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Another Case Where the Catholic Church is Wrong
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2013, 06:51:01 PM »
Pope Pius XII replies to Fr Feeney & supports him in the Bull Humani Generis. Anyone who trashes Fr Feeney (or claims that there is such a thing as 'Feeneyism' or such a person as a 'Feeneyite') is trashing the Pope as well.  :facepalm:

Another Case Where the Catholic Church is Wrong
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 06:53:18 PM »
Any piece of paper claiming that Fr Feeney was called to Rome or ex-communicated for not complying  :reporter:is a fraud.


Another Case Where the Catholic Church is Wrong
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2013, 06:48:30 AM »
Quote from: roscoe
Any piece of paper claiming that Fr Feeney was called to Rome or ex-communicated for not complying  :reporter:is a fraud.


Not that it matters to you.  But the facts beg to differ.  :detective:

If you do real detective work you will find out.

Another Case Where the Catholic Church is Wrong
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2013, 08:00:14 AM »
Some material for those who want to do the research from CMRI web site:

St. Alphonsus on Baptism of Blood and Desire
 ...Concerning Baptism of Blood and Desire An Extract from St Alphonsus Liguori’s Moral Theology, Bk. 6, nn. 95-7 Baptism, therefore, coming from a Greek...
 ...is distinguished into Baptism of water [“fluminis”], of desire [“flaminis” = wind] and of blood. We shall speak below of Baptism of water, which was...
http://www.cmri.org/02-baptism_blood-desire_stalph.html
 

Blood and Desire: Teachings of Popes, Councils, Fathers, Doctors, Theologians
 ...Baptism of Blood and of Desire From the teachings of the Popes, the Council of Trent, the 1917 Code of Canon Law, the Roman Martyrology, the Fathers,...
 ...all are not necessary for every individual, without them or without the desire of them (sine eis aut eorum voto), through faith alone men obtain from God...
http://www.cmri.org/02-baptism_blood-desire_quotes.shtml
 

Editor's Letter for Issue #122 of The Reign of Mary
 ...this to mean that “Baptism of Desire” is sufficient to save an adult, who through no fault of his own, cannot receive Baptism of Water, but this is not...
 ...the necessary acts of supernatural faith and charity which accompany Baptism by desire. I find it interesting that Fr. Brian hαɾɾιson, the same Novus...
http://www.cmri.org/rm122-editors_letter.html
 

Adsum: Mater Dei Seminary Newsletter January 2004
 ...Baptism of Blood and of Desire From the teachings of the Popes, the Council of Trent, the 1917 Code of Canon Law, the Roman Martyrology, the Fathers,...
 ...all are not necessary for every individual, without them or without the desire of them (sine eis aut eorum voto), through faith alone men obtain from God...
http://www.cmri.org/adsum04-1a.html
 

Decrees of Vatican II Compared with Past Infallible Church Teaching: Liturgy
 ...Church, he must still follow the natural law to be saved (implicit baptism of desire). It is evident, according to Catholic theology, that these false...
http://www.cmri.org/02-v2_non-christian.shtml
 

Decrees of Vatican II Compared with Past Infallible Church Teaching: Ecuмenism
 ...is striving to overcome. Nevertheless, all those justified by faith through baptism are incorporated into Christ. They, therefore, have a right to be...
 ...and one shepherd...” in the sense that Christ thereby merely expressed a desire or a prayer which as yet has not been granted. The Church, they say, is...
http://www.cmri.org/02-v2_ecuмenism.shtml
 

Traditional Catholic Magazine: The Reign of Mary (#117)
 ...One more discussion on baptism of desire: Neither baptism of desire nor baptism of blood are the sacrament of Baptism, but in cases of necessity they...
 ...Michael and Peter Dimond why they reject the Church’s teaching on Baptism of Desire and of Blood. As of June 1, 2004, there has been no reply or...
http://www.cmri.org/rm117.html
 

Traditional Catholic Magazine: The Reign of Mary (#115)
 ...Concerning Baptism of Blood and Desire Extract from St. Alphonsus Liguori: Moral Theology, Bk. 6, nn. 95-7 “Baptism, therefore, coming from a Greek...
 ...into Baptism of water [‘fluminis’], of desire [‘flaminis’ = wind] and of blood... Now it is de fide that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by...
http://www.cmri.org/rm115.html
 

Traditional Catholic Magazine: The Reign of Mary (#116)
 ...Baptism of Desire and of Blood From the teachings of the Popes, the Council of Trent, the 1917 Code of Canon Law, the Roman Martyrology, the Fathers,...
 ...necessity of Baptism. As we can see from the following quotes, it is necessary for salvation to belong to the Catholic Church — at least by desire. It...
http://www.cmri.org/rm116.html
 

Traditional Catholic Magazine: The Reign of Mary (#118)
 ......Arguing as we sometimes do with those who deny (heretically) Baptism of Blood and of Desire, it is important to understand that God creates no one for...
http://www.cmri.org/rm118.html

Another Case Where the Catholic Church is Wrong
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2013, 12:21:26 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth
Why are anti-Catholics who thumb down Catholic teaching from the Catholic Encyclopedia allowed to post here.  Why don't you go to an anti-Catholic site where you belong and thumb up some heresy?


What the so-called "Catholic Encyclopedia" says there is most certainly NOT Catholic doctrine but pure modernist baloney.

Quote from: Lover of Truth
The Catholic Encyclopedia (1910)
Vol. 14, TOLERATION, J. Pohle

Otherwise the gentle breathing of grace is not confined within the walls of the Catholic Church, but reaches the hearts of many who stand afar, working in them the marvel of justification and thus ensuring the eternal salvation of numberless men who either, like upright Jews and pagans, do not know the true Church, or, like so many Protestants educated in gross prejudice, cannot appreciate her true nature.


"Upright Jews (Christ-deniers) and pagans"??? "Upright Protestants"???

And they know all this how???


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To all such, the Church does not close the gate of Heaven,
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FALSE!

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although she insists that there are essential means of grace which are not within the reach of non-Catholics.
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This Pohle just put full-blown Jews, pagans and Protestants into Heaven, and still says this.

Quote from: Lover of Truth
In his allocution "Singulari quadam" of 9 December, 1854, which emphasized the dogma of the Church as necessary for salvation, Pius IX uttered the consoling principle: "Sed tamen pro certo...." (But it is likewise certain that those who are ignorant of the true religion, if their ignorance is invincible, are not, in this matter, guilty of any fault in the sight of God). (Denzinger n. 1647)


Yeah, they are not GUILTY of infidelity, but of course they DO use this to put them into Heaven, even when they say that there is no such thing as "sanctifying ignorance". Amazing!

Quote from: Lover of Truth
. . . As early as 1713 Clement XI condemned in his dogmatic Bull "Unigenitus" the proposition of the Jensenist Quesnel: . . . no grace is given outside the Church. . . just as Alexander VIII has already condemned in 1690 the Jansenistic proposition of Arnauld: . . . (Pagans, Jews, heretics, and other people of the sort, receive no influx [of grace] whatsoever from Jesus Christ). . . Catholics who are conversant with the teachings of their Church know how to draw the proper conclusions. . .


Prevenient graces Pohle! Not sanctifying grace!