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Offline Jehanne

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An open letter to Michael Voris.
« on: June 29, 2013, 07:02:50 AM »
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  • With respect to your recent video on Religious Liberty.

    It is one thing to believe in religious liberty; it is quite another to accept religious liberty, in the latter case as the prevailing norm in today's pagan culture.  True religious liberty only applies to non-Catholics, in that they alone have the right and duty to embrace that Truth which is revealed by the One and Triune God through His One and Only Son Jesus Christ.  Catholics, on the other hand, having embraced the Truth, even unconsciously in the waters of Baptism during their infancies, can and should be compelled to persist in that Truth, and for the salvation of their souls and others, be punished by the State (even with death, if necessary) if they fail to persevere in the One True Faith, which is also their right and duty.  Apostasy from the true religion is not a religious right; such only applies to false religions.

    P.S.  Catholics and Muslims do not worship the same God.


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    An open letter to Michael Voris.
    « Reply #1 on: June 29, 2013, 10:43:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jehanne
    With respect to your recent video on Religious Liberty.

    It is one thing to believe in religious liberty; it is quite another to accept religious liberty, in the latter case as the prevailing norm in today's pagan culture.  True religious liberty only applies to non-Catholics, in that they alone have the right and duty to embrace that Truth which is revealed by the One and Triune God through His One and Only Son Jesus Christ.  Catholics, on the other hand, having embraced the Truth, even unconsciously in the waters of Baptism during their infancies, can and should be compelled to persist in that Truth, and for the salvation of their souls and others, be punished by the State (even with death, if necessary) if they fail to persevere in the One True Faith, which is also their right and duty.  Apostasy from the true religion is not a religious right; such only applies to false religions.

    P.S.  Catholics and Muslims do not worship the same God.


    I'm confused by this post.  Are you suggesting that Michael Voris believes in Religious Liberty and arguing against him?  Because he doesn't.  Or are you saying that his understanding of Religious Liberty is inaccurate and that he should believe in True Religious Liberty as you lay it out?

    Also, regarding Catholics and Muslims worshipping the same God, he didn't answer the question because it was beside the point.  He knows that Muslims don't worship Our God.  He was pointing out that the question is a red herring and that by answering it, we allow our adversaries to derail the conversation and to take it off topic, thereby winning, because we would then be arguing about belief or disbelief in the same God, instead of the viability of a pantheistic society.

    To give an analogy.  Pro-aborts always want you to tell them when exactly life begins.  We say it begins at conception.  They say it can't be known.  They then go on to explain that since we get our belief from religion, and they themselves don't have a religion, that it is unfair and unlawful to subject them to our religious beliefs.  This argument is a red herring and should not be answered.  Instead of answering their question, I always say, "I have my beliefs and you have your's, but since we aren't talking about the morning after pill, but rather about abortion at around 8 weeks and above, your question is irrelevant to this particular argument.  If we were talking about the morning after pill, I'd engage you on this issue.  Since we aren't, I won't allow you to derail our discussion."

    That's the tactic Voris was using when he refused to answer the question about the muslim god and the Catholic God.


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    An open letter to Michael Voris.
    « Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 05:55:30 AM »
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  • Then Michael should clear about what he does profess:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Voris#.22Catholic_monarchy.22_comments

    Yes, a righteous, God-fearing Catholic monarch is the best way to run a country, but certainly not the only way.  In the end, Michael, like much of the post-conciliar Church, is trying to "have their religious-liberty cake and eat it, too!"  Let Michael make it clear that he rejects the Declaration of the Rights of Man (both the 1789 and 1793 versions) and that will settle the matter.