Author Topic: answering the objection that sedevacantists are Protestant (Read 2279 times)

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2014, 06:05:10 PM »

Dogmatic sedevacantism vs sedeplenism is a false dichotomy. The best understanding of the Crisis in the Church is explained by sedeprivationism. Of course, the dogmatic sedevacante schizoids and the diabolically disoriented Conciliarists and crypto-modernists in SSPX will lambast this truth, while doing everything in their power to divert attention away from it.

Jehanne · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2014, 07:10:57 AM »

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Quote from: Geremia
Namely, that sedevacantists believe the Church is founded on St. Peter's (or his successor's) faith, not on the man himself.

How do sedevacantists answer this objection/accusation?

Sedevacantists hold that the Petrine office is what is permanent and not necessarily the man who claims to occupy it. Is a President about the Constitution (for US-based members and others)? Is a Pope above his Magisterium or the author of it? Just as a President can be a traitor to his office (namely, protecting the Constitution), so, too, a Pope can betray his own Magisterium. Sedevacantists "salute the position" and not necessarily "the person."

I presume you meant "Is a President above the Constitution" -- interestingly enough, there are different schools of thought on the matter as much as there are different schools of thought on the pope question.

Yes, that is what I meant; sorry for the typo. (I proof my posts during the 5-minute 'grace' period after positing; not sure why this one slipped through.) Love your avatar, by the way; are you with the Anonymous hackactivist group?

OHCA · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2014, 09:48:25 AM »

THIS

Quote from: Geremia

Namely, that sedevacantists believe the Church is founded on St. Peter's (or his successor's) faith, not on the man himself.

DOES NOT say the same thing as THIS

Quote from: Geremia

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From this it is clear enough that by the building of his church on the rock or on himself, Christ meant nothing else but (as was said above, from the apostles Peter and Paul) the common Christian faith, that whoever believes in Christ is built on this rock and will attain salvation, even against all the gates of hell…This is the simple, single, certain understanding of these words….[ii]
(source)

Maybe I am missing Geremia's point. But Geremia's quote does not accurately paraphrase the material he quoted--the two statements have completely different meanings.

And what is your basis for saying this is what sedevacantists believe anyway? I don't see it.

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Author Topic: answering the objection that sedevacantists are Protestant (Read 2279 times)

Croix de Fer

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Jehanne

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OHCA

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