "He may be a Pope of the New Church, but he is no Pope of the Catholic Church.

You're not wrong, Director, a blessing is a sacramental, just as making the sign of the cross with holy water is a sacramental, and genuflecting is a sacramental. But they're not sacraments. They are a vehicle of grace, depending on various things, especially disposition, faith, state of grace and intention, but also fervor, devotion, humility, example, consequence, environment, witnesses, present danger, pain, mortification, will power, knowledge, reservations, fear, responsibility, frequency, aspect, habit, passion, consciousness, attitude and speed.

There are only a few ways for a bishop to give a proper blessing but there are a myriad ways for him to give a blessing IMPROPERLY.

It has been said that when the priest turns around during Mass and says, "Dominus vobiscuм," if we were able to see the graces that flow out onto the people present at that moment, it would be sufficient to provide us joy for an entire lifetime, in all manner of difficulty and strife. All the angels gathered around the altar bow in recognition of this august reality, but it's generally invisible to us mortals present.

The manner and aspect and habitual nature of the so-called blessings of Francis are a scandal for the entire world, and I dare say he is calling down God's wrath upon us with his sloppy and quasi-blasphemous mannerisms.

.

Binechi · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2014, 10:01:31 AM »

pushed the wrong button,, sorry,,

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The manner and aspect and habitual nature of the so-called blessings of Francis are a scandal for the entire world, and I dare say he is calling down God's wrath upon us with his sloppy and quasi-blasphemous mannerisms.

Neil,,, Thanks for the lesson on "Blessings', appreciated...

Question for you and possible any others out there,

, "Do you hold to the person sitting in the chair in Rome to be the Pope of the Catholic Church ..??

If not , then who is he, or better yet, "What is he" ??

Binechi · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2014, 10:05:20 AM »

Quote from: Frances

:dancing-banana:
What??? I am now the (anti)Pope??? FrancEs and FrancIs are NOT the same! Too bad. I'd be making some changes!!!

OOps ,,, Sorry ,,, where might you stand on the last to Neil on the person sitting the chair in Rome, called 'Francis",,, (got it right that time : )

StCeciliasGirl · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2014, 01:44:30 PM »

The paw in the air.

Director, it doesn't matter who he is; he has nothing more to do with Catholics than Joel Osteen or Obama. If he draws blades, I suppose he's another enemy of the Church, but there have been many of those before. Last one? Who knows. (Well, God would know, of course.)

Happy 12th Day, Unto us is born a little Child!

And may we all prepare for a blessed Eve of the Solemnity of our Lord's Epiphany.

We have no Mass due to inclement weather here, but we're going to prepare a little cake! Might do the bean thing, but right now more in prayer for people out of power in this freezing weather.

Frances · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2014, 01:53:39 PM »

:dancing-banana:
FrancIs indeed sits in the Chair. Whether he be pope or even Catholic I do not determine. His words and actions are neither. I think he is like Caiphas; seated in the Chair of Moses, but as one disapproved by God the Father.

TKGS · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2014, 02:36:39 PM »

Anyone have a youtube video link of what this discussion is about? I can't say I've ever seen Bergoglio's blessings.

2Vermont · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2014, 07:20:47 PM »

I don't know what his blessings look like, but this topic reminded me of one of his very first questionable moments when he imparted a blessing on a group of journalists in March, 2013:

I told you I was cordially imparting my blessing. Since many of you are not members of the Catholic Church, and others are not believers, I cordially give this blessing silently, to each of you, respecting the conscience of each, but in the knowledge that each of you is a child of God.

IllyricumSacrum · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2014, 11:39:46 PM »

Not sure if it was Compton's book, but I recall reading about the way Roncalli gave his blessings. It was not the form of the Cross but a pagan or Masonic symbol but fairly well camouflaged.