Author Topic: Bugnini: "I am the liturgical reform!" (Read 1909 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2010, 05:22:39 PM »

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Where they all really sick and tired of the Latin Mass and wanted it gone that badly?

If we look at cause and effect one must notice that the Catholic people were no longer willing to confront the enemies of the church and call them enemies. You cannot resist an enemy you are afraid to even name. The Church failed to confront the Jєωιѕн power, was afraid to name it, afraid to name the successors to the scribes and pharisees and its power. How can you remain whole if you cannot even name your enemy, the enemy that Christ was crucified for naming?

The moment the SSPX refuses to name the Jєωιѕн enemies of the Church it is finished.

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #11 on:** October 13, 2010, 11:04:31 PM »

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When something is no longer appreciated, God takes it away. The Traditional Latin Mass was not appreciated much anymore, most people didn't try to save it during Vatican II. So God took it away. See, God allows evil as punishment, and also as a way to bring people closer to Him. It is part of His permissable will.

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Thanks to everyone for your replies. All of you are of course correct. We must always look at any cloud and see if it has a silver lining, as SpiritusSanctus pointed out above.

I guess what staggers my mind is that the majority of the clergy and the laity had to be truly faithless in order for God to allow something as monstrous as false teachings even from the occupants of Peter's Chair, the destruction of churches and statuary, and taking away the Mass of All Time. This was no slap on the wrist, or just a wake up call. This was practically a knockout punch in the twelfth round. Were things really so bad in Latin America, for example, where half of all Catholics lived before Vat2, or in the Phillipines, or Africa? Does anyone know or just have suppositions?

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #12 on:** October 13, 2010, 11:11:06 PM »

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Not sure if I agree that innocent people are lost. I truly believe that God will somehow enlighten or give them the grace to see the truth, but then its up to them to accept the grace and do what is necessary. i.e. give up your family, friends who are following the NO and get out of there.

Move if you have to, and if possible.

Start attending the True Mass of all times, pray the rosary, put on your scapular, research, not necessarily from the internet but seek out older Catholic books with imprimatur but mainly pray and be willing to make the sacrifice. Now if God shows you the way but you say to Him, well I will just stay here and try to bring the NO back, its easier. Who knows then maybe you are no longer considered the innocent.

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I'm really beginning to see the wisdom of this. I always thought of Jesus's commands to not hide our light under a bushel basket or a bed, and of the missionaries, starting with St. Paul and the other Apostles, who journeyed to the far ends of the known world to spread the Word. Now I know why that job is properly for the clergy: If they arrived at a place without the True Mass they could say it themselves. As a laity, if we are in an area without the TLM, we must simply do without, putting our own souls in danger and rejecting God's most precious gifts.

I had priests on my mother's side of the family; now I wish I had followed in their footsteps. Unfortunately, I was raised post Vatican II when vocations bottomed out and Catholic families no longer dreamed of producing at least one religious.

Caminus · « **Reply #13 on:** October 13, 2010, 11:15:54 PM »

This OP corresponds to what my priest related about Bugnini, namely that he possessed a peculiar, unheard of authority with regard to the reform. Bishops and Cardinals acquiesced his commands as he held sway over the entire committee. Very strange indeed. Was it due to his Masonic affiliations? Blackmail? Did the Devil give him a certain power over other men? It's hard to say.