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Author Topic: May 1, 2026, Question / Answers re: Consecrations, 2026 AD. Fr. J.M. Gleize -AI  (Read 120 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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I can confirm this grave deficiency at STAS. I was at Winona at the same time as Lad and this is 100% true.

However, I would point out that in our day at Winona, not all seminarians were educated or mature enough to formulate and hold opinions on ecclesiological matters. I assume that these conditions at the new STAS are today even worse than 35 to 40 years ago.

Yes, that's true.  But ... I don't believe I myself would have been educated enough to formulate a solid opinion on some of these matters, but there would have been nothing like debate to help with said education.

I think that many of us entered with just a Traditional catechesis level of knowledge, having rejected the Conciliar Church mostly based on our "sensus Catholicus".

BUT ... when we start learning, oh, Catholic ecclesiology ... some of us find it difficult to maintain what's in those theological texts and the public / official SSPX position at the same time.

Yes, many wouldn't have been intelligent enough to even recognize that there's a contradiction, and others still somehow compartmentalized the two and maintained a cognitive dissonance.

So, for instance, we all studied the pre-Vatican II Encyclicals with great reverence, precisely with the attitude we SHOULD have in receiving the teaching of a Catholic pope.  BUT ... then, if one of the Conciliar papal claimants issued an Encyclical, the attitude was the Reaganesque ... "there he goes again" and "what error and garbage is he going to 'teach' this time?"

So why the difference in attitude?  Is it just accidental?  Just because ... the pre-V2 Popes happened to get things right, but the post-V2 ones happened to be wrong.  OK, then ... what says the prior popes didn't get it wrong and then the post-V2 Popes didn't make some needed correctoins to the prior mistakes?

That too involves a compartmentalization, where you view the pre-Vatican II Magisterium with, say, one half of your brain, and then in another half of your brain, it's a radically different approach and attitude to the Conciliars.  But if the latter are actually Catholic Popes, there's absolutely no reason that we shouldn't have the same attitude toward them.

Offline Ladislaus

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Why have not the conscecrandi not been announced yet publicly? Msgr. Lefebvre announced his four candidates far in advance of June 30, 1988.

Maybe they're afraid that the Conciliars would αssαssιnαtҽ them?  :laugh1:

I've wondered this myself.  There's no GOOD reason for the secrecy.

I suspect that this entire thing is Kayfabe, and that how it plays out has already been mutually agree upon between the SSPX and Rome.

Perhaps they do not want too much prior scrutiny of the "Episcopabili"?

I see a few different ways this might play out.

1) they go ahead and do the consecrations without Rome's approval (at least on the surface, but it's part of the plan), and then Rome declares excommunicate not only the bishops, but perhaps extends it even to priests and the faithful who would attend SSPX chapels (as +Fellay has already hinted)

This would be the outcome of a well-played 5-D chess long game by the diabolical genius of ... Bergoglio (well, it would have to have come from his handler).  So Bergoglio gave SSPX jurisdiction for Confessions in 2015.  To go along with that, SSPX regularly had Novus Ordo presbyters witness weddings of SSPX faithful.  SSPX preached the need for working with Rome, and condemned the Resistance types.  As as result of this quasi-regularization, surging attendance during COVID due Conciliar churches shutting down almost completely, and, more recently, by Bergs having shut down most Motu Masses.  Those three led to a surge in attendance at SSPX chapels.  That surge in attendance, then, appeared to justify the incredibly imprudent massive spending projects by SSPX ... 50 million and counting for the seminary, 25 million and counting for the chapel at St. Mary's ... and a lot of other chapels struggling after having taken on more debt than they could reasonably support.

Now, hanging on with all that debt ... what happens if Rome goes ahead and excommunicates SSPX priests and the faithful who attend their chapels.  You'd instantly find SSPX chapel attendance cut by 50%.  At that point, they go bankrupt ... belly up, and will be having even the properties they have paid for being seized to pay off their massive debts.

You'd also find a good number of the priests defecting ...

Just speaking with some of the faithful at the SSPX chapel up here, I find that many of them are terrified by the prospect of event he bishops being excommunicated, and are already making escape plans in case that happens.  And there's no surprise here, since the SSPX have long used their increasing "regularization" to lure in the Motarian types, which has contributed to a swell in their numbers, but if they lived having swelled their numbers that way, then they'll die by the same means.

If that happens, I would tip my hat and say ... "Well played, Bergoglio.  Well played."

2)  Just before the consecrations, they'll announce that a deal has been reached, and that they made a compromise with Rome, will only consecrate, say, one or two at most (agreed upon by Rome and undoubtedly either infiltrators or two of the most liberal they can possibly find in their ranks) ... but as part of the deal will extend the ability to perform Confirmations to SSPX priests.  That's actually one of the main sticking points, that the two remaining bishops, also getting up there in years, have to travel all over the world doing Confirmations.  You don't need 5 bishops just to ordain priests or deacons or sub deacons once each year.

Now, this will have been agree upon from the very beginning ... but was calculated to make it look like the SSPX had NOT "compromised", since the latter had been READY to get excommunicated if necessary.  Therefore it will reduce or decrease the suspicion on the new bishops as having been compromise candidates and possible infiltrators.

3) SSPX go ahead with the consecrations, but Prevosts lifts the excommunications, once again showing his "mercy", but the bishops will be, again, agreed upon as being the most liberal that could be found, on a mission to undermine and liberalize the SSPX.  This also satisfies both the right wing and left wing within the SSPX, the left due to the mercy and re-regularization, the right because SSPX leadership had shown strenght in standing up to Rome (so it appeared, even though they'd already worked out this Kayfabe), and the left because they're all "regular" again.  Then the erosion and weaking of the faith of remaining Traditional Catholics will continue, and possible "full regularization" achieved, so that there will be no difference between SSPX and FSSP, and they gradually fold into the Conciliar Church, perhaps with subtle Liturgical changes (in addition to the theological), so they imperceptibly end up with some "hybrid" liturgy and hybrid Church, via the Hegelian dialectic that Ratzinger favored.


Offline Ladislaus

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So, one interesting development is that Father Gleize says there will be "four young and effective bishops" .. rather than the 5.  So that either means they've already dropped the number, or that 1 of the 5 will not exactly be young.

In any case, if there were not already pre-arranged by both sides, if I were Rome and wanted to minimize the potential damage, I would propose the following deal:  "We'll authorize the consecration of a single bishop, but will authorize all SSPX priests (or at the very least District Superiors) to administer the Sacrament of Confirmation."  That would take 95% of the load off SSPX "bishops".

If I were SSPX, I might propose the exact same thing ... "one bishop and priests can confirm".  That way you don't get "excommunicated" and lose 50% of your Mass attendance, and have to start declaring bankruptcy left and right.

Then, of course, if you're Rome, you insist that you get to approve the bishop chosen, and he'll certainly be one of the infiltrators.  I actually suspect that they had Huonder in mind for that kind of a deal.  At that point, the, Huonder would also have result in a plethora of doubtfully-ordained priests and doubtful holy oils.  In the absence of Huonder, assigning Schneider to SSPX might actually be in the cards.  That might be why they have Schneider posturing as the only voice within the Conciliar Church defending SSPX (where even the Great Black Hope of Trad, Inc. Sarah, and the Great White Hope Burke have turned on them)

That way you can get the "Huonder effect" via Schneider.

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Just noticing that the YouTube page has 20K views today - and after only  9 days being posted!!!
; so that tells me that this is an interesting topic for many.

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New Episcopal Consecrations : An SSPX Theologian Answers Young People’s Questions
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19,731 views  May 1, 2026  Formation - Crise de l'Église

  As the July 1 episcopal consecrations in Écône approach, many Catholic faithful are asking important questions: why is this act considered legitimate? What does Catholic theology really teach about the Church, authority, unity, and the state of necessity?

   It is essential to understand that the Church is a society of a supernatural order. It is the mystical body of Jesus Christ. It is not a society like any other. Its unity rests on the gift of God's grace. This is first and foremost the gift of faith. The unity of the Church, fundamentally, is the unity of the profession of its faith. Faith is the beginning of salvation. Dependent upon this, and in service to it, is the unity of governance.
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The governance of the Church, once again, only has meaning if it is there to maintain this profession of faith. The gravity of the present moment lies precisely in separating the two.

Question  46:
Father, you now have thirty seconds to convince
Sorry, I hadn't realized the last question was cut off...

Question  46:
Father, you now have thirty seconds to convince us of  the necessity of the 2026 consecrations…    Finally, why are the 2026 consecrations necessary?
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In conclusion: the glory of God and the salvation of souls. The Superior General has said it and repeated it after Archbishop Lefebvre, and that is what motivates us. I would say it is apostolic, missionary, and charitable. 

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Thank you. At the end of this interview, one point emerges very clearly: the question of the consecrations cannot be interpreted solely from a disciplinary or media perspective. On the contrary, it requires and demands a proper understanding and sound knowledge of the Church's doctrine on unity and authority. It also requires, and perhaps above all, a sound understanding of what true and just obedience to the Pope should be.
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Thank you, Father, for your insights and your answers.

The End.

May 1, 2026 AD.

Vidéo complète - Français ici: https://laportelatine.org/formation/crise-eglise/rapports-rome-fsspx/nouveaux-sacres-deveques-un-theologien-de-la-fsspx-repond-aux-jeunes-video