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Animal free diet and a woman's cycle/ the rhythm method
« on: December 27, 2017, 02:41:39 PM »
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  • So, I was watching some vegan health videos where women would discuss how a vegan diet affects their "cycle".  Many women who went onto a vegan diet would lose their period for a number of months to sometimes a number of years.  And, the women I observed discuss this were all well under 40 years old.  And, some would also note that their cycle was less predictable to almost not predictable at all on a vegan animal free diet.  They said they would show no sign or symptoms on an animal free diet, compared to perhaps week(s) of cramps and other physical and emotional highs and lows of modern women.  They would certainly admit that lows were eliminated or mitigated.  And, that makes me wonder also if highs were to a certain extent changed and maybe mitigated.  Meaning, animal free diet balances out lows and highs of a womans cycle.  And, this makes me wonder if an animal free diet would make the rhythm method either not so accurate or not as easy to follow/observe.  Perhaps a trad woman can look into this and maybe try this out on herself and see what information can be drawn as to how it may effect observing the rhythm cycle and determining fertile periods for NFP use.  Because, if an animal free diet makes a womens cycle more hidden, I think that is a good thing.  Woman's style is very hidden in many ways, why should their cycle be any different?  We are eating more fake artificial unhealthy and animal foods these days than in any generation.  And, what may be a resulting by-product?  Perhaps a by product is the over exposing of women resulting in the avoidance of pregnancy in favor of spousal lust.  Is that possible?  Maybe.  I have always simply just been bothered by the existence of knowledge of NFP.  The fact we have knowledge of it is my gripe.  If we consent to such knowledge, pius xii's 4 exceptions and protocol(confessor approval) are quite reasonable.   But, why should we concede to the knowledge?  I think we can argue its knowledge should not exist, and the results of an plant based(traditional) diet may support that.  

    For all of the people who are offended by the word vegan or phrase animal free, just replace it with plant based.  Because, I am talking about diet here.  I am not talking about religion  We are allowed to eat animals.  Some, would argue out of emergency, others would argue out of selfishness.  But, they would never admit that.  
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    Re: Animal free diet and a woman's cycle/ the rhythm method
    « Reply #1 on: December 27, 2017, 09:02:57 PM »
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  • Well, I am a teacher for Mucus Method.  I can say some things.  First, Fats.  More fats/estrogens, can affect the mucus from 5-6 days to weeks of mucus and days that follow that should be 10-14 days before Menstruation can be shortened to a point that if there was a conception, it would not have enough time to implant which would bring to miscarriage.

    For women who are with anorexia, affects mucus, to no mucus.  Women have a hard time getting pregnant.  Now, what about a loss of period.  Certainly is a reaction to lack of hormones.  Everything that is to work the cycles, begins in the brain!  FSH and LH.

    It would bother me that women who would have periods and then do not is missing, what?  I say they are missing good fats.  These women should be monitored for fats and if they get to low, they are in danger.



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    Re: Animal free diet and a woman's cycle/ the rhythm method
    « Reply #2 on: December 27, 2017, 09:05:42 PM »
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  • This video of these kinds of women also appear to me as women who don't like menstrual periods.  I knew of women who would purposely have hysterectomies so as not to have a menstrual.  Strange!  

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    Re: Animal free diet and a woman's cycle/ the rhythm method
    « Reply #3 on: December 27, 2017, 10:52:24 PM »
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  • PG - Based on the info you're giving here, I don't think this diet would achieve what you're suggesting. First, I think the idea that NFP is primarily about ticking off days on a calendar is very old-school. Isn't modern NFP much more about tracking the changes your body displays so that you'd know what's going on whether your cycles be regular or not? So, if that is correct, the irregularity caused by the diet would not negate the effectiveness of modern NFP.
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    Re: Animal free diet and a woman's cycle/ the rhythm method
    « Reply #4 on: December 27, 2017, 11:04:15 PM »
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  • I'm nowhere near an expert on woman's health issues, except to say that an 'animal free' diet today does not have the same meaning as 50 years ago.  Today all of our mass-produced meat and dairy is full of chemical estrogens which adversely affect the hormones and health of everyone - males and females.  So, many women today, i'm sure, are negatively affected, menstrually, through our modern diet.  This explains why women who went vegan felt better; they got rid of the chemical estrogens.  But, they just traded one problem for another - a lack of a cycle is a sign of a health problem as well - i.e. missing nutrients.  The solution is not to go vegan but to eat healthy animal products (grass fed, amish-style organic), which will provide the body with much needed (and often missing) healthy fats, as the poster above pointed out, as well as other key vitamins and minerals.


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    Re: Animal free diet and a woman's cycle/ the rhythm method
    « Reply #5 on: December 28, 2017, 02:06:44 AM »
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  • My OP is quite a rough draft, and this subject is a rough draft, so don't think I am jumping to any conclusion despite sounding biased.  I am just trying to argue to a bias, because there is no need to argue its opposite.  Its opposite seems to have nothing but support.

    Songbird - when I watched recent novus ordo promotionals about NFP they mentioned mucus monitoring as a sign or symptom and it seemed the primary sign they monitored.  And, these vegan ladies mentioned that they have reduced signs or symptoms.  And, like materdominici mentions I don't think nfp is like ticking days off of a calendar.  So, combine reduced signs(mucus) with irregularity, how would one feel confident with this system?  One women who went onto the vegan diet mentioned that here pre vegan cycle negatives(her period) were very intense, and that was perhaps a reason why she sought on a vegan diet.  Almost all of them report not having any negatives or pain on a vegan diet.

    Pax Vobis - one female mentioned how all of these artificial hormones are a big causer.  I ate an animal free diet for many years.  And, I was able to do it because it is quite simple when clear cut.  But, to go organic meat and dairy and all organic for that matter I am not able to do.  But, I would love to experience its effects.  Because, I am biased against animal products when I am only really familiar with common meat and dairy, and as you say, they are pumped with chemicals and what not.  I almost feel it disqualifies me from judging.  I do know that I become quite defenseless to cravings when I eat any modern processed foods or modern meat/dairy.  I wonder how my cravings would be if I ate organic meat and dairy.  I think I could test that.  I do know that on a non organic vegan diet, I was free from cravings.  Hence, that is why I was able to do it for years.  

    Materdominici -I know it is a stretch.  But, if it can strengthen an argument, then I will be glad to explore it.  

    My thinking is that there is a reason NFP(which touts like a 99% success rate) only came about recently.  Previous generations were very clever.  And, nfp seems quite simple.  You would think that this knowledge would have come about earlier.  And, this knowledge has come about by observation.  Vegans say a plant based natural fat diet reduces or eliminates signs and symptoms(observation?).  A natural plant based with more natural fats would be closer or in fact the diet of past ages.  Perhaps that means you can associate the two.  Woman of the past did not have signs an symptoms enabling or suggesting the knowledge of NFP.  

    Dr. John Mcdougall in his seminars would always talk about how high fat diets and/or fruiticians(people who only eat fruit) is not a traditional diet because it couldn't exist in past ages.  And, he argues against them.  He argues that the traditional diet is the starchavore diet(eating plant based starches).  Catholics are traditionalists.  If diet is proximate to a females signs and symptoms, and our diet is proven not traditional, why should we change our morality to fit new females signs and symptoms?  Our morality is supposed to be traditional, preserved in the deposit of the faith.

    Perhaps we ought to find out if the amish are practicing NFP.   Because, they consume a lot of organic fats(milk) I think.  It would be neat to find out about their females cycles and signs and symptoms.  But, they don't even allow people to take photographs of them.  So, I would think their women would remain "hidden" in this manner.  But, that is good, so I will prefer that.    




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    Re: Animal free diet and a woman's cycle/ the rhythm method
    « Reply #6 on: December 28, 2017, 04:28:24 PM »
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  • All I can say is this: Without the mucus, a lady can not get pregnant.  It keeps the sperm alive and filter out the abnormal sperm.  Dr. Billings states that he found the information in a book dated at the turn of the century (1900)  also that american indians (medicine chief) had this information as well.  The way God made us as always been this.  That is why I am saying, that these strange women just may be up to liking no menstrual.  If they can not see the mucus or it is so scant, they can not achieve pregnancy.  If they wish to have their cycles back, then they will have to do it by nutrition.