The death knell tolled for Tulsa when a new-age progressive priest was sent from the Austin diocese to wreck havoc with traditionalists. Now the same diocese has spawned a new evil towards the double diocese of Pensacola-Tallahassee, FL. Fr. William Wack (pronounced a German 'woch', but the pun is appropriate) will be ordained in August. There is a diocesan Latin Mass parish, St. Stephen's in Pensacola that may soon be void of their priest. Pray for them. Lord, have mercy.

Tulsa got a new bishop and Fr. Wack is also being ordained a new bishop. They have been sent to eradicate the Latin Mass. 

The death knell tolled for Tulsa when a new-age progressive priest was sent from the Austin diocese to wreck havoc with traditionalists. Now the same diocese has spawned a new evil towards the double diocese of Pensacola-Tallahassee, FL. Fr. William Wack (pronounced a German 'woch', but the pun is appropriate) will be ordained in August. There is a diocesan Latin Mass parish, St. Stephen's in Pensacola that may soon be void of their priest. Pray for them. Lord, have mercy.

Jovita is talking about the crap happening in my diocese, which I reported on this week:
http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/07/tlm-troubles-in-tulsa.html
But Jovita, you seem to be talking about something new.  
#1. So, Pensacola-Talahassee is getting a new priest (Wack), and losing a diocesan Latin Mass priest?  
#2. Are you saying that the Talahassee diocese wants to replace the Latin Mass priest with this Fr. Wack?
#3. What does Austin have to do with this Florida diocese?  


Tell me more.  PM if you want.

-LH

Let it happen and fast. These pseudo traditionalists that cling to the indultarian priests and "religious communities" like FSSP and ICK for their hopes need to learn the lesson the hard way. You can't dance with the devil and leave the floor with your Faith. They are compromisers, lukewarm, convenience seekers. No sympathy for them from me.

Traditional Catholics do not go to the Indult Mass.

Some Trads are holier than others.

Some Trads are holier than others.

Not so.  Just an orthodox Catholic.  Here is a question asked to Fr. Wathen about the Indult - and he answers as follows:  
Q.  I have a friend who is well-educated, comes from a Traditional family, all of whom go to a Society (SSPX) Mass, and who could go to a Society Mass herself. She goes to the Indult Mass because it is in a nicer church than the Society Mass. What exactly could I tell her to get her to stop going to the Indult Mass?
 
                 Fr. Wathen -  A.  People should know that attending the Indult Mass represents a very serious compromise of their faith. Before a bishop allows the traditional Latin Mass in one of his (now Novus Ordo) churches, according to papal direction, he exacts this commitment: Those to whom the Mass is made available must give a verbal acceptance to the Second Vatican Council and to the New Mass. Whether they know it or not, everyone who attends the Indult Mass makes the same implicit commitment. In the days of the Roman persecutions, a (Catholic) Christian could escape martyrdom if he would burn the tiniest pinch of incense before one of the (countless) Roman gods. The commitment which the Pope and bishops require is that pinch of incense.
 
                   There are other problems connected to the New Mass, none of which is trivial. For one thing, the Novus Ordo Missae desecrates the church in which it is offered. Also, in my humble opinion, Communion in the Hand is another act of desecration, inflicted upon the Sacramental Body of Christ directly. The law requires that, once a church or oratory has been desecrated, Catholic services may not be held there until it is properly reconciled.
 
                   A further problem pertains to the Hosts in the tabernacle, which are distributed during the Indult Mass. Probably these Hosts were consecrated during one of the parish Masses, which are regularly offered. There is real doubt as to the validity of the consecration of the New Mass, hence, these Hosts are doubtfully consecrated also. One cannot be certain one is receiving Christ or plain bread.
 
                   Yet another problem pertains to the celebrant of the Indult Mass. If he was ordained in the New Rite of Ordination, which was introduced in 1967, his orders are very dubious, so gravely so that there is reason to question whether he can forgive sins in the Sacrament of Penance or offer Mass. If your friend persists in going to the Indult Mass after hearing these disturbing considerations, it would seem that her problem is more than just a desire to attend Mass in a more attractive environment.

Not a sede in any way and never have been. Just a realist.

Ah, well thanks for the clarification.  

I suppose you're right.  I and the community in my town deserve to learn the hard lesson hard and fast, and we deserve no sympathy as we are compromises, and we are lukewarm convenience seekers.  

Maybe one day we can be as noble as you.   :applause:

The mass is not the Faith.  If so, then the indult wouldn't be a problem.  But learning, knowing and loving the Faith is our absolute responsibility and is more important than attending mass.  The Japanese, for over a century, had no mass, but they kept the Faith.  The point is, those who say the indult TLM may have very good intentions and, i'd rather have them saying the TLM than the novus ordo, but do they have the Faith?  The FULL faith?  No, their Faith is mixed with liberalism/modernism/quasi-heresy.

I'm not saying it's their fault, but it's a fact.  So, one must avoid these priests/places for the good and safety of your own soul.  We must convert them!  We must hand them literature to read so that they LEAVE new-rome and come to tradition, 100%.  The traditional liturgy, while good, does not repair or correct the modernist/heretical IDEALS which infest churches and schools run by new-rome.  A few hours a week of mass (assuming the sermon is orthodox and not tainted with sentimentalism or worse) cannot compete with 8 hrs A DAY of modernistic thinking and the protestantization of catholic living.  New rome is an occasion of sin to one's faith!  Especially their schools!

You also make a BIG assumption at an indult that 1) the priest is validly ordained, 2) that he was properly trained in the TLM, so that the mass itself isn't invalid, 3) you hope he isn't using hosts 'consecrated' at the novus ordo, when he distributes communion, 4) he's not saying mass in a church where the novus ordo takes place, therefore this chuch is not desecrated by blasphemies and sacrileges of the novus ordo.  ...if any of the above are problems, however, then the TLM is just a 'dog and pony' show and is an offense to God.