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Title: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 10, 2019, 07:14:00 PM
https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2019/11/dreams-do-come-true.html (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2019/11/dreams-do-come-true.html)
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: poche on November 10, 2019, 11:07:00 PM
I think a better gift would come when she converts to the Catholic Faith. 
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 11, 2019, 09:37:37 AM
And precisely how is that going to happen when "the Great Rabbi" Jorge has converted to their satanic religion?

(http://judaism.is/images/great%20rabbi%20bergoglio.jpg?crc=3901128466)

the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope­

false prophet & abomination of desolation

“As regular readers of [Call Me Jorge (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/)] know, Francis is into all things Judaic, especially Chasidism.  Their doctrines creep out here and there in Francis’ sermons and docuмents.  One of the things which Francis does with regularity is to invert the teachings of the Church.  An example of this is the use of the term ‘pharisee’ which he applies to his enemies, who are not open to тαℓмυdic Judaism and Francis’ anti-Catholic machinations.  Another example is his favorite blasphemous painting, White Crucifixion (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.is/2014/05/update-on-white-crucifixion.html).  Francis shows his hand, when he inverts Catholic doctrine, as a modernist change agent (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2014/12/modernists-are-really-traditionalists.html) who is simply following the dictates of ‘The Rebbe’ to be (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/03/noahide-proselytizing-rabbi-riskin.html), “modern on the outside and Chabad on the inside.” One of the most blatant examples is Francis teaching (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html) the тαℓмυdic formula: Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah (“descent for sake of ascent”).  This teaching simply means that one has to descend into sin, which paradoxically has a positive status in Hasidism, in order to ascend to new heights.  This is done because the god of тαℓмυdic Judaism is one of opposites — a hermaphrodite god (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/06/vatican-instills-double-mind.html) of good/evil.  In the Hasidic lore, tzaddiks (saints or righteous people) wrestle not with evil but with goodness as they descend into sin in this process in order to ascend into righteousness.  Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah is one of the foundational beliefs of Orthodox тαℓмυdic Judaism along with Tikkun Olam.  In the later belief the rabbis have the chutzpah to state that God made creation imperfect and the тαℓмυdic Jews are to correct his work.

“The Hasidism of Francis’ mind is also shown when he says such things as (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/04/francis-gnostic-gospel.html), “[Jesus] made himself the devil” and (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/03/another-day-another-blasphemous-joke.html) “the Holy Trinity [is] arguing behind closed doors but on the outside they give the picture of unity.”  Who else sees Jesus as a devil or God as a bunch of arguing rabbis other than a тαℓмυdist?  Whether he is parroting the ideas of Heschel (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/reading-francis-through-heschel.html), Levinas (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-hermeneutics-of-тαℓмυdic-alchemical.html), Buber (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/06/francis-kabbalistic-gnostic-god-man.html), Wiesel (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2016/07/elie-wiesel-pope-francis-rich-orthodox.html), a dead rebbe from the Steppes (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/francis-hasidic-concept-of-god-of.html), or having over rabbis as guests (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/09/how-many-books-on-тαℓмυdic-judaism-does.html) who often gift him with books (Gluck (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/05/francis-adds-copy-of-mystic-tales-from.html) & Steinsaltz (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/12/guess-who-had-private-audience-with.html)) there’s an excellent chance it’s comes from the Baal Shem Tov and his cult in one manner or another.

“In the video clip below (http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/1489509/Jєωιѕн/Moving-Back-to-Move-Forward.htm) the late Chabad Lubavitcher rabbi, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, explains why Hasids should descend (into sin) in order to ascend — they are hunters getting ready to kill their prey.  Another late Chasidic rabbi, Abraham Heschel (of Vatican II’s Nostra Aetate), in a 1965 interview with Ma'ariv explained exactly whom the prey were (https://books.google.com/books?id=MYHmbLAm_csC&pg=PA272&lpg=PA272&dq=I+want+to+attack+their+souls.+Today,+there+is+no+longer+any+place+for+religious+wars+as+such.&source=bl&ots=UNNbhGeVdI&sig=YQlapT5ywlHGEbSM0bXgdN_MkaI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9hGoVOLRJtWzyAT0yoCYAw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=I%20want%20to%20attack%20their%20souls.%20Today%2C%20there%20is%20no%20longer%20any%20place%20for%20religious%20wars%20as%20such.&f=false), “There are those who would like to attack [Christians’] bodies. I want to attack their souls.”  The elevation which takes place is one which will incorporate the prey’s soul into the of cult тαℓмυdic Judaism and worship of their demonic hermaphrodite god.   It’s a total inversion of Catholicism, the religion instituted by Jesus the Christ.  So why is Francis teaching it (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html)?”

the Rebbe explains the Hasidic stratagem of “descent for sake of ascent”
https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html)

See also:



тαℓмυdic zingers from the anti-Pope

“God is purifying the church with sin”
March 7, 2019 (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2019/03/francis-hasid-god-is-purifying-church.html)

“…the memory of him [Jesus] who has made himself sin, who has made himself the devil, the serpent, for us; he has humbled himself to the point of complete annihilation.”
April 4, 2017 (https://novusordowatch.org/2017/04/francis-christ-made-himself-devil/)

“Inside the Holy Trinity they’re all arguing behind closed doors but on the outside they give the picture of unity.”
March 17, 2017 (https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/03/25/woman-knows-read-pope-francis/)

“…a priest that over weeks gives antisemitic (http://judaism.is/antisemitism.html) talks until Jesus, on the cross, looks at the Virgin, who was at his side, and says to her,
'Mom, let's go since they don't like us;”
January 17, 2014

The infamously blasphemous medieval Toldot Yeschu was republished by Bergoglio’s friend, Chief Rabbi of Rome Ricardo Di Segni, under the misleading title Il vangelo del ghetto (https://openlibrary.org/books/OL2620845M/Il_vangelo_del_ghetto) (The Gospel of the Ghetto), subtitled storie di Gesù (the history of Jesus) and described as “leggende e docuмenti della tradizione medievale ebraica” (legends and docuмents of the medieval Jєωιѕн tradition). What is that “Jєωιѕн tradition”?

The Toledot Yeschu embellishes the Torah's blasphemous mockery that Jesus was a mamzer [bastard] conceived adulterously in niddah [menstrual filth] by a Roman soldier named Pandera [Kallah 51a] of a whore [Sanhedrin 106a] and that He is now in Hell boiling in feces and, in some editions because Jesus is accused of sɛҳuąƖ perversion, semen [Gittin 57a], that the Sanhedrin justly executed Jesus because he was an idolater [Sanhedrin 43a] who worshipped a brick [Sanhedrin 67a], even boasting that the Sanhedrin overcame Roman opposition to the execution of Jesus [Sanhedrin 43a].

See Jesus in the тαℓмυd (http://judaism.is/jesus-in-the-тαℓмυd.html).

1 week after Bergoglio was “elected,” his newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, recommended daily тαℓмυd study

L’Osservatore Romano recommends Daf Yomi (Daily тαℓмυd Lessons)
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/06/losservatore-romano-reccomends-daf-yomi.html (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/06/losservatore-romano-reccomends-daf-yomi.html)


(http://judaism.is/images/l%20osservatore%20romano%20тαℓмυd%20lessons.jpg?crc=3770624196)

scroll to page 6:
L’Osservatore Romano, Anno CLIII n. 96 (46.340), venerdì 26 aprile 2013, Il тαℓмυd giorno per giorno, pagina 6.

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/096q01.pdf (http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/096q01.pdf)
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: poche on November 11, 2019, 11:46:45 PM
Cooperation with the grace of God can do miracles.
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 12, 2019, 08:43:45 AM
Cooperation with the grace of God can do miracles.

People who falsify scriptural quotes do evil.
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Last Tradhican on November 12, 2019, 03:47:12 PM
Very enlightening, thanks for the information
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: poche on November 12, 2019, 11:38:58 PM
And precisely how is that going to happen when "the Great Rabbi" Jorge has converted to their satanic religion?

(http://judaism.is/images/great%20rabbi%20bergoglio.jpg?crc=3901128466)

the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope­

false prophet & abomination of desolation

“As regular readers of [Call Me Jorge (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/)] know, Francis is into all things Judaic, especially Chasidism.  Their doctrines creep out here and there in Francis’ sermons and docuмents.  One of the things which Francis does with regularity is to invert the teachings of the Church.  An example of this is the use of the term ‘pharisee’ which he applies to his enemies, who are not open to тαℓмυdic Judaism and Francis’ anti-Catholic machinations.  Another example is his favorite blasphemous painting, White Crucifixion (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.is/2014/05/update-on-white-crucifixion.html).  Francis shows his hand, when he inverts Catholic doctrine, as a modernist change agent (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2014/12/modernists-are-really-traditionalists.html) who is simply following the dictates of ‘The Rebbe’ to be (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/03/noahide-proselytizing-rabbi-riskin.html), “modern on the outside and Chabad on the inside.” One of the most blatant examples is Francis teaching (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html) the тαℓмυdic formula: Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah (“descent for sake of ascent”).  This teaching simply means that one has to descend into sin, which paradoxically has a positive status in Hasidism, in order to ascend to new heights.  This is done because the god of тαℓмυdic Judaism is one of opposites — a hermaphrodite god (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2007/06/vatican-instills-double-mind.html) of good/evil.  In the Hasidic lore, tzaddiks (saints or righteous people) wrestle not with evil but with goodness as they descend into sin in this process in order to ascend into righteousness.  Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah is one of the foundational beliefs of Orthodox тαℓмυdic Judaism along with Tikkun Olam.  In the later belief the rabbis have the chutzpah to state that God made creation imperfect and the тαℓмυdic Jews are to correct his work.

“The Hasidism of Francis’ mind is also shown when he says such things as (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/04/francis-gnostic-gospel.html), “[Jesus] made himself the devil” and (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/03/another-day-another-blasphemous-joke.html) “the Holy Trinity [is] arguing behind closed doors but on the outside they give the picture of unity.”  Who else sees Jesus as a devil or God as a bunch of arguing rabbis other than a тαℓмυdist?  Whether he is parroting the ideas of Heschel (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/reading-francis-through-heschel.html), Levinas (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-hermeneutics-of-тαℓмυdic-alchemical.html), Buber (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/06/francis-kabbalistic-gnostic-god-man.html), Wiesel (https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2016/07/elie-wiesel-pope-francis-rich-orthodox.html), a dead rebbe from the Steppes (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/francis-hasidic-concept-of-god-of.html), or having over rabbis as guests (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/09/how-many-books-on-тαℓмυdic-judaism-does.html) who often gift him with books (Gluck (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/05/francis-adds-copy-of-mystic-tales-from.html) & Steinsaltz (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2016/12/guess-who-had-private-audience-with.html)) there’s an excellent chance it’s comes from the Baal Shem Tov and his cult in one manner or another.

“In the video clip below (http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/1489509/Jєωιѕн/Moving-Back-to-Move-Forward.htm) the late Chabad Lubavitcher rabbi, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, explains why Hasids should descend (into sin) in order to ascend — they are hunters getting ready to kill their prey.  Another late Chasidic rabbi, Abraham Heschel (of Vatican II’s Nostra Aetate), in a 1965 interview with Ma'ariv explained exactly whom the prey were (https://books.google.com/books?id=MYHmbLAm_csC&pg=PA272&lpg=PA272&dq=I+want+to+attack+their+souls.+Today,+there+is+no+longer+any+place+for+religious+wars+as+such.&source=bl&ots=UNNbhGeVdI&sig=YQlapT5ywlHGEbSM0bXgdN_MkaI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9hGoVOLRJtWzyAT0yoCYAw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=I%20want%20to%20attack%20their%20souls.%20Today%2C%20there%20is%20no%20longer%20any%20place%20for%20religious%20wars%20as%20such.&f=false), “There are those who would like to attack [Christians’] bodies. I want to attack their souls.”  The elevation which takes place is one which will incorporate the prey’s soul into the of cult тαℓмυdic Judaism and worship of their demonic hermaphrodite god.   It’s a total inversion of Catholicism, the religion instituted by Jesus the Christ.  So why is Francis teaching it (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/01/where-francis-doctrine-originates.html)?”

the Rebbe explains the Hasidic stratagem of “descent for sake of ascent”
https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html)

See also:



тαℓмυdic zingers from the anti-Pope

“God is purifying the church with sin”
March 7, 2019 (https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2019/03/francis-hasid-god-is-purifying-church.html)

“…the memory of him [Jesus] who has made himself sin, who has made himself the devil, the serpent, for us; he has humbled himself to the point of complete annihilation.”
April 4, 2017 (https://novusordowatch.org/2017/04/francis-christ-made-himself-devil/)

“Inside the Holy Trinity they’re all arguing behind closed doors but on the outside they give the picture of unity.”
March 17, 2017 (https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/03/25/woman-knows-read-pope-francis/)

“…a priest that over weeks gives antisemitic (http://judaism.is/antisemitism.html) talks until Jesus, on the cross, looks at the Virgin, who was at his side, and says to her,
'Mom, let's go since they don't like us;”
January 17, 2014

The infamously blasphemous medieval Toldot Yeschu was republished by Bergoglio’s friend, Chief Rabbi of Rome Ricardo Di Segni, under the misleading title Il vangelo del ghetto (https://openlibrary.org/books/OL2620845M/Il_vangelo_del_ghetto) (The Gospel of the Ghetto), subtitled storie di Gesù (the history of Jesus) and described as “leggende e docuмenti della tradizione medievale ebraica” (legends and docuмents of the medieval Jєωιѕн tradition). What is that “Jєωιѕн tradition”?

The Toledot Yeschu embellishes the Torah's blasphemous mockery that Jesus was a mamzer [bastard] conceived adulterously in niddah [menstrual filth] by a Roman soldier named Pandera [Kallah 51a] of a whore [Sanhedrin 106a] and that He is now in Hell boiling in feces and, in some editions because Jesus is accused of sɛҳuąƖ perversion, semen [Gittin 57a], that the Sanhedrin justly executed Jesus because he was an idolater [Sanhedrin 43a] who worshipped a brick [Sanhedrin 67a], even boasting that the Sanhedrin overcame Roman opposition to the execution of Jesus [Sanhedrin 43a].

See Jesus in the тαℓмυd (http://judaism.is/jesus-in-the-тαℓмυd.html).

1 week after Bergoglio was “elected,” his newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, recommended daily тαℓмυd study

L’Osservatore Romano recommends Daf Yomi (Daily тαℓмυd Lessons)
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/06/losservatore-romano-reccomends-daf-yomi.html (http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2018/06/losservatore-romano-reccomends-daf-yomi.html)


(http://judaism.is/images/l%20osservatore%20romano%20тαℓмυd%20lessons.jpg?crc=3770624196)


scroll to page 6:
L’Osservatore Romano, Anno CLIII n. 96 (46.340), venerdì 26 aprile 2013, Il тαℓмυd giorno per giorno, pagina 6.

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/096q01.pdf (http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_quo/096q01.pdf)
I heard a Jєωιѕн convert talk about this. She was from a Jєωιѕн atheist family who lived during the time of Hitler. She said things were bad. for during that time. Things started to get better when some Christian friends asked her, "Would you like to come to church with us?"  
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 13, 2019, 01:27:06 AM
I heard some cradle Catholics talk about this. They said that Poche makes up stuff out of thin air and that Bergoglio confirms Jews in their faith, preventing them from converting to the One True Faith.
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 14, 2019, 10:01:11 AM
Actually Pope Francis takes the same view as Pope St Pius X,
Pope Pius X said, " I have always been on good terms with Jews." and he also said, " Only the other evening two Jews were here to see me. After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy. These we do not deny to the Jews."
https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904
This half quote of yours is a complete lie that has been repeatedly debunked by several here, yet you repeatedly return to your vomit.

Jorge extolls and submits to the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. Pope St. Pius X rebuked the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, told them of their need for Jesus Christ, and sent them packing.

Hence you LIE when you say the scuмbag Jorge has "the same view" as the Sainted Pope Pius X.
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: poche on November 15, 2019, 02:13:11 AM
This half quote of yours is a complete lie that has been repeatedly debunked by several here, yet you repeatedly return to your vomit.

Jorge extolls and submits to the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. Pope St. Pius X rebuked the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, told them of their need for Jesus Christ, and sent them packing.

Hence you LIE when you say the scuмbag Jorge has "the same view" as the Sainted Pope Pius X.
Whenever Pope Francis speaks about the Jєωιѕн tradition he always speaks about outmoded traditions that need to be done away with. Recently at his public audience he spoke about the Council of Jerusalem. H spoke of this as clarifying this need to promote Faith in Jesus Christ rather than the hidebound traditions of the Jews. 
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 15, 2019, 10:28:27 AM
Whenever Pope Francis speaks about the Jєωιѕн tradition he always speaks about outmoded traditions that need to be done away with. Recently at his public audience he spoke about the Council of Jerusalem. H spoke of this as clarifying this need to promote Faith in Jesus Christ rather than the hidebound traditions of the Jews.

"Whenever…" — Another one of your serial lies!

whenever | (h)wenˈevər, (h)wəˈnevər |
conjunction
every time that

He has NEVER told the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan there is anything wrong with their satanic religion.

Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: poche on November 19, 2019, 01:10:22 AM
"Whenever…" — Another one of your serial lies!

whenever | (h)wenˈevər, (h)wəˈnevər |
conjunction
every time that

He has NEVER told the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan there is anything wrong with their satanic religion.
Him being Catholic tells them that there is something wrong with their religion.
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on November 19, 2019, 06:55:40 AM
“Outmoded” traditions like the 10 commandments?

Pope Francis just met with a lesbian recently when he isn’t meeting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.  Maybe he should read the Bible because you aren’t supposed to hang with sinners who refuse to repent New Testament. 
Jesus said “Go and sin no more. “. 
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 19, 2019, 09:11:56 AM
Him being Catholic tells them that there is something wrong with their religion.

Except he is NOT Catholic.

He is тαℓмυdic, Hasidic!

He preaches their hellish doctrines.

http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#тαℓмυdicantipope (http://judaism.is/st.-francis-on-francis.html#тαℓмυdicantipope)
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Jaynek on November 19, 2019, 09:52:59 AM
Actually Pope Francis takes the same view as Pope St Pius X,
Pope Pius X said, " I have always been on good terms with Jews." and he also said, " Only the other evening two Jews were here to see me. After all, there are other bonds than those of religion: courtesy and philanthropy. These we do not deny to the Jews."
Pope Francis does not take the same view as Pope St. Pius X.
This is a classic example of equivocation, i.e. using the same terms but with different meanings ( a favorite strategy of modernism).  When Pius X spoke of being on good terms with Jews, he was talking about basic civility.  It is probably fair to say that Pius X would carry on a conversation with a Jew without screaming and spitting at him and that Pius X has this in common with Francis (and most people). It is highly dishonest to describe this "taking the same view".

On the contrary, Pius X uncompromisingly held to a traditional Catholic understanding of Judaism, including supercessionism.  This is not the view of Pope Francis at all.  Here is a quote from Francis in an 2014 interview https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-interview-with-la-vanguardia---full-text-45430 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-interview-with-la-vanguardia---full-text-45430):

Interviewer:  You told me a year ago that “within every Christian there is a Jew.”
Francis: Perhaps it would be more correct to say “you cannot live your Christianity, you cannot be a real Christian, if you do not recognize your Jєωιѕн roots.” I don’t speak of Jєωιѕн in the sense of the Semitic race but rather in the religious sense. I think that inter-religious dialogue needs to deepen in this, in Christianity’s Jєωιѕн root and in the Christian flowering of Judaism. I understand it is a challenge, a hot potato, but it can be done as brothers. I pray every day the divine office every day with the Psalms of David. We do the 150 psalms in one week. My prayer is Jєωιѕн and I have the Eucharist, which is Christian.  

The view of Pope Francis on Judaism is nothing like that of any pope before Vatican II. None of them would say anything like this.  You post this quote time after time as if it supported your claims, Poche, but you have been told many, many times that it does not.  This is not an honest mistake but a choice to ignore that people here have corrected your errors.  
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 19, 2019, 02:16:08 PM
Pope Francis does not take the same view as Pope St. Pius X.
This is a classic example of equivocation, i.e. using the same terms but with different meanings ( a favorite strategy of modernism).  When Pius X spoke of being on good terms with Jews, he was talking about basic civility.  It is probably fair to say that Pius X would carry on a conversation with a Jew without screaming and spitting at him and that Pius X has this in common with Francis (and most people). It is highly dishonest to describe this "taking the same view".

On the contrary, Pius X uncompromisingly held to a traditional Catholic understanding of Judaism, including supercessionism.  This is not the view of Pope Francis at all.  Here is a quote from Francis in an 2014 interview https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-interview-with-la-vanguardia---full-text-45430 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-interview-with-la-vanguardia---full-text-45430):

Interviewer:  You told me a year ago that “within every Christian there is a Jew.”
Francis: Perhaps it would be more correct to say “you cannot live your Christianity, you cannot be a real Christian, if you do not recognize your Jєωιѕн roots.” I don’t speak of Jєωιѕн in the sense of the Semitic race but rather in the religious sense. I think that inter-religious dialogue needs to deepen in this, in Christianity’s Jєωιѕн root and in the Christian flowering of Judaism. I understand it is a challenge, a hot potato, but it can be done as brothers. I pray every day the divine office every day with the Psalms of David. We do the 150 psalms in one week. My prayer is Jєωιѕн and I have the Eucharist, which is Christian.  

The view of Pope Francis on Judaism is nothing like that of any pope before Vatican II. None of them would say anything like this.  You post this quote time after time as if it supported your claims, Poche, but you have been told many, many times that it does not.  This is not an honest mistake but a choice to ignore that people here have corrected your errors.  
Bravo on all counts!
Especially: "You post this quote time after time as if it supported your claims, Poche, but you have been told many, many times that it does not.  This is not an honest mistake but a choice to ignore that people here have corrected your errors."  

Jorge and his Judaizing accomplices consistently and deceptively conflate contemporary тαℓмυdic Judaism (an offshoot of Pharisaism) with Mosaic Judaism, a once-true, but no-longer-true religion.

Catholicism "has roots" and is the fulfillment of MOSAIC Judaism, but we have NO ROOTS IN тαℓмυdIC JUDAISM. тαℓмυdic Judaism is a POST-CHRISTIAN and ANTI-CHRISTIAN religion.
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Jaynek on November 20, 2019, 08:24:15 AM
Jorge and his Judaizing accomplices consistently and deceptively conflate contemporary тαℓмυdic Judaism (an offshoot of Pharisaism) with Mosaic Judaism, a once-true, but no-longer-true religion.

Catholicism "has roots" and is the fulfillment of MOSAIC Judaism, but we have NO ROOTS IN тαℓмυdIC JUDAISM. тαℓмυdic Judaism is a POST-CHRISTIAN and ANTI-CHRISTIAN religion.

Exactly.  This is a basic historical fact that needs to be grasped in order to make any sense of the topic. 

The Judaism that is the root of Christianity is based on the Old Testament Scripture, is centered on the Temple, and involves a system of sacrifices.  None of these are characteristics of тαℓмυdic Judaism.  In this religion, тαℓмυd, a collection of commentary and interpretation, has the authoritative role rather Sacred Scripture.  The Temple was destroyed and there are no longer animal sacrifices.  

As you say, it developed from Pharisaism and so Our Lord's description (from chapter 7 of the Gospel of Mark)  applies to both:
 
"And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and precepts of men[8] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=48&ch=7&l=8-#x) For leaving the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men, the washing of pots and of cups: and many other things you do like to these. [9] (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=48&ch=7&l=9-#x) And he said to them: Well do you make void the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition. " 

(I think I just figured out out that Mark79 gets his screen name from Mark 7:9.)
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 20, 2019, 11:36:53 AM
(I think I just figured out out that Mark79 gets his screen name from Mark 7:9.)
Precisely so! :-)
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: poche on November 21, 2019, 01:46:48 AM
Pope Francis does not take the same view as Pope St. Pius X.
This is a classic example of equivocation, i.e. using the same terms but with different meanings ( a favorite strategy of modernism).  When Pius X spoke of being on good terms with Jews, he was talking about basic civility.  It is probably fair to say that Pius X would carry on a conversation with a Jew without screaming and spitting at him and that Pius X has this in common with Francis (and most people). It is highly dishonest to describe this "taking the same view".

On the contrary, Pius X uncompromisingly held to a traditional Catholic understanding of Judaism, including supercessionism.  This is not the view of Pope Francis at all.  Here is a quote from Francis in an 2014 interview https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-interview-with-la-vanguardia---full-text-45430 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-interview-with-la-vanguardia---full-text-45430):

Interviewer:  You told me a year ago that “within every Christian there is a Jew.”
Francis: Perhaps it would be more correct to say “you cannot live your Christianity, you cannot be a real Christian, if you do not recognize your Jєωιѕн roots.” I don’t speak of Jєωιѕн in the sense of the Semitic race but rather in the religious sense. I think that inter-religious dialogue needs to deepen in this, in Christianity’s Jєωιѕн root and in the Christian flowering of Judaism. I understand it is a challenge, a hot potato, but it can be done as brothers. I pray every day the divine office every day with the Psalms of David. We do the 150 psalms in one week. My prayer is Jєωιѕн and I have the Eucharist, which is Christian.  

The view of Pope Francis on Judaism is nothing like that of any pope before Vatican II. None of them would say anything like this.  You post this quote time after time as if it supported your claims, Poche, but you have been told many, many times that it does not.  This is not an honest mistake but a choice to ignore that people here have corrected your errors.  
This is very much in line with what Pope St Pius said when he said that the Jews are the foundation of the Catholic Church. 
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: poche on November 21, 2019, 01:49:08 AM
“Outmoded” traditions like the 10 commandments?

Pope Francis just met with a lesbian recently when he isn’t meeting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.  Maybe he should read the Bible because you aren’t supposed to hang with sinners who refuse to repent New Testament.
Jesus said “Go and sin no more. “.
Jesus said to preach the Gospel to all nations. How is one to preach the Gospel to somebody if we refuse to talk to them? 
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 21, 2019, 02:42:26 AM
This is very much in line with what Pope St Pius said when he said that the Jews are the foundation of the Catholic Church.
Even through the Gospel of St. John you can appreciate how the meaning of “the Jews” changed from meaning the whole of the people to meaning those who conspired against Jesus, murdered Him, and now defame Him and persecute His Church and His new Chosen people, His Believers. 
In days when Catholics were well-catechized, even grammar school Catholics knew these things. Now Catholics are mis-catechized by Judaizers like Jorge and his stooges like Poche who LIE conflating the once-true-but-no-longer-true Mosaic Judaism with never-a-true-religion тαℓмυdic Judaism.
Poche has been repeatedly told this, but he continues to spread his serial, habitual, willful LIES.
Title: Re: Another gift for the rabbi
Post by: Mark 79 on November 21, 2019, 02:44:07 AM
Jesus said to preach the Gospel to all nations. How is one to preach the Gospel to somebody if we refuse to talk to them?
As if Jesus considered it "preaching the Gospel" to confirm people in their sins, like sodomy and Judaism?