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Offline poche

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« on: October 05, 2016, 12:44:09 AM »
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  • Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the Pope’s vicar for the Rome diocese, has issued guidelines for the implementation of Amoris Laetitia, indicating that divorced and remarried couples might be admitted to Communion only in unusual cases and with strict limitations.

    Cardinal Vallini offered a 17-page set of guidelines, in which he encourages priests to inform their people about the new procedures offered by Pope Francis to test the validity of a marriage. He goes on to say that if an annulment cannot be obtained, other avenues may remain open.

    Cardinal Vallini stresses that in the apostolic exhortation, Pope Francis “is not saying that they must be admitted to the sacraments, although he does not exclude this in some cases and under some conditions.” He says that Amoris Laetitia does not represent a break with prior Church teaching, and that under normal circuмstances a divorced and remarried couple would be required to live as brother and sister if they intend to approach the Eucharist.

    In unusual cases—“as in the case in which there is the moral certainty that the first marriage was null but there are not the proofs to demonstrate this in a judicial setting”—remarried couples might be allowed to receive the Eucharist, Cardinal Vallini writes. But even in these cases, he cautions, reception of Communion could not be allowed if “their condition is shown off as if it were part of the Christian ideal.”

    Ultimately, the cardinal writes, the decision about admission to Communion should be made by a priest-confessor after careful discernment and extensive counseling:


    It can be none other than the confessor, at a certain point, in his conscience, after much reflection and prayer, who must assume the responsibility before God and the penitent and ask that the access take place in a discreet manner.


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=29535


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    « Reply #1 on: October 05, 2016, 08:11:40 AM »
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    He says that Amoris Laetitia does not represent a break with prior Church teaching,


    Yep, just keep telling yourself that.

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    In unusual cases—“as in the case in which there is the moral certainty that the first marriage was null but there are not the proofs to demonstrate this in a judicial setting”—remarried couples might be allowed to receive the Eucharist, Cardinal Vallini writes.


    "moral certainty" eh?


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    « Reply #2 on: October 05, 2016, 08:24:49 AM »
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  • We can see how goalposts are being moved in the conservative Novus Ordo circles. Prior to the Synods and Amoris Laetitia you could read articles from conservative Novus Ordites that there is absolutely no possibility of admitting divorced and "remarried" to Communion and even the Pope cannot do that. Now you have Tim Staples admitting that Francis allowed some people living in second "marriages" to partake the Holy Eucharist and defending that (just like Francis, he claims that internal forum can override external forum). It looks like these people will be able to rationalize away any scandal or heresy of Francis in desparate attempts to create a bridge between Catholicism and post-Vatican II apostasy.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 05, 2016, 08:41:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: Arvinger
    We can see how goalposts are being moved in the conservative Novus Ordo circles. Prior to the Synods and Amoris Laetitia you could read articles from conservative Novus Ordites that there is absolutely no possibility of admitting divorced and "remarried" to Communion and even the Pope cannot do that. Now you have Tim Staples admitting that Francis allowed some people living in second "marriages" to partake the Holy Eucharist and defending that (just like Francis, he claims that internal forum can override external forum). It looks like these people will be able to rationalize away any scandal or heresy of Francis in desparate attempts to create a bridge between Catholicism and post-Vatican II apostasy.


    Yes, I heard the bums on Catholic Answers repeatedly claiming that nothing has changed.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 05, 2016, 12:18:58 PM »
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    Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the Pope’s vicar for the Rome diocese, has issued guidelines for the implementation of Amoris Laetitia, indicating that divorced and remarried couples might be admitted to Communion only in unusual cases and with strict limitations.


    That means everyone will be doing it.  


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    « Reply #5 on: October 05, 2016, 12:44:46 PM »
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  • What does it all mean, Poche?

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    « Reply #6 on: October 05, 2016, 01:03:56 PM »
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  • Poche says:

    Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the Pope’s vicar for the Rome diocese, has issued guidelines for the implementation of Amoris Laetitia, indicating that divorced and remarried couples might be admitted to Communion only in unusual cases and with strict limitations.

    Judging from the experiences from the past, this will mean nothing to the
    typical novus ordo parish because communion has been handed out liberally
    for years without any unusual cases and absolutely no strict limitations.
    Communion in the hand is a prime example. Absolutely no parish in and
    around my area can you receive communion kneeling and on the tongue.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 05, 2016, 01:39:47 PM »
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    Poche says:

    Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the Pope’s vicar for the Rome diocese, has issued guidelines for the implementation of Amoris Laetitia, indicating that divorced and remarried couples might be admitted to Communion only in unusual cases and with strict limitations.

    Judging from the experiences from the past, this will mean nothing to the
    typical novus ordo parish because communion has been handed out liberally
    for years without any unusual cases and absolutely no strict limitations.
    Communion in the hand is a prime example. Absolutely no parish in and
    around my area can you receive communion kneeling and on the tongue.


    Exactly; this completely back-doors the entire process ... with the back door WIDE OPEN.  Once you let parish priests work with people to form their consciences, it's about 10 days away from open season on communion for public adulterers.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 05, 2016, 01:40:48 PM »
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    Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the Pope’s vicar for the Rome diocese, has issued guidelines for the implementation of Amoris Laetitia, indicating that divorced and remarried couples might be admitted to Communion only in unusual cases and with strict limitations.


    That means everyone will be doing it.  


    Yep.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 05, 2016, 01:47:18 PM »
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  • So where is Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider on this?  Have they acquiesced to what is the official "magisterial" interpretation of Amoris Laetitia and they no longer object, in principle, to the concept of "Communion" for public adulterers?  Or are they resisting in silence?

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    « Reply #10 on: October 05, 2016, 02:41:43 PM »
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    So where is Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider on this?


     :sleep:    :sleep:


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    « Reply #11 on: October 05, 2016, 04:20:17 PM »
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    So where is Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider on this?


     :sleep:    :sleep:


    How can they be asleep?  Weren't there interviews and news articles telling us that they were going to "resist" what has been done by the Vatican?  So...how are they "resisting"?

    Are they resisting by staying way, way under the radar and completely out of the public?

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    « Reply #12 on: October 05, 2016, 04:40:48 PM »
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    So where is Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider on this?


     :sleep:    :sleep:


    How can they be asleep?  Weren't there interviews and news articles telling us that they were going to "resist" what has been done by the Vatican?  So...how are they "resisting"?

    Are they resisting by staying way, way under the radar and completely out of the public?


    Now that Francis made absolutely clear that the purpose of Amoris Laetitia is to admit divorced and "remarried" to Communion, Schneider's and Burke's options of resisting without explicitly opposing Bergoglio (which they'd probably prefer to avoid) are extremely limited. They will have to make their choice very soon.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 05, 2016, 08:27:36 PM »
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    Now that Francis made absolutely clear that the purpose of Amoris Laetitia is to admit divorced and "remarried" to Communion, Schneider's and Burke's options of resisting without explicitly opposing Bergoglio (which they'd probably prefer to avoid) are extremely limited. They will have to make their choice very soon.


    I think they made their choice a long time ago.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 05, 2016, 10:25:09 PM »
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  • Add that to the theology of the Body!
    May God bless you and keep you