I didn't want to hijack the previous thread regarding CAF suspending and banning members, so I came here.
My husband, God bless him, cannot stay away from CAF. This whole mess with B16, the book, and condoms sent him back over there for some reason. I actually asked him why he went there and he said he just wanted to share some reason and insight with them.
As suspected, he was issued an infraction, the thread was removed, and he was suspended for 10 days.
I'll copy his original post below. What I want to really point out is the reason for his suspension. It is quite hilarious, actually, but very telling.
If anyone here is still NO, this should really be the catalyst one needs to take an honest look at that.
His original post:
It seems to me quite possible to be both infallible and incompetent. Certainly it is possible to be both right and a poor communicator. For example, a college professor may have an exquisite understanding of his subject, but be such a poor teacher that the whole class fails. In a similar way, something like 95% of practicing Catholics disagree with the church's teaching on birth control. The church has been grossly incompetent in catechizing on this subject, among many others. One has to be quite careful in choosing examples, as people tend to only hear the concrete examples and miss the abstract and main points. I think the current pope, and all the popes since the second council, have been lost in abstract, post-modern theology and forgotten the core messages of the church.
Any defense of the pope can only be on what he meant to say.
Any attack can only be on what most people will hear (actually mishear).
I'm holding the pope to a higher standard. I expect the pope to get his head out of post-modern thought, stop using examples that apply to less than 2% of situations, and actually communicate something that makes sense to average people.
And if people leave the church, so be it. What difference does it make how many people attend church if they ultimately go to hell? The only difference I see is in how much money goes in the basket.CAF Moderator Robert Bray's response:
This site exists for Catholics to dialogue with one another and become more knowledgeable in their faith. Additionally, we welcome non-Catholics to dialogue, discuss, debate, educate us about their faith, or be educated about ours. We do not require that posters subscribe to the doctrines or dogma of Catholicism; we do require of all posters, Catholic and non-Catholic, that they not disrespect Catholicism, any other faith and not disrespect the Magistarium or the clergy.
Catholics who post here mirror those in the general population, displaying wide differences as to the extent of catechesis, how observant each is, his degree of faithfulness to the Magisterium, and the strength each has in his faith. That our Catholic members span such a continuum is the precise reason why the content and tenor of your posts is a matter of concern.
When Catholic posters who recognize weaknesses in their own faith are confronted with statements by non-Catholics, they generally understand the need to question the good-faith basis of the statements and determine whether they are at odds with Church teaching. However, given an apparently knowledgeable assertion by one self-identified as "Catholic" (such as you are), the risk is greater that the "weak" or under-catechized will accept an assertion at face value. The problem is that you elect to speak authoritatively on issues in which your personal beliefs are counter to Church teachings and you not infrequently express disdain for the Church, Magistarium and clergy, particularly with regard to Church teaching on sɛҳuąƖity and contriception.
We have a responsibility to protect those who come here, whether to strengthen their faith or to learn about Catholicism, from persons who propound an erroneous view of Church teachings. That you elect to do the latter under the guise of being a faithful Catholic is its own form of disrespect for the Catholic faith and is disruptive to the forums. It is clear from your posts that you generally understand the Church's position, elect not to embrace it, and purposefully expound contrary views that you have adopted.
As we wish to encourage your return to belief consistent with your stated faith, you are not being banned from the forum; however, I am suspending your posting privilegesfor 10 days. During this time, I urge you to review writings in the Catholic Answers Library and study the Catechism of the Catholic Church. In doing so, I encourage you to have, as your goal, reconciliation between your beliefs and the Church's teaching, as well as development of a healthy respect for the Church - or, at least, the ability to express your disagreement in a respectful, charitable, and civil manner.
While it is not possible to mandate faithfulness to the Magisterium on the part of Catholic posters here and we recognize that there are instances in which Catholics may legitimately differ in their understanding and beliefs, on your return we will be looking for you to be self-moderating the tone, tenor, and content of your posts. The intended result would be that readers are neither subjected to to a misapprehension that your personal opinions are consistent with mainstream Catholic belief where they are not nor to a sense of outright disdain on your part for the Church and authentic Catholic teaching.
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I emphasized the amazing statements in red.
Now, how our views on sɛҳuąƖity and contraception are not in line with the Magisterium is incredible, considering we don't use contraception and we have 7 children.
I suppose now that wearing condoms is "Church teaching" and those of us who don't approve are living contrary to the Magisterium.
You just gotta shake your head in disbelief....
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