Or did he, once again, mean something different?

http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/on-life-in-eternity


In Jesus, God gives us eternal life, he gives it to everyone, and thanks to him everyone has the hope of a life still more true than this one.

The only way that I see this being possibly nonheretical is if he meant it in the sense of someone refusing a gift being offered. But even if that were the case, his history of spouting heresy betrays him, doesn't it?

Read the whole thing and tell me if you think he even goes there.

Also, it seemed as if the references to God in the whole homily was again separate from Jesus.

I read through that whole thing.  It is hard to say, but in light of his many comments, I would bet that he has drank deep at the well of Karl Rahner/Von Balthazar and the 'empty hell' theory. Universal salvation for all! (except Pelagian Restorationists of course)

But I am really wondering if Francis/Bergoglio believes and is willing to proclaim, that Our Lord Jesus Christ is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.  He seems to make distinctions, between God the Father and then speaks of Jesus as Master, Teacher etc.  I am not feeling up to going over everything he has said right now, but that could be an interesting study of a few of evenings time.  See if he has ever clearly and publicly stated that Jesus is God.

Luke

Jorge isn't worth the time & trouble it would take to even do a cursory search into what he believes.  After what he did to that altar boy, I wash my hands of him & want NOTHING to do with him.  And what's he done to punish the creeps who molested all those other children?

If the floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops, then Jorge will be going in the basement.                 .

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The only way that I see this being possibly nonheretical is if he meant it in the sense of someone refusing a gift being offered. But even if that were the case, his history of spouting heresy betrays him, doesn't it?

Read the whole thing and tell me if you think he even goes there.

Also, it seemed as if the references to God in the whole homily was again separate from Jesus.

His distinctions regarding the Trinity sound very foreign to me, and even attended an NO school 1st - 7th grades.  If his "papacy" is long enough I think it is going severely hurt conciliardom.  It will separate the wheat from the weeds--there will be a few true Catholics who will open their eyes and find their way to tradition, while other conciliarists will be scattered in the winds.

Every true Catholic should welcome the open overt schism, it only makes people stronger in their doctrine once they see the deception that is going on. May God give him many years to come, Viva Bergoglio  :rahrah:. I have said this many times, but what all SV'ist preachers could not do in decades he has accelerated in a few days of work. Isn't that beautiful?

I remember this;

An Argentine lawmaker has recounted how the future Pope Francis led opposition to a proposal to recognize same-sex marriage while he was serving as Archbishop of Buenos Aires.

Lilliana Negre, a senator and friend of the Pontiff, said that then-Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio was not “intervening in politics” directly, but “reminding people what the Church teaches,” and asking Catholics to “act accordingly.” Yet she recalls that proponents of same-sex marriage were convinced that the cardinal was the mastermind of their political opposition. When their proposal passed, she said, the victors proclaimed: “We brought down Bergoglio.”

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=19695

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It seems as though any day now they might have a Techno
Cosmic Mass at St. Peter's Basilica.  They could play rap music
instead of Gregorian Chant.  They could have a laser light show.
Wouldn't that be great.  It would be even more impressive than
having a couple dance the Argentinian Tango across the
sanctuary with an electronically recorded sound track playing.

Poor Pierre Teilhard de Chardin -- he died far too soon (1881-1955).
He would have loved to see this day, when his dreams are all
coming true.





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But then Jesus, so to speak, launches a counterattack. And he does this by citing Sacred Scripture with a simplicity and an originality that fills us with admiration for our Master, the only Master! Jesus finds the proof of the resurrection in the episode about Moses and the burning bush (Exodus 3:1-6), where God reveals himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The name of God is connected to the men and women to which he binds himself, and this link is stronger than death. And we can also say of God’s relationship with us, with each one of us: He is our God! He is the God of each one of us! It is as if he bore our name. It pleases him to say it, and this is the covenant. This is why Jesus says: “God is not the God of the dead but of the living, because everyone lives for him” (Luke 20:38).

This is a mess. On so many levels. It's just proof that Frank's torturing The Gospel to mean what it clearly does NOT. His citation right there, Luke 20:38, just a few verses earlier makes it real clear that Jesus is promising a resurrection of everybody indeed, but only the children of the Resurrection are going to much enjoy this afterlife. The rest are going to Hell! That's straight-up Haycock. And uh, the Church Fathers (Aquinas).

And of course Jesus+ can give "original" answers, because He IS God. Frank makes it sound like Jesus was the captain of some debate club and was fighting for God's team. Arian? OR MUSLIM? He does call Jesus "Master", I think. That part wasn't overly clear.

It may have been plausible to un-twist what Frank said to mean "only the elect", had he left THIS out:

Today is the 75th anniversary of the so-called “Kristallnacht,” the night of violence against Jews, their ѕуηαgσgυєs, homes and businesses [in Germany and Austria] November 9-10, 1938. It marked a sad step toward the tragedy of the Shoah. Let us renew our nearness and solidarity with the Jєωιѕн people, our big brothers. And we pray to God that the memory of the past, the memory of past sins help us to be ever more vigilant against every form of hatred and intolerance.

Frank's including all the Jews among the elect without any need for belief, Baptism, or anything. So surely everyone that's drawn a breath is included. (Part of that "infinite mercy" thing, I suppose.) —Well, good luck with that, Frank.

Against EVERY FORM OF hatred and INTOLERANCE.

Well, I suppose we should be happy that he didn't ask God to remove the memory of past sins to help us save the whales.

How does God remove memories of past sins without the Holy Sacrifice? Oh yeah I forgot: on down this "message", Frank speaks of the many ways we can have a "foretaste" of the resurrection: praying, Sacraments, and fraternity. —Yeah wow, I'd thought it was Mass, but apparently just walking through the mall with people of different faiths is on par with the Sacraments. (Actually, for them, it may be.)

But to finish off with what sounds like a threat to the Almighty...