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Amoris Laetitia
« on: August 31, 2017, 12:58:53 AM »
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  • pastoral letter on Pope Francis' apostolic exhortation Amoris laetitia by Bishop Pedro Daniel Martinez Perea of San Luis, Argentina is being welcomed as “great news” for its clarity and directness.
    Bishop Martinez's letter, issued on June 29 and sent to the priests of his diocese, is titled “Marriage, new unions, and the Eucharist in chapter 8 of Amoris laetitia.” It addressed confusion generated by some readings of the document and emphasized the importance of “helping married couples to follow God's plans in their lives.”
    “The text is very straightforward,” reflected Dr. Kurt Martens, a professor of canon law at The Catholic University of America. “It's a very well done pastoral letter with a lot of teaching opportunity; he does use Pope Francis to emphasize the teaching of the Church. I think it's great news.”
    In his pastoral letter, Bishop Martinez called Amoris laetitia “a great catechesis on love in the family, which is the cell of society” and said it is “a great message of hope during our sojourn in this secularized and earthly world.”
    He added that marriage has a divinely ordered nature and purpose, and that sacramental marriage is “a public good in the Church, a common good.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentine-pastoral-letter-accompaniment-in-marriage-must-be-faithful-28749/

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #1 on: August 31, 2017, 01:10:49 AM »
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  • It could be such as to make "Dominici Paschendi Gregis" read like a warm flat beer tastes, and it wouldn't change a thing.

    BY non-Catholics. FOR non-Catholics

    As is, even this CNA blurb is just more "blah blah"

    Rome has lost, and has yet to rediscover, the faith.

    Sede vacante
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #2 on: August 31, 2017, 01:53:09 AM »
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  • A pastoral letter on Pope Francis' apostolic exhortation Amoris laetitia by Bishop Pedro Daniel Martinez Perea of San Luis, Argentina is being welcomed as “great news” for its clarity and directness.
    Bishop Martinez's letter, issued on June 29 and sent to the priests of his diocese, is titled “Marriage, new unions, and the Eucharist in chapter 8 of Amoris laetitia.” It addressed confusion generated by some readings of the document and emphasized the importance of “helping married couples to follow God's plans in their lives.”
    “The text is very straightforward,” reflected Dr. Kurt Martens, a professor of canon law at The Catholic University of America. “It's a very well done pastoral letter with a lot of teaching opportunity; he does use Pope Francis to emphasize the teaching of the Church. I think it's great news.”
    In his pastoral letter, Bishop Martinez called Amoris laetitia “a great catechesis on love in the family, which is the cell of society” and said it is “a great message of hope during our sojourn in this secularized and earthly world.”
    He added that marriage has a divinely ordered nature and purpose, and that sacramental marriage is “a public good in the Church, a common good.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentine-pastoral-letter-accompaniment-in-marriage-must-be-faithful-28749/
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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2017, 04:44:46 AM »
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  • While calling Amoris laetitia “a profound catechesis,” Bishop Martinez noted that “some readings of the exhortation have aroused disquiet, perplexity, and even confusion among the faithful, especially with regard to the possibility of persons united by a previous, valid, sacramental bond and who are currently living, more uxorio, with another person in a new non-sacramental union, accessing the sacraments, in particular Holy Communion.”
    To address confusion, the bishop referred to revelation and the Magisterium as “irreplaceable foundations for theological reflection in the Catholic Church,” and the essential context for understanding Amoris laetitia. To explain the exhortation, he referred to both the recent Magisterium and to the writings of St. Vincent of Lerins, St. Thomas Aquinas, the First Vatican Council, the Roman Curia of the early 20th century, and popes from Leo XIII to St. John XXIII.
    Bishop Martinez gave criteria for a theological and ecclesial reading of the argument given in his letter, referring extensively to the text of Amoris laetitia. He wrote that “the Holy Father does not intend to manifest a new moral doctrine on Christian marriage.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentine-pastoral-letter-accompaniment-in-marriage-must-be-faithful-28749/

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2017, 11:22:47 PM »
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  • The bishop recalled that the bond of a ratified and consummated sacramental marriage “cannot be dissolved by any human power, neither civil nor ecclesiastical, neither by the passage of time after separation (culpable or not; brief or elongated), nor because love no longer exists between the spouses, nor by a personal conviction in conscience, even in good faith. Certainty of personal opinion regarding the invalidity of marriage is not a cause of nullity.”
    He explained that the indissolubility of marriage is based the nature of “the union made by God in the spouses...In this is clearly manifested the priority of the existence of the Christian marriage over moral acts and their consequences.”
    Bishop Martinez also wrote on the “mysterious grandeur of Christian marriage” and to encourage spouses to be faithful to their vocation in the face of difficulties. He then explained the conditions for receiving Holy Communion, and the Magisterium of Amoris laetitia on the Eucharist, new unions, and pastoral conversion.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentine-pastoral-letter-accompaniment-in-marriage-must-be-faithful-28749/


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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #5 on: September 03, 2017, 03:51:40 PM »
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  • Here's a line from your lovely little liberal/modernist article, Poche:

    "If responding to the Church’s call to continence is not possible..."

    Now did the good "bishop" explain, or give an example of, exactly the circumstances that would account for such a scenario?

    This #FakeChurch double-speak hogwash is straight of the conciliarist playbook--announce deviations from tradition while simultaneously proclaiming that nothing has changed.

    Poche is a liberal and should be banned!

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #6 on: September 03, 2017, 03:57:44 PM »
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  • "Dr. Poche and Mr. LoT"
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #7 on: September 03, 2017, 05:16:41 PM »
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  • (((poche)))... it might not be incorrect.
    The second Monday of October is Columbus Day, not Indigenous People's Day. Without Columbus discovering the Indies and giving them the True Faith, they would still be cannibals worshipping the Sun.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #8 on: September 04, 2017, 10:54:50 PM »
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  • Here's a line from your lovely little liberal/modernist article, Poche:

    "If responding to the Church’s call to continence is not possible..."

    Now did the good "bishop" explain, or give an example of, exactly the circumstances that would account for such a scenario?

    This #FakeChurch double-speak hogwash is straight of the conciliarist playbook--announce deviations from tradition while simultaneously proclaiming that nothing has changed.

    Poche is a liberal and should be banned!
    The apostle Paul makes the same beginning in one of his letters to the Corinthians.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #9 on: September 04, 2017, 11:59:22 PM »
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  • He explained that the indissolubility of marriage is based the nature of “the union made by God in the spouses...In this is clearly manifested the priority of the existence of the Christian marriage over moral acts and their consequences.”
    Bishop Martinez also wrote on the “mysterious grandeur of Christian marriage” and to encourage spouses to be faithful to their vocation in the face of difficulties. He then explained the conditions for receiving Holy Communion, and the Magisterium of Amoris laetitia on the Eucharist, new unions, and pastoral conversion.
    Pope Francis encourages a “renewed apostolic zeal” in confronting challenges to married life, he wrote, adding that the complexity of situations must be taken into account so that each person can be accompanied according to God's plan, without judgment of their subjective imputability.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/argentine-pastoral-letter-accompaniment-in-marriage-must-be-faithful-28749/

    What that means is that all of us have a license to explain the Catholic teaching of marriage to the unbelievers.    

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #10 on: September 05, 2017, 11:29:40 PM »
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  • The apostle Paul makes the same beginning in one of his letters to the Corinthians.
    1 Corinthians 7:2?  Different wording and different context.  Besides, just out of curiosity, do you use some new age pseudo-Catholic version?  I much more enjoy reading about your cravings for colored folk food and junk than your new church vomit.  :barf:


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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 02:56:52 AM »
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  • 1 Corinthians 7:2?  Different wording and different context.  Besides, just out of curiosity, do you use some new age pseudo-Catholic version?  I much more enjoy reading about your cravings for colored folk food and junk than your new church vomit.  :barf:
    You are right, the context is different. However the Argentine bishops are using Amoris Laetitia to teach the indisolubility of marriage. 

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #12 on: September 06, 2017, 07:21:18 AM »
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  • You are right, the context is different. However the Argentine bishops are using Amoris Laetitia to teach the indisolubility of marriage.
    The Douay-Rheims says "But for fear of fornication..." 1 Corinthians 7:2
    Big difference from saying "continence is not possible."  Again, what version is your wording from?  What version do you turn to?
    So, I suppose when continence is difficult, not what you really want to do, not what you've been doing, or not what you've been doing for a really long time = continence is not possible.  Ahhh--good ole new church--the place where borders are open and the eye of the needle is so wide that you can march 50 camels abreast through if.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #13 on: September 08, 2017, 05:08:45 PM »
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  • While calling Amoris laetitia “a profound catechesis,”...

    Poche,
    Even if you think that divorced and remarried couples should have access to Communion, let's not call "AL" profound.  It was bland, airy-fairy, legalese dumbed down to the junior high school level. 
    I know you are quoting a Bishop, but you should correct the Bishop because you know better.

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    Re: Amoris Laetitia
    « Reply #14 on: September 08, 2017, 11:28:24 PM »
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  • Poche,
    Even if you think that divorced and remarried couples should have access to Communion, let's not call "AL" profound.  It was bland, airy-fairy, legalese dumbed down to the junior high school level.  
    I know you are quoting a Bishop, but you should correct the Bishop because you know better.
    What is more important is that these Argentine bishops are saying that Amoris Laetitia is also saying that you cannot have access to Holy Communion if they are divorced and remarried without having the previous marriage annulled. 

     

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