Author Topic: An Objection to Sedevacantism: Perpetual Successors to Peter (Read 16142 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2012, 12:16:19 PM »

If one assumes that the SV position is correct-no valid Pope since 1958, the thing that sticks out is this:

The longer this crisis goes on and the seat is vacant, one will be left to elect and, who is electable the longer this goes on?

What valid priests are left-do they elect out of their ranks, like electing a new abbot? who then could consecrate said man a Bishop?

How does the vetting go, to insure said man is sound and electable?

(and yes, have heard about the Angelica Pope to come, Sts. Peter and Paul flashing light,etc)

This is the boggle some of us have not in the SV opinion...

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2012, 12:17:33 PM »

"And whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven." Further the character and extent of the power thus bestowed are indicated. It is a power to "bind" and to "loose" — words which, as is shown below, denote the grant of legislative and judicial authority. And this power is granted in its fullest measure. Whatever Peter binds or looses on earth, his act will receive the Divine ratification. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm

Who would dare to say that, that V "2", the new Sacraments, the new mass and the new "code of canon law" have received the Divine ratification?

Belloc · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2012, 12:27:35 PM »

true, but if someone could, address some of my last posts comments and questions if at all possible with time/space permitting......

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #8 on:** August 10, 2012, 12:36:51 PM »

St. Clement
The first witness is St. Clement, a disciple of the Apostles, who, after Linus and Anacletus, succeeded St. Peter as the fourth in the list of popes. In his "Epistle to the Corinthians", written in 95 or 96, he bids them receive back the bishops whom a turbulent faction among them had expelled. "If any man", he says, "should be disobedient unto the words spoken by God through us, let them understand that they will entangle themselves in no slight transgression and danger" (Ep. 59). Moreover, he bids them "render obedience unto the things written by us through the Holy Spirit". The tone of authority which inspires the latter appears so clearly that Lightfoot did not hesitate to speak of it as "the first step towards papal domination" (Clement 1:70). Thus, at the very commencement of church history, before the last survivor of the Apostles had passed away, we find a Bishop of Rome, himself a disciple of St. Peter, intervening in the affairs of another Church and claiming to settle the matter by a decision spoken under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Such a fact admits of one explanation alone. It is that in the days when the Apostolic teaching was yet fresh in men's minds the universal Church recognized in the Bishop of Rome the office of supreme head.

Here we see, quite early, the necessity of submitting to the BISHOP of Rome.

If you truly believe the v2 leaders are Popes you have to submit to them.

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2012, 12:39:48 PM »

still, not getting to the heart of how to elect one and from where, if the seat is vacant 54 yrs and limited number of priests/bishops considered electable-and electors....

Not trying to be dense, nor :argue:, just trying to figure out options and plans.....

good Father's quote, BTW-thanks for that :cheers: