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Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
« on: March 05, 2017, 08:40:34 PM »
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  • “‘Pope Francis has urged us to have fewer children,’ claims Vatican academy member”

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    “‘Pope Francis has urged us to have fewer children to make the world more sustainable,’ a panelist at a Vatican-run workshop on ‘how to save the natural world’ claimed on Thursday.

    This solution to securing the world’s sustainability was presented by botanist and environmentalist Peter Raven during a press conference that concluded the “Biological Extinction” workshop that took place at the Vatican earlier this week.

    Greg Burke, director of the Holy See Press Office, moderated a panel, which included Raven, President of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (PAS), Werner Arber, University of Cambridge Professor Emeritus of Economics Partha Dasgupta, and PAS chancellor Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo…

    According to Raven, the central element of the solution for ‘overpopulation’ is that ‘we need a more limited number of people in the world.’…

    All four on the panel concurred that the survival of the planet is tightly linked to the number of people on the planet.

    The Biological Extinction workshop drew particular controversy because it featured a paper by notorious pro-abortion population control advocate Dr. Paul Ehrlich. At the event Ehrlich, and co-author Dasgupta, said that the Catholic teaching of ‘responsible parenthood’ in determining family size has ‘result[ed] in collective failure’ in reducing the world’s population.

     

    The authors suggested that one way to stop the exhaustion of “humanity’s natural capital” is by imposing a system of ‘taxes and regulations’ that would help modify ‘social norms of behaviour.’

    Just days before the conference, Ehrlich, who has defended forced abortion and mass forced sterilization as legitimate means to control the world’s population, advocated in an interview with The Guardian for cutting the world’s population by 6 billion people to bring it down to 1 billion…

    Dasgupta, Ehrlich’s co-author, said during the panel that the number of humans on the planet is not sustainable. He added that humans must arrive at a point where their numbers are determined by how ‘the earth can replenish herself.'”

    My take:

    I came from a Family of six siblings and the Parochial school I attended
    in the 1950's-early 1960's.  Many Families there were 10-12 Children.
    This is unbelievable advice that the alleged vicar of Christ is telling
    Catholics.


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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #1 on: March 05, 2017, 09:32:59 PM »
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  • Well, as long as all the modernists, hedonists, and socialists take that advice we can continue to have OUR children and in 2/3 generations we wont have too many of them to put up with. At least, I think it would work that way...
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 01:12:44 PM »
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  • More Shockers from Francis

    LifeSiteNews) The archbishop now at the helm of the Pontifical Academy for Life paid a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ artist to paint a blasphemous homoerotic mural in his cathedral church in 2007. The mural includes an image of the archbishop himself.

    Francis-Appointed Vatican Archbishop Featured in Homoerotic Painting He Commissioned
    Bishop Vicenzo Paglia/PHOTO: Twitter
    The archbishop, Vincenzo Paglia, was also recently appointed by Pope Francis as president of the Pontifical Pope John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family.

    The massive mural still covers the opposite side of the facade of the cathedral church of the Diocese of Terni-Narni-Amelia. It depicts Jesus carrying nets to heaven filled with naked and semi-nude ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, transsɛҳuąƖs, prostitutes, and drug dealers, jumbled together in erotic interactions.

    Included in one of the nets is Paglia, the then diocesan bishop. The image of the Savior is painted with the face of a local male hairdresser, and his private parts can be seen through his translucent garb.

    According to the artist, a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Argentinean named Ricardo Cinalli who is known for his paintings of male bodies, Bishop Paglia selected him out of a list of ten internationally-known artists specifically for the task of painting the inner wall of the facade. Bishop Paglia, along with one Fr. Fabio Leonardis, oversaw every detail of Cinalli’s work, according to Cinalli, who approvingly notes that Paglia never asked him if he believed in the Christian doctrine of salvation.

    “Working with him was humanly and professionally fantastic,” Cinalli told the Italian newspaper La Repubblica in March of last year. “Never, in four months, during which we saw each other almost three times each week, did Paglia ever ask me if I believed in salvation. He never placed me in an uncomfortable position.”

    “There was no detail that was done freely, at random,” added Cinalli. “Everything was analyzed. Everything was discussed. They never allowed me to work on my own.”…

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    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/leading-vatican-archbishop-featured-in-homoerotic-painting-he-commissioned

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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #3 on: March 07, 2017, 06:28:36 PM »
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  • “Vatican cardinal on endorsing Communion for adulterers: Francis and I ‘always thought the same’”

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    “The Vatican Cardinal tasked with interpreting Church law is defending a book he published last month in which he says Catholics in so-called irregular unions ‘must be given’ Holy Communion.

    Cardinal Francesco Coccopalmerio, President of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legal Texts, told National Catholic Register’s Ed Pentin that when he spoke to Pope Francis ‘about these questions […] we always thought the same.’

    In his 30 page book titled The Eighth Chapter of the Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia, Coccopalmerio stated that the ‘sacraments of Reconciliation and Communion ought to be given also to so-called wounded families and to those who, even though living in situations not in line with the traditional canons on matrimony, express a sincere desire to draw closer to the sacraments after an adequate period of discernment.’

    Coccopalmerio insisted to Pentin in the February 21 interview that the above pastoral guide does not breach canon law or Church doctrine. He made the case that all that was necessary to receive Communion is the ‘desire’ to change, not any concrete action.

    When Pentin asked if it would not be better for couples in objective sin to stop the situation of sin completely, he replied:

    How can you stop the whole thing if that will harm people? It is important that this person doesn’t want to be in this union, wants to leave this union, wants to leave, but cannot do it. There are two things to put together: I want to, but I cannot. And I cannot — not for my own sake, but for the sake of other people. I cannot for the sake of other people.

    If the two can live together as brother and sister, that’s great. But if they cannot because this would break up the union, which ought to be conserved for the good of these people, then they manage as best they can. Do you see? That’s it. And it seems this whole complicated thing has a logical explanation, motivation. If others depart from other points of view, they can also arrive at other conclusions. But I would say there would be something missing of the human person. I can’t damage a person to avoid a sin in a situation that I haven’t put myself into; I already find myself in it, one in which I, if I am this woman, have put myself into without a bad intention. On the contrary, I’m trying to do good, and, at that moment, I believed myself to be doing good, and certainly I did do good. But maybe if, already at the beginning I had known, if I knew with moral certitude that this is a sin, maybe I would not have put myself in that condition. But now I already find myself there: How can I go back? It is one thing to begin, another to interrupt. These are also different things, no?

    Pentin then asked if the Church continues to uphold its law requiring ministers to refuse Communion to those in obstinate and manifest grave sin. Coccopalmerio said yes, but added that Communion cannot be refused from couples who have an ‘intention to change’ but chose not to because of their circuмstances.

    When asked directly if such couples have to change their style of life before receiving Communion, he replied that they do not.

    No, they have to change their intention, not their style of life. If you wait until someone changes their style of life, you wouldn’t absolve anymore anyone at all. It’s the intention. I want to change even if I know I am not able.

    Coccopalmerio disagreed that allowing ‘remarried’ Catholics to receive Communion would be a possible source of scandal for others.”


    03/07/2017

    I should have titled this thread as "More Shockers from the bishop of
    Rome Francis.

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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 10:32:46 PM »
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  • Perhaps Francis fans would like to know you can buy a statue of him -- ON SALE!!

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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #5 on: March 08, 2017, 08:01:33 AM »
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  • Awful stuff...

    It is like the whole world is becoming Sodom and Gomorrah...

    Parce nobis, Domine....

     :pray: :pray: :pray:
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #6 on: March 08, 2017, 10:09:06 AM »
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  • No thank you for the statue.  

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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #7 on: March 08, 2017, 10:25:00 AM »
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  • The bearded naked guy (maybe supposed to be a Muslim?) embracing the naked Jєω....What the heck is that all about?

    The nudity is classical painting tends to be discreet.  That is certainly not true for the women depicted here, who are not only fully bare-breasted but also have ostentatiously painted lips.

    I had never seen this so-called  "mural"  pornography before.  How disheartening to see such bad taste -- not to mention the immorality of it -- from the source of what should be the Holy City.


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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #8 on: March 08, 2017, 11:11:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    “‘Pope Francis has urged us to have fewer children,’ claims Vatican academy member”

    lifesitenews.com

    “‘Pope Francis has urged us to have fewer children to make the world more sustainable,’ a panelist at a Vatican-run workshop on ‘how to save the natural world’ claimed on Thursday.

    This solution to securing the world’s sustainability was presented by botanist and environmentalist Peter Raven during a press conference that concluded the “Biological Extinction” workshop that took place at the Vatican earlier this week.

    Greg Burke, director of the Holy See Press Office, moderated a panel, which included Raven, President of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (PAS), Werner Arber, University of Cambridge Professor Emeritus of Economics Partha Dasgupta, and PAS chancellor Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo…

    According to Raven, the central element of the solution for ‘overpopulation’ is that ‘we need a more limited number of people in the world.’…

    All four on the panel concurred that the survival of the planet is tightly linked to the number of people on the planet.

    The Biological Extinction workshop drew particular controversy because it featured a paper by notorious pro-abortion population control advocate Dr. Paul Ehrlich. At the event Ehrlich, and co-author Dasgupta, said that the Catholic teaching of ‘responsible parenthood’ in determining family size has ‘result[ed] in collective failure’ in reducing the world’s population.

     

    The authors suggested that one way to stop the exhaustion of “humanity’s natural capital” is by imposing a system of ‘taxes and regulations’ that would help modify ‘social norms of behaviour.’

    Just days before the conference, Ehrlich, who has defended forced abortion and mass forced sterilization as legitimate means to control the world’s population, advocated in an interview with The Guardian for cutting the world’s population by 6 billion people to bring it down to 1 billion…

    Dasgupta, Ehrlich’s co-author, said during the panel that the number of humans on the planet is not sustainable. He added that humans must arrive at a point where their numbers are determined by how ‘the earth can replenish herself.'”

    My take:

    I came from a Family of six siblings and the Parochial school I attended
    in the 1950's-early 1960's.  Many Families there were 10-12 Children.
    This is unbelievable advice that the alleged vicar of Christ is telling
    Catholics.


    This above is explained in the following website I put up yesterday.



    Long but you will not regret listening to it. Only then will you know and understasnd how the likes of above came to be.


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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #9 on: March 08, 2017, 04:16:49 PM »
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  • Not a shocker really, just as expected.

    Those Italians were right with their carnival float:




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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #10 on: March 09, 2017, 08:32:01 PM »
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  • Francis Signals Openness to Ordaining Married Men

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    3-8-17

    Pope Francis has expressed openness to a renewed consideration of married priests in the Catholic Church, especially the possibility of ordaining the so-called viri probati, meaning tested married men, who could be called into clerical service.
    “Then we have to consider what tasks they could perform, for instance in isolated communities,” the pontiff said.
    While the question put to Francis specifically referred to ordaining viri probati as deacons, many theologians and some bishops have also suggested they could be considered for priestly service.
    The pope’s comments came in a new interview with the German newspaper Die Zeit, excerpts from which were published on Wednesday, with the full version set to appear on Thursday.
    At the same time, Francis appeared to rule out simply making priestly celibacy optional, saying that approach “is not a solution.”
    Calling diminishing vocations to the priesthood an “enormous problem,” Francis said the first response must be prayer, coupled with a more intense focus on “working with young people who are seeking orientation.”
    A lack of priests, Francis said, weakens the Church “because a Church without the Eucharist doesn’t have strength - the Church makes the Eucharist, but the Eucharist also makes the Church.”
    Francis called for the question to be faced in the Church “fearlessly.”
    “Fears close doors, freedom opens them, and even when [the space for] liberty is small, it opens a window,” he said.

    At present, most Catholic priests are expected to remain celibate, although Catholicism does include 23 Eastern churches in full communion with Rome whose clergy are allowed to marry. In the United States, there are also a few hundred former Protestant ministers who’ve entered the Catholic Church as married men and permitted to remain married after being ordained as Catholic priests.
    In April 2014, a Brazilian bishop said he and Pope Francis had discussed the idea of ordaining the viri probati in a private conversation and the pontiff appeared open to the idea, suggesting it’s up to bishops’ conferences to make proposals along those lines.
    Last November, Francis crossed Rome to meet with a community of seven families, all led by men who had left the priesthood to become married. There had been speculation that Francis might choose to devote the next Synod of Bishops in 2018 to the topic of married priests, but instead the focus of that gathering will be on youth, faith and vocational discernment.
    In another portion of the interview, Francis, as he has on other occasions, sounded an alarm about the rise of political populism in the West today.
    “Populism is evil and ends badly, as the past century has shown,” he said, arguing that it means “using the people” by offering them a messiah.
    Francis also rejected the suggestion that he’s something special, saying, “I am a sinner and I am fallible.”

    As he has many times in the past, he suggested that exaggerated celebration of a pope is actually dangerous.
    “We must not forget that the idealization of a person is always a subliminal kind of aggression,” he said. “When I am idealized, I feel attacked.”
    In the same interview, released on Thursday, Pope Francis also spoke about American Cardinal Raymond Burke, “fundamentalist Catholics,” and his travel schedule.
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    https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/03/08/pope-francis-signals-openness-ordaining-married-men/

    It seems that Archbishop Raymond Burke "fundamentalist Catholics" is
    much more on the mind of Francis in his quest in destroying the church.


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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #11 on: March 09, 2017, 11:57:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Prayerful
    Not a shocker really, just as expected.

    Those Italians were right with their carnival float:




    YIKES!

    Francis holds the Communist hammer and sickle in one hand and raises the Commie Fist with the other.
    The sign in front mimics Che Guevara with "Che GuePapa."
    That's Lenin, Fidel Castro, and two others around the "throne."
    They have cherub wings and they're nude.

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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #12 on: March 10, 2017, 12:08:42 AM »
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  • Here we go -- I uploaded the photo so it's kept at CI now.

    Maybe the cherub guy on the front left is Che Guevara.
    The one behind him kind of resembles JPII -- if so, it's the first nude pope image I've seen.
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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #13 on: March 11, 2017, 12:50:55 AM »
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  • Angelqueen has a one-page thread with a link to eponymous flower that describes this "shocker":

    "The pope was surrounded by putti-like gold figures depicting [Karl] Marx, [Vladimir] Lenin, Mao [Tse-Tung] and Fidel Castro." (All deceased, Castro most recently. The float seems to say these "spirits" of dead Communists are kept alive in the person of Francis -- in a way of speaking he is giving them enduring life, especially because of his sacred office which he blasphemes almost daily. Kyrie eleison.)

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    (Rome) Rose Monday is a traditionally cheerful day celebrated in the Rhineland and the Alemanic areas with large carnival parades. Four years ago, on this day, the Catholic Church was struck by the unexpected announcement of Pope Benedict XVI. Surprising, as he was the first head of the Church in history to step down from his office because of old age and weakness. In 2017, Pope Francis was the main figure of the largest Italian Carnival parade – in a very special way.

    At Carnevale di Viareggio, Italy’s most famous carnival parade, to which more than 300,000 people came to the Tuscan city this year, were met by a float dedicated to Pope Francis.


    Fidel Castro, one of the four Communist “godfathers” of the “Papa Comunista”

    The Catholic Church’s chief was portrayed with a radiant face, Che Guevara cap and red star. His shepherd’s staff in his right hand was not decorated by a cross, but by hammer and sickle. Apparently it was a homage to the hammer and sickle cross, which Bolivian President Evo Morales had given to the pope in 2015. The left hand was clenched to the fist, the battle salute of the workers’ movement, which is still practiced by left-wing groups. The pope was surrounded by putti-like gold figures depicting Marx, Lenin, Mao and Fidel Castro.

    In short, Pope Francis was shown as “Papa Comunista”, “Communist Pope”. The laughing expression of the face of the carnival figure testified that the authors did not mean this representation negatively in any way.

    The Carnival parade of Viareggio, a town in deeply political Tuscany, was founded in 1873, when some rich citizens disguised themselves to demonstrate incognito against excessive taxes. Since then, the move has served as a “valve” to let go of displeasure in current circuмstances or to express things that are otherwise might not be said.



    That photo of Papa Comunista in the Carnevale parade in Viareggio will make a great book cover for a book on the Bergoglian pontificate. It captures the giddiness, lunacy, and destructiveness of the wreckless progressive modernism which is bringing about the implosion of the Catholic Church.



    Now, if there is one thing one can be sure regarding conservative and traditionalist Catholics is that they abhor festivities and debaucheries such as those of Carnival and Mardi Gras. So there is no way any serious Catholic is behind this float. What it means is that the view of the pope as a partisan hard-leftist politician has become so ingrained in Italian folk imagination that it has even reached the ironic and comic Carnevale: the Pope’s angels according to the Italian vox populi are Marx, Lenin, Mao, and Fidel
    (Sources: Antonio Socci and Le Forum Catholique)

    St. Francis on February 28, 2017 at 9:51 AM said:
    One thing is for sure, these floats are an accurate depiction of the philosophy and ideology of Jorge Bergoglio.
    It’s sad and frustrating, but true
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    The sign "Non Toccare" means Do Not Touch in Italian. The name of the guy who made the float seems to be visible at the bottom of the lower sign.

    It seems to me this is a theme to remember, this float and explanation. It appears to be scratching the ugly surface of a much bigger, uglier reality that MSM is too PC to cover.  

    The Zionist worldwide MSM does not want the sheeple to be be aware of the ugly reality hidden under the MSM front page news.

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    Another Shocker from the bishop of Rome Francis
    « Reply #14 on: March 11, 2017, 01:02:19 AM »
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  • Name: Alessandro E. Paolo Vanni (I think)

    I have not seen moving pictures of this float, but looking closely at how it was assembled, the cherub communists' heads are connected by a stout but perhaps flexible metal rod. That means their heads probably wobbled as the float was carried in the parade.

    Since the head of Francis is facing different directions in various shots, it follows that his head was also a "bobblehead" sort of thing. It must have been a rather extreme sight to behold, this political menagerie in procession.

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