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Re: Amoris Laetitia
« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2017, 01:58:16 PM »
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    In the event that some readers of this thread 
    might like to have a sample of the thinking (or is it non-thinking?)
    of this particular prince of the Church named Marengo,
    perhaps the following would fulfill that desire.
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    The polemical game - the pill yes - the pill no, 
    like today's - Communion to the divorced yes - Communion to the divorced no -
    is only an appearance of discomfort and strain much more decisive in the fabric of ecclesial life. [?]
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    Every time the Christian community falls into error and proposes models of life derived from too abstract 
    and artificially constructed theological ideals, 
    it conceives its pastoral action as the schematic application of a doctrinal paradigm.
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    [If that paragraph makes no sense the first time, read it again, and it will probably still make no sense!!]
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    A certain way of defending and acknowledging the teaching of Paul VI was probably one of the factors for which
    we have presented a too abstract theological ideal on marriage, almost artificially constructed,
    far from the concrete situation and the effective possibilities of families as they really are.
    This excessive idealization, above all when we have reawakened trust in grace, 
    has not made marriage more attractive and desirable, but quite the opposite.

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    If you're having trouble connecting the dots in this screed, perhaps it would help you to understand what is being attempted
    by way of these words, if you recall that a certain condemned Modernist named Pierre Teilhard de Chardin made a name for 
    himself by re-defining words or shall we say, by taking standard Catholic terminology and using the words in an entirely 
    new context or application in such way that the whole of his writings would not make sense to a reader unless the 
    reader would dare to presume that these erstwhile standard Catholic terms would no longer carry the same meaning 
    they had previously, but instead take on, perhaps by a kind of osmosis or mysterious operation, a new meaning quite 
    different from the old one, even perhaps approaching a meaning entirely OPPOSITE to what they had meant before.
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #46 on: October 28, 2017, 02:26:22 AM »
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  • Among Argentine bishops, Bishop Martinez is joined by one of his predecessors in the see of San Luis, Bishop Juan Rodolfo Laise, O.F.M. Cap. Bishop Laise was among the first signatories of a Declaration of Fidelity to the Church's Unchangeable Teaching on Marriage and to Her Uninterrupted Discipline, which was publicized Aug. 29, 2016.
    Bishop Laise, who led the San Luis diocese from 1971 to 2001, signed the declaration, which reaffirms the Church's teachings on marriage and morality. More than 879,000 persons have signed the document, among whom are eight cardinals.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #47 on: October 28, 2017, 01:18:17 PM »
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    The Antichrist won't need a teleprompter.  (That's how we know Obama wasn't the Antichrist!)
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    But catholicnewsagency.com will no doubt be quite useful.
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #48 on: November 01, 2017, 02:08:34 AM »
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  • In his pastoral letter, Bishop Martinez also reflected on the possible causes of the exhortation's “distinct interpretations.” He suggested the theological reasons for an inadequate evaluation of the ordinary Magisterium; an erroneous understanding of divine, public Revelation which sees it as a continual unfolding in history, in which the bishops can 'constitute' the deposit of faith, and not merely transmit, conserve, and defend it faithfully; and a dualistic conception of the Church, mistakenly perceiving a separation between dogma and morality, or between a visible institution and a “charismatic call.”
    Martens commented to CNA that understanding the nature of Amoris laetitia’s teaching authority and intended purpose is critical to its interpretation.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #49 on: November 14, 2017, 12:11:44 PM »
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  • In his pastoral letter, Bishop Martinez also reflected on the possible causes of the exhortation's “distinct interpretations.” He suggested the theological reasons for an inadequate evaluation of the ordinary Magisterium; an erroneous understanding of divine, public Revelation which sees it as a continual unfolding in history, in which the bishops can 'constitute' the deposit of faith, and not merely transmit, conserve, and defend it faithfully; and a dualistic conception of the Church, mistakenly perceiving a separation between dogma and morality, or between a visible institution and a “charismatic call.”
    Martens commented to CNA that understanding the nature of Amoris laetitia’s teaching authority and intended purpose is critical to its interpretation.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentine-pastoral-letter-accompaniment-in-marriage-must-be-faithful-28749
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    The useful idiot who keeps quoting the Communist catholicnewsagency strikes again............and again............and again...........
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #50 on: November 15, 2017, 12:23:21 AM »
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    The useful idiot who keeps quoting the Communist catholicnewsagency strikes again............and again............and again...........
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    He is using Amoris Laetitia in order to explain Catholic Truth.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #51 on: November 15, 2017, 12:35:37 AM »
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  • He is using Amoris Laetitia in order to explain Catholic Truth.
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    He ought to use something else. So should you. 
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #52 on: November 15, 2017, 01:05:40 AM »
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  • .
    Perhaps you should read this post again.

    Or, did you fail to read it the first time?



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    A iti teal siro malan ach triba nalpa nama.*

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    The admission of public adulterers in so-called second marriages to Holy Communion 
    is intrinsically impossible.
    It always has been and it always will be.
    But that doesn't mean that in some places de facto heretics won't attempt to do it anyway.
    Marriage is indissoluble and adultery is intrinsically immoral.
    But Amoris Laetitia (AL) would have abstract ideas (divine precepts) 
    subverted by pastoral action in the "face of reality."
    In this way a new "secret commission" tasked by Pope Bergoglio 
    seeks to reinterpret the constant teaching of the Church.
    Effectively, a public adulterer would then be allowed 
    to continue his adultery while receiving Holy Communion.
    Why? Well, ceasing his adultery is "more than he can give." That's why!
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    Now what we have is a first fallout of the objectively disordered Amoris Laetitia (AL).
    It comes in the form of a reinterpretation of Humanae Vitae based on AL.
    Pope Paul VI, liberal though he was, managed to do one thing right.
    But one thing is one thing too much for the current "bishop of Rome."
    Unable to overturn Humanae Vitae directly by frontal assault, 
    he has chosen to take a different path.
    The catastrophic introduction of situation ethics into the life of the Church via AL 
    is now being extended.
    It's now being extended to accommodate the intrinsic evil of contraception.
    The intrinsic evil of contraception was affirmed by Pope Paul VI, 
    but today, that is not to be allowed to stand.
    It must be torn down, and Pope Bergoglio has a plan:


    A iti teal siro malan ach triba nalpa nama.* 

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    Monsignor Gilfredo Marengo is the "coordinator" of the commission 
    nominated by Francis to "re-interpret" Humanae Vitae in the light of AL.
    This, on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of HV's promulgation 
    which falls next year ( 2018 ).
    This commission has been given the ominous task 
    of procuring some things from the Vatican archives.
    Namely documentation on the preparatory work for HV which took place over 3 years.
    Make that 3 years "during and after Vat.II."
    "What did that preparatory work achieve?" one might ask (please ask now).
    It resulted in the recommendation that the Church relax her teaching to permit contraception.
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    Say what?
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    That's correct (sic = as it appears)
    Said preparatory work for HV recommended to Pope Paul VI 
    that the Church throw in the towel on her teaching.
    However, Pope Paul VI, while otherwise quite a liberal, 
    set aside his liberal inclinations, some say miraculously.
    He thusly acted perhaps under the influence of the Holy Ghost. 
    (Do you have a more plausible suggestion?)
    He set aside his hankering for novelty just long enough 
    to protect the Church's infallible universal ordinary Magisterium.
    That means what the Church has constantly taught 
    even without a formal, infallible dogmatic definition.
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    The unannounced plan is now to overthrow HV 
    by subterfuge since it was unassailable by frontal attack.

    The planned mudus operandi of the pastoral abandonment 
    of the Church's infallible teaching
    on the intrinsic evil of contraception would appear 
    to be the same as that which AL proposes
    for the pastoral abandonment of the Church's teaching 
    on the intrinsic immorality of adultery
    and thus the "intrinsically impossible" admission of public adulterers 
    in so-called second marriages to Holy Communion.

    IOW what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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    Leaving little doubt of the matter, Msgr. Marengo, 
    the very coordinator of the not-so-secret commission,
    has already told Vatican Insider that
    it's time to consider "abandoning a conception 
    of the doctrinal patrimony of the Church as a closed system,
    impermeable to questions and provocations 
    of the here and now, in which the Christian community is 
    called to justify its faith through its proclamation and testimony."
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    In order to drive this point home, Marengo proposes 
    the classic Modernist opposition between 
    Catholic teaching and "the here and now,"
    as if the mere passage of time could alter 
    immutable doctrines and dogmas rooted in divine revelation.
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    * Don't get it? (Read it backwards: A man, a plan, a birth canal, Amoris Laetitia.) The same difficulty you had with this simple puzzle is nothing compared to the conundrum of AL and its implications.
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #53 on: Today at 01:26:46 AM »
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  • “You can have infallible teaching proclaimed in a less solemn document,” Martens explained, “and in solemn documents you can have teaching of several levels. An example of this is Evangelium vitae, the encyclical of John Paul II: some of the teaching in there is put at a higher level, and it's clear from the wording of the text.”
    He noted that in Amoris laetitia's third paragraph, Pope Francis “says he doesn't intend to exercise his authentic Magisterium.”

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #54 on: Today at 09:37:11 AM »
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  • “You can have infallible teaching proclaimed in a less solemn document,” Martens explained, “and in solemn documents you can have teaching of several levels. An example of this is Evangelium vitae, the encyclical of John Paul II: some of the teaching in there is put at a higher level, and it's clear from the wording of the text.”
    He noted that in Amoris laetitia's third paragraph, Pope Francis “says he doesn't intend to exercise his authentic Magisterium.”

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    Of course he doesn't, he is a modernist. they do not care about claiming authority for their false teaching, they only want to teach it. The weakmindedness of men and their passions do the rest.

    The document is heretical and denies both Traditional Catholicl teaching and Sacred Scripture, that is all that matters.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
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    He noted that in Amoris laetitia's third paragraph, Pope Francis “says he doesn't intend to exercise his authentic Magisterium.”
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    Of course he doesn't [intend to exercise his authentic Magisterium], he is a modernist. they do not care about claiming authority for their false teaching, they only want to teach it. The weakmindedness of men and their passions do the rest.

    The document is heretical and denies both Traditional Catholic teaching and Sacred Scripture; that is all that matters.
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    These Modernist miscreants tried to pull this same nonsense 20 years ago!
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    JPII had been consistently preaching that women cannot be ordained priests, and some outspoken conservatives attempted to say that this was a dogmatic definition and therefore infallible, which they set alongside the 1950 definition of Our Lady's Assumption, saying that therefore there have been TWO dogmatic definitions in the 20th century. 
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    JPII never made any direct response to this growing rumor (that's all it was), but eventually Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger made one offhand comment one day that surprisingly squelched the whole topic. He said the reason JPII had not exercised his authentic Magisterium in this case was that when he had said that women cannot become priests he did not intend to invoke infallibility.
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    Francis, a Modernist, is not about invoking infallibility. He is not about exercising his authentic Magisterium. 
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    Francis, a Modernist, is rather all about making the papacy into a mockery of the Catholic faith. 
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    Francis has never met a doctrine he can't trash and an institution he can't rip to pieces.
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    Amoris Laetitia proposes
    the pastoral abandonment of the Church's teaching 
    on the intrinsic immorality of adultery
    by making the "intrinsically impossible" possible:
    by the admission to Holy Communion of public adulterers 
    who are in so-called second marriages.

    In order to achieve this seemingly impossible feat,
    they will first assault contraception, whose time has come.

    The planned mudus operandi is first,
    the pastoral abandonment 
    of the Church's infallible teaching
    on the intrinsic evil of contraception.

    Second is to use the success of this attack
    on the longstanding and infallible Church teaching
    on the intrinsic evil of contraception
    as a springboard
    for the same assault on the intrinsic immorality of adultery
    so as to make it no longer an impediment
    for public adulterers in so-called second marriages
    to receive Holy Communion.
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    Francis ought to hire the magician, Dynamo
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #56 on: Today at 02:37:34 PM »
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  • Neil Obstat,
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    Francis, a Modernist, is not about invoking infallibility. He is not about exercising his authentic Magisterium. 
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    Francis, a Modernist, is rather all about making the papacy into a mockery of the Catholic faith. 
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    Francis has never met a doctrine he can't trash and an institution he can't rip to pieces.
    I would agree, 

    He is a modernist and therefore a heretic, and therefore...................

    He is part of the NWO and as such, part of anti-Christ...........

    He seeks with his brothers, to overturn the Divine Order and remake the world in man's image....(Tikun Olam)

    He has become the son of another Father...........

    He is the Vicar of Christ......................?


     

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