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Offline Fanny

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another sign of sspx death
« on: March 21, 2018, 09:53:16 PM »
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    • http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/03/20/sspx-canada-implicitly-admits-state-of-necessity-no-longer-exists/

    St. Raphael’s Priory of the SSPX in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada has published its March 2018 Bulletin in which there is a picture of a married couple standing beside a Novus Ordo priest and Fr. Richard Vachon, SSPX.  It seems that the couple were married by the Novus Ordo priest in his parish and Fr. Vachon celebrated the Traditional Mass afterwards.  By this act, the SSPX Canadian District has implicitly admitted that the state of necessity no longer exists.  Therefore, it can no longer resort to using the argument of supplied jurisdiction for the validity of its marriages.
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    Offline Centroamerica

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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #1 on: March 21, 2018, 10:39:06 PM »
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    • There are SSPX priests who will argue that the supplied jurisdiction was never an argument for validity of marriages but only confessions. If any have come to the point of getting married by an SSPX priest, there is a form which one signs. The form explains that the milieu of the Novus Ordo etc, but does not specifically mention supplied jurisdiction. Newer SSPX priests do argue that the supplied jurisdiction was only in regards to confession. I had a long conversation with a priest about this just recently.
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #2 on: March 22, 2018, 01:11:35 AM »
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #3 on: March 22, 2018, 09:56:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Centroamerica on March 21, 2018, 10:39:06 PM
    There are SSPX priests who will argue that the supplied jurisdiction was never an argument for validity of marriages but only confessions. 
    What does that mean? Are they saying that the couples married by the SSPX in the past are living in adultery? 
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #4 on: March 22, 2018, 01:03:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 22, 2018, 09:56:16 AM
    What does that mean? Are they saying that the couples married by the SSPX in the past are living in adultery?
    That would be the logical conclusion, it seems.
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #5 on: March 22, 2018, 01:08:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 22, 2018, 09:56:16 AM
    What does that mean? Are they saying that the couples married by the SSPX in the past are living in adultery?
    It would explain all the annulment requests coming out of st. Marys.
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #6 on: March 22, 2018, 01:48:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on March 22, 2018, 01:08:50 PM
    It would explain all the annulment requests coming out of st. Marys.
    I've been told that in the Novus Ordo, being married by an SSPX priest has always been valid grounds for an annulment. How many annulments like this are there in St. Mary's?
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #7 on: March 22, 2018, 01:49:45 PM »
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    • Some people stick with it just for the Mass.They are otherwise aware that it is a dying Society. It has taken Trads for a right royal ride
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #8 on: March 22, 2018, 02:00:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 22, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
    I've been told that in the Novus Ordo, being married by an SSPX priest has always been valid grounds for an annulment. How many annulments like this are there in St. Mary's?
    It's true, the Novus Ordo does not recognize any marriages of the SSPX (yet they do for Prots???) nor "Resistance" or probably any Sedevecante marriages. I know this first hand and have been told so directly.

    As for SSPX divorces (a.k.a. "annulments"), an older cleric told me the rate is around 1 in 5, if memory serves me correctly. I don't know if this is only applicable to the marriages he officiated or just in a particular major northern U.S. State he was in or the whole of the SSPX
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #9 on: March 22, 2018, 05:58:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Student of Qi on March 22, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
    It's true, the Novus Ordo does not recognize any marriages of the SSPX (yet they do for Prots???) nor "Resistance" or probably any Sedevecante marriages. I know this first hand and have been told so directly.

    As for SSPX divorces (a.k.a. "annulments"), an older cleric told me the rate is around 1 in 5, if memory serves me correctly. I don't know if this is only applicable to the marriages he officiated or just in a particular major northern U.S. State he was in or the whole of the SSPX
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    An independent TLM priest showed me a book from the archdiocese that lists all the marriages on record for a period of time and he said that if your marriage isn't in this book then the bishop says you were not married in the archdiocese. He then assured me that no independent priests can submit reports to the diocese for the information to be added to the book because the chancery office does not recognize reports from independent priests.

    In order to be on record as having been married you must be married by a Novus Ordo priest under the diocese.
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #10 on: March 22, 2018, 06:06:20 PM »
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    • The Novus Ordo "priest" does not even dress up for the wedding. Look at his clothes, gray pants and a faded black shirt.

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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #11 on: March 22, 2018, 06:10:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on March 22, 2018, 05:58:24 PM
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    An independent TLM priest showed me a book from the archdiocese that lists all the marriages on record for a period of time and he said that if your marriage isn't in this book then the bishop says you were not married in the archdiocese. He then assured me that no independent priests can submit reports to the diocese for the information to be added to the book because the chancery office does not recognize reports from independent priests.

    In order to be on record as having been married you must be married by a Novus Ordo priest under the diocese.
    I asked my SSPX priests weeks after we were married what he did with the docuмents and he told me they are sent to the diocese and to the headquarters in Kansas City.
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #12 on: March 22, 2018, 08:22:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 22, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
    I've been told that in the Novus Ordo, being married by an SSPX priest has always been valid grounds for an annulment. How many annulments like this are there in St. Mary's?
    A lot.
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #13 on: March 22, 2018, 08:28:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on March 22, 2018, 06:10:05 PM
    I asked my SSPX priests weeks after we were married what he did with the docuмents and he told me they are sent to the diocese and to the headquarters in Kansas City.
    Just because they are sent to the diocese does not mean they are recorded in the diocese records.

    People forget... the sacrament of matrimony is not given by the priest.  It is given by the bride to the groom and vice versa.  The priest is only the witness in the eyes of God.

    So whether or not your marriage is "legal" in the eyes of the Church does not matter to God.  What matters to God is your state of mind during your wedding and whether or not you received the sacrament or gave it.

    All those SSPXers who are getting annulments are in for a rude awakening when they die.
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    Re: another sign of sspx death
    « Reply #14 on: March 23, 2018, 06:36:54 AM »
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    • Another photo of the wedding.
    Where are the chapel veils?
    Where is the sanctuary lamp?
    Where is the crucifix?
    Why would this couple agree to this?
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