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Re: Amoris Laetitia
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2017, 12:21:37 AM »
He did hang out with publicans and sinners.

To help them see that they must repent of their sins and follow Him. You forgot that essential part.

Re: Amoris Laetitia
« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2017, 11:58:38 AM »
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Here is erstwhile cardinal Ratzinger proclaiming that Catholics involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ cannot receive Holy Communion because they're in a state of grave sin. How does that square with the novelty-doctrine of Amoris Laetitia?

From 
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com.au/
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Friday, October 27, 2017

Vatican Rejects Accreditation to Lebanese Diplomat --- Because of Lodge Membership

Masonic Grand Lodge of England (London), the Mother of All
Lodges, which celebrates its tricentennial this year

(Rome) The Vatican has refused accreditation to the Lebanese ambassador to the Holy See for his membership in a Masonic lodge.

"I am a Mason, but not active"

Consul General Ibrahim visiting an Armenian Hierarch in the United States


Johnny Ibrahim, who currently serves as the Lebanese Consul General in Los Angeles, has been appointed Ambassador for the Holy See by his country's government. As the Vaticanist Franca Giansoldati reported yesterday, the reason his nomination was rejected by the Holy See attributed to his Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

Johnny Ibrahim is said to be associated with the Masonic Grand Orient of France. He himself confirmed his lodge members, but assures us that he is not active. This is similar to how Austrian President Alexander Van der Bellen explained himself last year. In three television debates, the two candidates of the Federal presidential ballot met each other. Each time his opponent confronted him with his lodge membership. Van der Bellen denied it twice, the third time he admitted it by saying that he had been active "only" for a few years, then ten years passively, and finally lapsed.

The Grand Orient of France is one of the world's largest Masonic organizations. The refusal of accreditation for Ibrahim equals a renewed condemnation of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

1717 - 2017: 300 years of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
The lodges are celebrating their 300th anniversary this year. In 1717, the first Grand Lodge was built in London. A short time later, the Church pronounced the first condemnation because the worldview of the lodges was incompatible with Christianity. In recent decades, attempts have been made several times, especially in German-speaking countries, to lift the sentence. When the new Codex Iuris Canonici (CIC) was published in1983 and no explicit mention of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ was found in it, the matter was considered finished, the promoters of the Catholic-Mason reconciliation jubilated. Then came a damper.

Cardinal Biffi's warning - Cardinal Ratzinger's clarification
Cardinal Giacomo Biffi, who co-authored the CIC, is said to have rushed to Pope John Paul II to voice his concern that some Church leaders see a "rapprochement" with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. He is said to have told the pope:

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"If Your Holiness cancels the canonical ban on Masonry, the next conclave will look like a Lodge."
Whether it actually happened that way can not be proven. The fact is that the then prefect of the Faith, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, made it clear in the same year that in relation to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ there is no change in the ecclesiastical position. Due to the change of canon law, a Catholic, anyone initiated in the lodge, no longer automatically incurs excommunication. Instead, the CIC Canon 1374 demands that a "just punishment" be imposed upon the declaration of a lodge membership.

However, Cardinal Ratzinger made it clear that Catholics who belong to a Lodge are still not admitted to the sacraments, not because they are excommunicated, but because they are in a state of grave sin.

The Lebanese government will have to nominate another diplomat for ambassador to the Holy See. Lebanon is the country with the largest proportion of Christians in the Middle East.

Text: Giuseppe Nardi 
Image: Wikicommons / Westernprelacy (Screenshot)
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
AMDG

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So, here is erstwhile cardinal Ratzinger proclaiming that Catholics involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ cannot receive Holy Communion because they're in a state of grave sin.


Re: Amoris Laetitia
« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2017, 12:31:29 AM »
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Here is erstwhile cardinal Ratzinger proclaiming that Catholics involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ cannot receive Holy Communion because they're in a state of grave sin. How does that square with the novelty-doctrine of Amoris Laetitia?

From
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com.au/
.
Friday, October 27, 2017

Vatican Rejects Accreditation to Lebanese Diplomat --- Because of Lodge Membership

Masonic Grand Lodge of England (London), the Mother of All
Lodges, which celebrates its tricentennial this year

(Rome) The Vatican has refused accreditation to the Lebanese ambassador to the Holy See for his membership in a Masonic lodge.

"I am a Mason, but not active"

Consul General Ibrahim visiting an Armenian Hierarch in the United States


Johnny Ibrahim, who currently serves as the Lebanese Consul General in Los Angeles, has been appointed Ambassador for the Holy See by his country's government. As the Vaticanist Franca Giansoldati reported yesterday, the reason his nomination was rejected by the Holy See attributed to his Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

Johnny Ibrahim is said to be associated with the Masonic Grand Orient of France. He himself confirmed his lodge members, but assures us that he is not active. This is similar to how Austrian President Alexander Van der Bellen explained himself last year. In three television debates, the two candidates of the Federal presidential ballot met each other. Each time his opponent confronted him with his lodge membership. Van der Bellen denied it twice, the third time he admitted it by saying that he had been active "only" for a few years, then ten years passively, and finally lapsed.

The Grand Orient of France is one of the world's largest Masonic organizations. The refusal of accreditation for Ibrahim equals a renewed condemnation of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

1717 - 2017: 300 years of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
The lodges are celebrating their 300th anniversary this year. In 1717, the first Grand Lodge was built in London. A short time later, the Church pronounced the first condemnation because the worldview of the lodges was incompatible with Christianity. In recent decades, attempts have been made several times, especially in German-speaking countries, to lift the sentence. When the new Codex Iuris Canonici (CIC) was published in1983 and no explicit mention of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ was found in it, the matter was considered finished, the promoters of the Catholic-Mason reconciliation jubilated. Then came a damper.

Cardinal Biffi's warning - Cardinal Ratzinger's clarification
Cardinal Giacomo Biffi, who co-authored the CIC, is said to have rushed to Pope John Paul II to voice his concern that some Church leaders see a "rapprochement" with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. He is said to have told the pope:
Whether it actually happened that way can not be proven. The fact is that the then prefect of the Faith, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, made it clear in the same year that in relation to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ there is no change in the ecclesiastical position. Due to the change of canon law, a Catholic, anyone initiated in the lodge, no longer automatically incurs excommunication. Instead, the CIC Canon 1374 demands that a "just punishment" be imposed upon the declaration of a lodge membership.

However, Cardinal Ratzinger made it clear that Catholics who belong to a Lodge are still not admitted to the sacraments, not because they are excommunicated, but because they are in a state of grave sin.

The Lebanese government will have to nominate another diplomat for ambassador to the Holy See. Lebanon is the country with the largest proportion of Christians in the Middle East.

Text: Giuseppe Nardi
Image: Wikicommons / Westernprelacy (Screenshot)
Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
AMDG

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So, here is erstwhile cardinal Ratzinger proclaiming that Catholics involved in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ cannot receive Holy Communion because they're in a state of grave sin.
Maybe it is as Bishop Martinez says, that Amoris Laetitiae doesn't give carte blanche for people in sin to receive Holy Communion.

Re: Amoris Laetitia
« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2017, 01:32:40 AM »
“Do not yield to the temptation to give a 'pastoral pseudo-solution without truth', so that the faithful may feel understood. Nor should you give a kind of 'poor, rigorous, and merciless recipe', as though though the faithful were only a number and not a dear son of God whom, as ministers of grace, we must help by demonstrating the way to eternal Beatitude,” he exhorted them.
“Let us announce God's Message of Love … with sincere fidelity to Revelation and the words of Jesus Christ. What we are asked to do is be faithful to the ministry which God, through the Church, has entrusted to us,” he stated.


https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentine-pastoral-letter-accompaniment-in-marriage-must-be-faithful-28749

Re: Amoris Laetitia
« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2018, 02:06:49 AM »
Three Kazakhstani bishops signed a statement on Sunday confirming that it is not licit to admit to sacramental communion Catholics who are divorced and illictly remarried, if they are not living according to the long-standing teachings of the Church.
The statement was released in response to norms issued by several groups of bishops since the promulgation of Amoris laetitia.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/kazakh-bishops-affirm-indissolubility-of-marriage-and-its-implications-64517