Author Topic: Ancestry has disproven the three races of Asia, Europe and Africa from Noah (Read 4986 times)

modofac · « **Reply #15 on:** September 17, 2014, 06:44:24 PM »

Ok, you've not gotten the point. That's OK. I don't expect you run into many contentious atheists anyway.

Jehanne · « **Reply #16 on:** September 17, 2014, 07:31:32 PM »

Quote from: modofac

Ok, you've not gotten the point. That's OK. I don't expect you run into many contentious atheists anyway.

I am a former atheist. Nothing to brag about, of course, but I held to "negative atheism" for nearly 10 years. I have read (and re-read) all of the major atheist writers of recent times -- Dennett, hαɾɾιs, Dawkins, and the late Hitchens. I was "a regular" at The Secular Web for many years and was also a member of American Atheists for many years. (They continue to send me their news letters.) Professor Jerry A. Coyne, an atheist and prominent biologist, claims that modern scientific evidence disproves the Creation story in Genesis:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115759/adam-eve-theologians-try-reconcile-science-and-fail

Just curious, what is your response to Professor Coyne's article?

modofac · « **Reply #17 on:** September 17, 2014, 08:14:42 PM »

It's un-respondable-to, because there is no answer for the Protestants he's addressing. A Catholic can answer that faith and reason can coexist in a finite way, but not infinitely. When faith and reason part ways, one must choose faith or reason. Pope Pius XII reminded us that, on this exact question, one must choose faith over reason.

To wit:

Science has proved quite forcefully that Adam and Eve, as described in scripture, are impossible.

God has commanded through the Church that I believe in Adam and Eve, substantially as described in scripture.

Ergo:

I believe in Adam and Eve substantially as described in scripture, without regard to reason.

tdrev123 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 18, 2014, 01:49:04 AM »

Quote from: modofac

It's un-respondable-to, because there is no answer for the Protestants he's addressing. A Catholic can answer that faith and reason can coexist in a finite way, but not infinitely. When faith and reason part ways, one must choose faith or reason. Pope Pius XII reminded us that, on this exact question, one must choose faith over reason.

To wit:

Science has proved quite forcefully that Adam and Eve, as described in scripture, are impossible.

God has commanded through the Church that I believe in Adam and Eve, substantially as described in scripture.

Ergo:

I believe in Adam and Eve substantially as described in scripture, without regard to reason.

Science hasn't proven that Adam And Eve are impossible...I have studied Both Creation Science and Evolution, I have taken college classes that centered around evolution and anthropology, and I don't have one doubt that the Genesis is Literal and Adam and Eve as described in scripture are accurate.
Why are you saying it is unreasonable to believe in A&E because of science? If you study creation science and you really meditate and think about creation, you will be able to rationally and spiritually believe in A&E.
I would suggest to read many articles on creation.com (a proddy website) which is very informative.

BTNYC · « **Reply #19 on:** September 18, 2014, 12:15:57 PM »

Quote from: modofac

It's un-respondable-to, because there is no answer for the Protestants he's addressing. A Catholic can answer that faith and reason can coexist in a finite way, but not infinitely. When faith and reason part ways, one must choose faith or reason. Pope Pius XII reminded us that, on this exact question, one must choose faith over reason.

To wit:

Science has proved quite forcefully that Adam and Eve, as described in scripture, are impossible.

God has commanded through the Church that I believe in Adam and Eve, substantially as described in scripture.

Ergo:

I believe in Adam and Eve substantially as described in scripture, without regard to reason.

"Science" (by which you mean merely the Natural Sciences) has "proved" no such thing.

The "either Faith or Reason" paradigm is a Modernist false dichotomy. Our Faith is in Christ as Logos, the very reason and rationality whence comes all of cration. It is precisely the kind of scientistic materialism of Modern "thought" that is opposed to Reason because it is opposed to Faith. For a Catholic it's "both and" not "either or" with respect to Faith and Reason.

http://files.audiosancto.org/20120826-Evolution-Continues-to-Devolve.mp3

BTNYC · « **Reply #20 on:** September 18, 2014, 12:44:22 PM »

http://www.romans10seventeen.org/audio-files/20050424-Evolution-a-False-Religious-World-View-Masqueraded-as-Science.mp3