Author Topic: Another Francis Interview (Read 1990 times)

2Vermont · « **on:** December 15, 2013, 08:07:02 AM »

Somebody stop him..... God, please?

http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/index.htm#.Uq22UCyA2yc

Here's one diddy:

•"Today there is an ecuмenism of blood. In some countries they kill Christians for wearing a cross or having a Bible and before they kill them they do not ask them whether they are Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic or Orthodox. Their blood is mixed. To those who kill we are Christians. We are united in blood, even though we have not yet managed to take necessary steps towards unity between us and perhaps the time has not yet come. Unity is a gift that we need to ask for."

cathman7 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 15, 2013, 08:53:59 AM »

Elementary Catholic teaching is that the Church is already completely united. It cannot be any other way. Christ did not found a Church which would lose its unity.

Any basic understanding of Catholic teaching would reveal this.

This is more gobbledegook from the Pope. It is more sentimental nonsense.

soulguard · « **Reply #2 on:** December 15, 2013, 08:58:51 AM »

What is the logic in groups like the SSPX who say this man is their superior?

He cannot be their superior, he is not a Catholic.
IF he is their superior then the hierarchy is rendered useless.

Catholic religion depends on the hierarchy, and if the hierarchy can be paralyzed so easily, because non-Catholics get top positions and Catholics refuse to depose them, then the church is paralyzed, and there is no hope of recovery.

Without the hierarchy functioning properly, the faith is in danger.
Sedevacantism is a necessary first step, founding a new hierarchy is the second step. Only then can we be sure that the religion will continue.

Anyone who says otherwise for some obscure theological reason is holding back the solution to the crisis in the church, and is directly supporting the right of APOSTATES to lead the Catholic church.
:furtive:

2Vermont · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2013, 09:25:13 AM »

Quote from: obscurus

Elementary Catholic teaching is that the Church is already completely united. It cannot be any other way. Christ did not found a Church which would lose its unity.

Any basic understanding of Catholic teaching would reveal this.

This is more gobbledegook from the Pope. It is more sentimental nonsense.

Exactly. But again Francis is just repeating Vatican II's heretical understanding of "unity".

2Vermont · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2013, 09:28:53 AM »

Quote from: soulguard

What is the logic in groups like the SSPX who say this man is their superior?

He cannot be their superior, he is not a Catholic.
IF he is their superior then the hierarchy is rendered useless.

Catholic religion depends on the hierarchy, and if the hierarchy can be paralyzed so easily, because non-Catholics get top positions and Catholics refuse to depose them, then the church is paralyzed, and there is no hope of recovery.

Without the hierarchy functioning properly, the faith is in danger.
Sedevacantism is a necessary first step, founding a new hierarchy is the second step. Only then can we be sure that the religion will continue.

Anyone who says otherwise for some obscure theological reason is holding back the solution to the crisis in the church, and is directly supporting the right of APOSTATES to lead the Catholic church.
:furtive:

This can't go on much longer. And I agree with you. If Catholics continue to call him legitimate, they become part of the problem and the crisis will not end without divine intervention. Probably not a popular thing to say here, but whatev.

JPaul · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2013, 09:39:49 AM »

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•"Today there is an ecuмenism of blood. In some countries they kill Christians for wearing a cross or having a Bible and before they kill them they do not ask them whether they are Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic or Orthodox. Their blood is mixed. To those who kill we are Christians. We are united in blood, even though we have not yet managed to take necessary steps towards unity between us and perhaps the time has not yet come. Unity is a gift that we need to ask for."
•"I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the nαzιs for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: 'I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.' This is what ecuмenism of blood is."

He needs to re read Cantate Domino and stop spreading heretical ideas which confuse the faithful.

2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2013, 10:59:24 AM »

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•"Today there is an ecuмenism of blood. In some countries they kill Christians for wearing a cross or having a Bible and before they kill them they do not ask them whether they are Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic or Orthodox. Their blood is mixed. To those who kill we are Christians. We are united in blood, even though we have not yet managed to take necessary steps towards unity between us and perhaps the time has not yet come. Unity is a gift that we need to ask for."
•"I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the nαzιs for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: 'I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.' This is what ecuмenism of blood is."

He needs to re read Cantate Domino and stop spreading heretical ideas which confuse the faithful.

I don't think he is interested.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2013, 11:11:32 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: J.Paul
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•"Today there is an ecuмenism of blood. In some countries they kill Christians for wearing a cross or having a Bible and before they kill them they do not ask them whether they are Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic or Orthodox. Their blood is mixed. To those who kill we are Christians. We are united in blood, even though we have not yet managed to take necessary steps towards unity between us and perhaps the time has not yet come. Unity is a gift that we need to ask for."
•"I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the nαzιs for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: 'I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.' This is what ecuмenism of blood is."

He needs to re read Cantate Domino and stop spreading heretical ideas which confuse the faithful.

I don't think he is interested.

Like any dedicated Vatican Modernist, he has a job to do and he's going to do it.

bowler · « **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2013, 01:50:34 PM »

Quote from: J.Paul

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•"Today there is an ecuмenism of blood. In some countries they kill Christians for wearing a cross or having a Bible and before they kill them they do not ask them whether they are Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic or Orthodox. Their blood is mixed. To those who kill we are Christians. We are united in blood, even though we have not yet managed to take necessary steps towards unity between us and perhaps the time has not yet come. Unity is a gift that we need to ask for."
•"I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the nαzιs for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: 'I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.' This is what ecuмenism of blood is."

He needs to re read Cantate Domino and stop spreading heretical ideas which confuse the faithful.

What's the difference between Francis and Fellay? At least Francis's "saved" are spilling their blood for Christ, while Fellay's saved didn't do squat! And this is what is taught at the SSPX seminaries.

Bishop Bernard Fellay, Conference in Denver, Co., Feb. 18, 2006:

“We know that there are two other baptisms, that of desire and that of blood. These produce an invisible but real link with Christ but do not produce all of the effects which are received in the baptism of water… And the Church has always taught that you have people who will be in heaven, who are in the state of grace, who have been saved without knowing the Catholic Church. We know this. And yet, how is it possible if you cannot be saved outside the Church? It is absolutely true that they will be saved through the Catholic Church because they will be united to Christ, to the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Catholic Church. It will, however, remain invisible, because this visible link is impossible for them. Consider a Hindu in Tibet who has no knowledge of the Catholic Church. He lives according to his conscience and to the laws which God has put into his heart. He can be in the state of grace, and if he dies in this state of grace, he will go to heaven.” (The Angelus, “A Talk Heard Round the World,” April, 2006, p. 5.)

2Vermont · « **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2013, 03:36:55 PM »

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: J.Paul
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•"Today there is an ecuмenism of blood. In some countries they kill Christians for wearing a cross or having a Bible and before they kill them they do not ask them whether they are Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic or Orthodox. Their blood is mixed. To those who kill we are Christians. We are united in blood, even though we have not yet managed to take necessary steps towards unity between us and perhaps the time has not yet come. Unity is a gift that we need to ask for."
•"I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the nαzιs for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: 'I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.' This is what ecuмenism of blood is."

He needs to re read Cantate Domino and stop spreading heretical ideas which confuse the faithful.

What's the difference between Francis and Fellay? At least Francis's "saved" are spilling their blood for Christ, while Fellay's saved didn't do squat! And this is what is taught at the SSPX seminaries.

Bishop Bernard Fellay, Conference in Denver, Co., Feb. 18, 2006:

“We know that there are two other baptisms, that of desire and that of blood. These produce an invisible but real link with Christ but do not produce all of the effects which are received in the baptism of water… And the Church has always taught that you have people who will be in heaven, who are in the state of grace, who have been saved without knowing the Catholic Church. We know this. And yet, how is it possible if you cannot be saved outside the Church? It is absolutely true that they will be saved through the Catholic Church because they will be united to Christ, to the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Catholic Church. It will, however, remain invisible, because this visible link is impossible for them. Consider a Hindu in Tibet who has no knowledge of the Catholic Church. He lives according to his conscience and to the laws which God has put into his heart. He can be in the state of grace, and if he dies in this state of grace, he will go to heaven.” (The Angelus, “A Talk Heard Round the World,” April, 2006, p. 5.)

Francis' comments are not about who receives salvation. He's talking about what unites us. Rather than pointing out that unity is found in the Catholic Church, he states that we somehow united in other ways and that we still need to be united. That is the issue we're discussing here.

Really, not everything goes back to baptism of blood or desire.

TKGS · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2013, 03:39:37 PM »

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•"I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the nαzιs for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: 'I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.' This is what ecuмenism of blood is."

31 October 2017 is going to be very interesting.

2Vermont · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2013, 03:50:06 PM »

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•"I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the nαzιs for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: 'I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.' This is what ecuмenism of blood is."

31 October 2017 is going to be very interesting.

Wait, I just re-read that quote. Was the Lutheran pastor teaching the Catholic Catechism? LOL Somehow I'm thinking, NO.

Luker · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2013, 04:13:34 PM »

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•"I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the nαzιs for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: 'I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.' This is what ecuмenism of blood is."

31 October 2017 is going to be very interesting.

Yes it will be interesting. Oct 2017 will be another significant anniversary date as well. Can anyone guess what that will be? :wink:

Luke

OHCA · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2013, 05:27:46 PM »

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•"I knew a parish priest in Hamburg who was dealing with the beatification cause of a Catholic priest guillotined by the nαzιs for teaching children the catechism. After him, in the list of condemned individuals, was a Lutheran pastor who was killed for the same reason. Their blood was mixed. The parish priest told me he had gone to the bishop and said to him: 'I will continue to deal with the cause, but both of their causes, not just the Catholic priest’s.' This is what ecuмenism of blood is."

31 October 2017 is going to be very interesting.

It will be interesting to see Francis try to drag that wretched ass spawned by the father of lies out of the pits of hell if he hasn't already joined him by then.

Cantarella · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2013, 05:44:37 PM »

Watching pope Francis is such an act of Penance.