Author Topic: Another pickle the heretics have got themselves into (Read 2582 times)

CMMM · « **Reply #5 on:** August 11, 2009, 11:39:06 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Impiety is a willful state of being, so this decree is speaking of those with the use of reason, who are able to desire the sacrament.

Impiety does not necessarily entail a willful state of being.

Impius, the Latin for impious, has several alternate definitions which could be the result not of a willful state of being, but of ignorance or inability.

CM · « **Reply #6 on:** August 11, 2009, 03:23:52 PM »

The decree on justification explicitly mentions adults, guy.

CMMM · « **Reply #7 on:** August 11, 2009, 03:44:02 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

The decree on justification explicitly mentions adults, guy.

Guy, since when are there no handicapped adults or adults who would be ignorant of the truth.

CM · « **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2009, 11:26:18 PM »

I'm sorry, C.M.M.M. I looked at the thread quickly before work, and all I read was this:

Quote from: C.M.M.M.

Impiety does not necessarily entail a willful state of being.

I assumed you were going to make the typical 'infants can't desire baptism' argument.

My point is that the decree is speaking of people with the use of reason. Who can be impious or pious, other than those with the use of reason? There are no pious or impious 2 month olds and there are no pious lunatics. Neither can merit or demerit, since the have not the use of reason.

And even though, he taught baptism of desire (years before the Solemn Magisterium rendered it heretical), I believe that St. Thomas has some useful points to make on this issue. Please read article 7 and article 12 on this page.

CM · « **Reply #9 on:** August 11, 2009, 11:27:40 PM »

Also, I was in a hurry, and guy seemed quicker to type than C.M.M.M. It was a rude way to address you, and I apologize.