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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: Amoris Laetitia
« Reply #60 on: November 26, 2017, 07:43:18 AM »
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  • Poche, why promote this?  What about Dubia and Cardinal Burke?   

    Catholics would benefit from Baltimore Catechism and Father lavasik's books. 

    Most Catholics today don't even know the 10 Commandments and basic Catholic teaching.  

    Did u go see Pope Francis when he came to USA?

    Actions speak louder than words. 




    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #61 on: November 26, 2017, 07:45:30 AM »
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  • Jesus said " Go and sin no more".   Jesus did not hang out with unrepenting abortion activists or sodomists.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #63 on: November 27, 2017, 11:24:25 AM »
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  • Jesus said, "Go and sin no more".   Jesus did not hang out with unrepenting abortion activists or sodomists.  
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    Our Lord Jesus did not make use of profane language in his speech like Francis does.
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    Nor did He publicly persecute defenders of the Faith like Francis does.
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    Jesus was not more concerned with opinion polls instead of defending dogma like Francis is.
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    Jesus did not criticize large families by accusing them of "multiplying like rabbits" like Francis has.
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    Jesus did not endeavor to destroy the Una Sancta Catholica Ecclesia like Francis does.
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    This is not an image of Jesus riding a wrecking ball:
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #64 on: November 30, 2017, 12:18:31 AM »
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  • Jesus said " Go and sin no more".   Jesus did not hang out with unrepenting abortion activists or sodomists.  
    He did hang out with publicans and sinners. 


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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #65 on: November 30, 2017, 12:21:37 AM »
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  • He did hang out with publicans and sinners.

    To help them see that they must repent of their sins and follow Him. You forgot that essential part.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #66 on: November 30, 2017, 11:58:38 AM »
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    Here is erstwhile cardinal Ratzinger proclaiming that Catholics involved in Freemasonry cannot receive Holy Communion because they're in a state of grave sin. How does that square with the novelty-doctrine of Amoris Laetitia?

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    Friday, October 27, 2017

    Vatican Rejects Accreditation to Lebanese Diplomat --- Because of Lodge Membership

    Masonic Grand Lodge of England (London), the Mother of All
    Lodges, which celebrates its tricentennial this year

    (Rome) The Vatican has refused accreditation to the Lebanese ambassador to the Holy See for his membership in a Masonic lodge.

    "I am a Mason, but not active"

    Consul General Ibrahim visiting an Armenian Hierarch in the United States


    Johnny Ibrahim, who currently serves as the Lebanese Consul General in Los Angeles, has been appointed Ambassador for the Holy See by his country's government. As the Vaticanist Franca Giansoldati reported yesterday, the reason his nomination was rejected by the Holy See attributed to his Freemasonry.

    Johnny Ibrahim is said to be associated with the Masonic Grand Orient of France. He himself confirmed his lodge members, but assures us that he is not active. This is similar to how Austrian President Alexander Van der Bellen explained himself last year. In three television debates, the two candidates of the Federal presidential ballot met each other. Each time his opponent confronted him with his lodge membership. Van der Bellen denied it twice, the third time he admitted it by saying that he had been active "only" for a few years, then ten years passively, and finally lapsed.

    The Grand Orient of France is one of the world's largest Masonic organizations. The refusal of accreditation for Ibrahim equals a renewed condemnation of Freemasonry.

    1717 - 2017: 300 years of Freemasonry
    The lodges are celebrating their 300th anniversary this year. In 1717, the first Grand Lodge was built in London. A short time later, the Church pronounced the first condemnation because the worldview of the lodges was incompatible with Christianity. In recent decades, attempts have been made several times, especially in German-speaking countries, to lift the sentence. When the new Codex Iuris Canonici (CIC) was published in1983 and no explicit mention of Freemasonry was found in it, the matter was considered finished, the promoters of the Catholic-Mason reconciliation jubilated. Then came a damper.

    Cardinal Biffi's warning - Cardinal Ratzinger's clarification
    Cardinal Giacomo Biffi, who co-authored the CIC, is said to have rushed to Pope John Paul II to voice his concern that some Church leaders see a "rapprochement" with Freemasonry. He is said to have told the pope:

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    "If Your Holiness cancels the canonical ban on Masonry, the next conclave will look like a Lodge."
    Whether it actually happened that way can not be proven. The fact is that the then prefect of the Faith, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, made it clear in the same year that in relation to Freemasonry there is no change in the ecclesiastical position. Due to the change of canon law, a Catholic, anyone initiated in the lodge, no longer automatically incurs excommunication. Instead, the CIC Canon 1374 demands that a "just punishment" be imposed upon the declaration of a lodge membership.

    However, Cardinal Ratzinger made it clear that Catholics who belong to a Lodge are still not admitted to the sacraments, not because they are excommunicated, but because they are in a state of grave sin.

    The Lebanese government will have to nominate another diplomat for ambassador to the Holy See. Lebanon is the country with the largest proportion of Christians in the Middle East.

    Text: Giuseppe Nardi 
    Image: Wikicommons / Westernprelacy (Screenshot)
    Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
    AMDG

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    So, here is erstwhile cardinal Ratzinger proclaiming that Catholics involved in Freemasonry cannot receive Holy Communion because they're in a state of grave sin.
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #67 on: December 01, 2017, 12:31:29 AM »
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    Here is erstwhile cardinal Ratzinger proclaiming that Catholics involved in Freemasonry cannot receive Holy Communion because they're in a state of grave sin. How does that square with the novelty-doctrine of Amoris Laetitia?

    From
    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com.au/
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    Friday, October 27, 2017

    Vatican Rejects Accreditation to Lebanese Diplomat --- Because of Lodge Membership

    Masonic Grand Lodge of England (London), the Mother of All
    Lodges, which celebrates its tricentennial this year

    (Rome) The Vatican has refused accreditation to the Lebanese ambassador to the Holy See for his membership in a Masonic lodge.

    "I am a Mason, but not active"

    Consul General Ibrahim visiting an Armenian Hierarch in the United States


    Johnny Ibrahim, who currently serves as the Lebanese Consul General in Los Angeles, has been appointed Ambassador for the Holy See by his country's government. As the Vaticanist Franca Giansoldati reported yesterday, the reason his nomination was rejected by the Holy See attributed to his Freemasonry.

    Johnny Ibrahim is said to be associated with the Masonic Grand Orient of France. He himself confirmed his lodge members, but assures us that he is not active. This is similar to how Austrian President Alexander Van der Bellen explained himself last year. In three television debates, the two candidates of the Federal presidential ballot met each other. Each time his opponent confronted him with his lodge membership. Van der Bellen denied it twice, the third time he admitted it by saying that he had been active "only" for a few years, then ten years passively, and finally lapsed.

    The Grand Orient of France is one of the world's largest Masonic organizations. The refusal of accreditation for Ibrahim equals a renewed condemnation of Freemasonry.

    1717 - 2017: 300 years of Freemasonry
    The lodges are celebrating their 300th anniversary this year. In 1717, the first Grand Lodge was built in London. A short time later, the Church pronounced the first condemnation because the worldview of the lodges was incompatible with Christianity. In recent decades, attempts have been made several times, especially in German-speaking countries, to lift the sentence. When the new Codex Iuris Canonici (CIC) was published in1983 and no explicit mention of Freemasonry was found in it, the matter was considered finished, the promoters of the Catholic-Mason reconciliation jubilated. Then came a damper.

    Cardinal Biffi's warning - Cardinal Ratzinger's clarification
    Cardinal Giacomo Biffi, who co-authored the CIC, is said to have rushed to Pope John Paul II to voice his concern that some Church leaders see a "rapprochement" with Freemasonry. He is said to have told the pope:
    Whether it actually happened that way can not be proven. The fact is that the then prefect of the Faith, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, made it clear in the same year that in relation to Freemasonry there is no change in the ecclesiastical position. Due to the change of canon law, a Catholic, anyone initiated in the lodge, no longer automatically incurs excommunication. Instead, the CIC Canon 1374 demands that a "just punishment" be imposed upon the declaration of a lodge membership.

    However, Cardinal Ratzinger made it clear that Catholics who belong to a Lodge are still not admitted to the sacraments, not because they are excommunicated, but because they are in a state of grave sin.

    The Lebanese government will have to nominate another diplomat for ambassador to the Holy See. Lebanon is the country with the largest proportion of Christians in the Middle East.

    Text: Giuseppe Nardi
    Image: Wikicommons / Westernprelacy (Screenshot)
    Trans: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.com
    AMDG

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    So, here is erstwhile cardinal Ratzinger proclaiming that Catholics involved in Freemasonry cannot receive Holy Communion because they're in a state of grave sin.
    Maybe it is as Bishop Martinez says, that Amoris Laetitiae doesn't give carte blanche for people in sin to receive Holy Communion.


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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #68 on: December 17, 2017, 01:32:40 AM »
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  • “Do not yield to the temptation to give a 'pastoral pseudo-solution without truth', so that the faithful may feel understood. Nor should you give a kind of 'poor, rigorous, and merciless recipe', as though though the faithful were only a number and not a dear son of God whom, as ministers of grace, we must help by demonstrating the way to eternal Beatitude,” he exhorted them.
    “Let us announce God's Message of Love … with sincere fidelity to Revelation and the words of Jesus Christ. What we are asked to do is be faithful to the ministry which God, through the Church, has entrusted to us,” he stated.


    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentine-pastoral-letter-accompaniment-in-marriage-must-be-faithful-28749

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #69 on: January 03, 2018, 02:06:49 AM »
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  • Three Kazakhstani bishops signed a statement on Sunday confirming that it is not licit to admit to sacramental communion Catholics who are divorced and illictly remarried, if they are not living according to the long-standing teachings of the Church.
    The statement was released in response to norms issued by several groups of bishops since the promulgation of Amoris laetitia.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/kazakh-bishops-affirm-indissolubility-of-marriage-and-its-implications-64517

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #70 on: January 11, 2018, 04:56:07 AM »
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  •  In a speech to diplomats on Monday, Pope Francis said that the stability of the family is integral for the future, and that such stability is created when founded upon the faithful and lasting relationship of a man and woman.
    “Today fleeting relationships are preferred to the stability of a definitive life project. But a house built on the sand of frail and fickle relationships cannot stand,” the Pope said Jan. 8.
    “What is needed instead is a rock on which to build solid foundations. And this rock is precisely that faithful and indissoluble communion of love that joins man and woman, a communion that has an austere and simple beauty, a sacred and inviolable character and a natural role in the social order.”


    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-the-world-needs-stable-families-12849


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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #71 on: January 11, 2018, 05:41:03 AM »
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  • In a speech to diplomats on Monday, Pope Francis said that the stability of the family is integral for the future, and that such stability is created when founded upon the faithful and lasting relationship of a man and woman.
    “Today fleeting relationships are preferred to the stability of a definitive life project. But a house built on the sand of frail and fickle relationships cannot stand,” the Pope said Jan. 8.
    “What is needed instead is a rock on which to build solid foundations. And this rock is precisely that faithful and indissoluble communion of love that joins man and woman, a communion that has an austere and simple beauty, a sacred and inviolable character and a natural role in the social order.”


    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-the-world-needs-stable-families-12849
    Poche,
    Why don't you start a new thread calling it AD NAUSEAM ?
    You're mixing vegetables with ****
    And your latest post goes to show how inconsistent and a flake Francis is. That guy issued A.L. which is a hell of a document that destabilises families and is anti-Catholic.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #72 on: January 12, 2018, 02:25:36 AM »
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  • Jesus said " Go and sin no more".   Jesus did not hang out with unrepenting abortion activists or sodomists.  
    Jesus hung out with publicans and prostitutes.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #73 on: January 25, 2018, 02:18:06 AM »
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  • Pope Francis’ words were addressed to ambassadors and other members of the Diplomatic Corp in a message for the start of the new year.
    Currently, the Holy See has diplomatic relations with 183 states, as well as the European Union and the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, after having established diplomatic ties with Burma – also known as the Republic of the Union of Myanmar – in May 2017.
    Of these, 89 states maintain embassies to the Holy See in Rome, including the Embassy of South Africa, which was established last year.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-the-world-needs-stable-families-12849

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #74 on: March 26, 2018, 09:44:16 PM »
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  • Jesus hung out with publicans and prostitutes.
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    Maybe Jesus really missed out by not sitting in the pigsty with the prodigal son, or maybe by not hanging out in pubs with drunks.
    But according to poche, Our Lord frequented brothels where he "hung out with prostitutes."
    Is that something you read in the Bible, or did you learn it at your local Lodge meeting run by Jews?
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