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America Needs Fatima, Who?
« on: October 05, 2018, 10:36:00 PM »
What is the truth about this organization? Does anyone here have firsthand knowledge of them, as they stand, in The Church currently?

Established first as the TFP (Tradition Family Property), then going in a different direction after the passing of their founder Mr. Plinio Correa de Oliveira, who are they now?

I cannot find good info online, Wiki has only the basics. 
One thing I found on wiki is that the Southern Poverty Law Center lists the organization as a “virulently anti-LGBT group.”[33]

Also they are on wiki as being “Ardently anti-Communist, the group's interpretation of Catholic teaching led it to voice its opposition to the Vatican's policy of rapprochement with Communism.[10]

I receive emails from them almost daily and their militant activism against blasphemy of Our Lord, Mary, and The Church are unmatched, at least as far as I have encountered. 

I don’t want to join their group, or donate funds, only sign their petitions, participate in Rosary Marches, and possibly purchase a rose to be placed, with my intentions, at the feet of a statue of Mary, in Fatima, for the anniversary of The Miracle of the Sun on the 13th of October. 
https://americaneedsfatima.org/forms/WEBWR18.html


Thoughts on America Needs Fatima?

Re: America Needs Fatima, Who?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2018, 01:29:35 AM »


Re: America Needs Fatima, Who?
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2018, 01:55:07 AM »
This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition,_Family_and_Property
seems to be a different page on Wiki than the one you speak of, Carissima.

Re: America Needs Fatima, Who?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2018, 07:32:14 AM »
The Australian version:
http://www.fatima.org.au/

and Oceania:
http://www.fatima.org.au/oceania/
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The Fatima Center has nothing to do with America Needs Fatima, but it looks like ANF has managed to use the "fatima.org" domain for Australia and Oceania, since it entails the extension -.au (for Australia). In America, fatima.org belongs to the Fatima Center, founded by Fr. Nicholas Gruner (RIP). Fr. Gruner was in no way associated with the ANF branch of TF&P. He was, however, loosely associated with TIA. One joint project, We Resist You to the Face, was co-authored by Guimaraes and Marian T. Horvat, PhD., along with 2 of Fr. Gruner's regulars, John Vennari (of Catholic Family News) and Michael J. Matt (of The Remnant). 
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The founder of TIA, Atila Sinke Guimaraes, has an associate, Marian T. Horvat, and together they edit materials in English and Portuguese very well. TIA has a selection of books they've published including the many-volume Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani.
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Marian Horvat's brother, John Horvat II, is vice president and member of the board of directors of ANF. But as far as I know these 2 siblings have very little association with each other's office. They might write letters to each other but they don't have any joint projects, from what I've heard.
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The ANF group is basically Novus Ordo, and most of their membership is in Newchurch.
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TIA is absolutely TLM, and diligently seeks to promote the Latin Mass, recommending against everything Novus Ordo.
I guess you would call them Recognize & Resist.
But they have been a longstanding advocate of the fake Sister Lucia theory, long before Peter Chojnowski took it up.
I've had the impression that ANF would have nothing to do with the fake Sr. Lucy concept.
It seems to me they'd be terrified of alienating most of their followers that way, which might be the case in fact.
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I know Trads who are very appreciative of the ANF projects, since they take the Rosary to the streets without compromise.
Their demonstrations and public Rosaries eagerly invite the participation of all comers, and Protestants join in to pray the Rosary.
I have no idea how they explain the concept of "getting together to pray, but not praying together" like JPII at Assisi I & II did.
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A friend recently told me about a local Novus Ordo parish that had announced a public Rosary at the Church, in Simi Valley.
She was anticipating having it outside, on the sidewalk, where everyone can see it.
That's the way ANF does these Rosaries, often at public parks with soccer games going on all around, and the like.
But when the day arrived, everyone was inside the church, so my friend sought out an explanation from the parish office.
They explained to her that the Knights of Columbus had stepped in to run the Rosary, and they wanted to keep it indoors.
My friend was quite disappointed, because, she said, how can you expect to spread the Faith when you hide out of sight?
For this reason, she is an outspoken advocate of ANF, and thinks they are doing a lot of good.
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I was involved about 20 years ago with organizing a home Pilgrim Virgin of Fatima visit from the ANF group.
They set up the date, and tell you how to invite friends and neighbors for the ceremony.
They show up with their Virgin Mary of Fatima statue, and get all set up with decorations and literature in your home.
There is a prayer sequence they lead, which includes a Rosary and then a short speech by the ANF representative.
At the end he encourages everyone to drop some *money* into the conspicuously perched box with a small opening in the top.
When everyone is finished, the rep picks up all his stuff, beginning with the BOX, and carries the statue etc. out to his minivan.
They obviously are well-rehearsed and use the same format wherever they go, I would suppose.
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Re: America Needs Fatima, Who?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2018, 02:57:24 PM »
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The Fatima Center has nothing to do with America Needs Fatima, but it looks like ANF has managed to use the "fatima.org" domain for Australia and Oceania, since it entails the extension -.au (for Australia). In America, fatima.org belongs to the Fatima Center, founded by Fr. Nicholas Gruner (RIP). Fr. Gruner was in no way associated with the ANF branch of TF&P. He was, however, loosely associated with TIA. One joint project, We Resist You to the Face, was co-authored by Guimaraes and Marian T. Horvat, PhD., along with 2 of Fr. Gruner's regulars, John Vennari (of Catholic Family News) and Michael J. Matt (of The Remnant).
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The founder of TIA, Atila Sinke Guimaraes, has an associate, Marian T. Horvat, and together they edit materials in English and Portuguese very well. TIA has a selection of books they've published including the many-volume Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani.
.
Marian Horvat's brother, John Horvat II, is vice president and member of the board of directors of ANF. But as far as I know these 2 siblings have very little association with each other's office. They might write letters to each other but they don't have any joint projects, from what I've heard.
.
The ANF group is basically Novus Ordo, and most of their membership is in Newchurch.
.
TIA is absolutely TLM, and diligently seeks to promote the Latin Mass, recommending against everything Novus Ordo.
I guess you would call them Recognize & Resist.
But they have been a longstanding advocate of the fake Sister Lucia theory, long before Peter Chojnowski took it up.
I've had the impression that ANF would have nothing to do with the fake Sr. Lucy concept.
It seems to me they'd be terrified of alienating most of their followers that way, which might be the case in fact.
.
I know Trads who are very appreciative of the ANF projects, since they take the Rosary to the streets without compromise.
Their demonstrations and public Rosaries eagerly invite the participation of all comers, and Protestants join in to pray the Rosary.
I have no idea how they explain the concept of "getting together to pray, but not praying together" like JPII at Assisi I & II did.
.
A friend recently told me about a local Novus Ordo parish that had announced a public Rosary at the Church, in Simi Valley.
She was anticipating having it outside, on the sidewalk, where everyone can see it.
That's the way ANF does these Rosaries, often at public parks with soccer games going on all around, and the like.
But when the day arrived, everyone was inside the church, so my friend sought out an explanation from the parish office.
They explained to her that the Knights of Columbus had stepped in to run the Rosary, and they wanted to keep it indoors.
My friend was quite disappointed, because, she said, how can you expect to spread the Faith when you hide out of sight?
For this reason, she is an outspoken advocate of ANF, and thinks they are doing a lot of good.
.
I was involved about 20 years ago with organizing a home Pilgrim Virgin of Fatima visit from the ANF group.
They set up the date, and tell you how to invite friends and neighbors for the ceremony.
They show up with their Virgin Mary of Fatima statue, and get all set up with decorations and literature in your home.
There is a prayer sequence they lead, which includes a Rosary and then a short speech by the ANF representative.
At the end he encourages everyone to drop some *money* into the conspicuously perched box with a small opening in the top.
When everyone is finished, the rep picks up all his stuff, beginning with the BOX, and carries the statue etc. out to his minivan.
They obviously are well-rehearsed and use the same format wherever they go, I would suppose.
.


There is a standing joke around here that when "America Needs Fatima (ANF), the TFP needs money."

When the TFP began the ANF campaign with the first publication of Crusade magazine they claimed to be revealing the third secret. What they published was an early 1960s claim to be the third secret that was discredited long ago, almost directly after having been published.  

I got to know them well after they purchased the old Glatfelter estate in Spring Grove, PA about five miles from my home.  I called the TFP and ask to meet with them.  I had a nice meeting with their directors at their headquarters which I explained to them the errors in their first edition and brought them a lot of material from Fr. Gruner including the three volume work by Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima.  I spoke to them for about 45 minutes in which they listened very attentively and did not say a word in reply. They thanked me an took my material which I know they read very carefully because their next issue of the Crusade did a complete about face on the Fatima story. They plagiarized all of Fr. Grunner's material as if it were their own and never, not once ever, gave any credit to Fr. Gruner.  And since they have a policy of never criticizing any of the Church hierarchy, they never offered any defense of Fr. Gruner when he was publicly persecuted in his work to make the message of Fatima known.

I had a similar experience with the TFP when discussing the social kingship of Christ the King.  Sitting at a table with at least a dozen members of TFP, we were in complete agreement and I could not criticize anything that was said except this: not one of them ever heard of Fr. Denis Fahey or Cardinal Louis-Édouard-François-Desiré Pie. They attributed the entire Catholic theological teaching on the social kingship of Christ to Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira.  

ANF is used primarily to generate income for the TFP.  They had a real crisis when Rome claimed to have revealed the entirety of the third secret. They did not believe that the entire secret had been revealed but since they will not publicly contradict any Roman policy, they did not know what to do. They then sent a questionnaire and canvassed their supporters to get a feel if Fatima was worth continuing since it was now a historical interest only.  The reason Atila Guimaraes of Tradition In Action left the TFP is because they were opposed to the publication of "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACTHANI."  Although TIA has a lot of good and useful information, Atila still promotes the geopolitical view of the TFP.  He may end up being the last guy in the world to admit the that 9-11 was an inside job.  He still to this day defends the conquest of Iraq including the bombing of inner city civilian population in Bagdad.

If you want evidence that the TFP is a cult try to get one of their directors to say the name of "Atila Guimaraes" in front of witnesses.  Just ask them how it should be properly pronounced. The TFP makes a solemn oath to God never to repeat the name of anyone expelled from the organization.  

Drew