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Re: All you ever wanted to know and probably more
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2022, 03:37:28 PM »
Some other interesting info on the topic:

"The accusation against Pope Pius IX is not new, and it has never been proved and instead ably refuted. This makes it all the more puzzling to see TIA bring it up again. We have dealt with this calumny before and also with the charge that “Pius IX was a liberal” when he was elected, which is a half-truth needing important qualification. Find the necessary information here:

• The Calumny against Pope Pius IX

More specifically, the charge that Pius IX had been a Freemason was examined in detail and refuted by Fr. Herbert Thurston, S.J., in his book No Popery! Chapters on Anti-Papal Prejudice (1930). We have scanned the relevant chapter and make it available here:

• “The Pope who was a Freemason” by Rev. Herbert Thurston, S.J. (PDF)

As the author shows, the various Masonic accusers cannot even get their story straight, differing just on when and where the young Giovanni Maria Mastai-Ferretti (the future Pius IX) supposedly entered the Lodge! Note that the title of Fr. Thurston’s article, “The Pope who was a Freemason”, is to be understood tongue-in-cheek. Pius IX, of course, was not a Freemason. Why, then, has Pius IX been accused of it? Why are there rumors about it?

A little bit of research goes a long way. It seems that at the origin of this calumny are the Freemasons themselves (shocker!). They appear to have made up this accusation against the Holy Father precisely in revenge for his severe condemnation of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in 1865. According to one biography of the good Pope:

In the months that followed this public condemnation of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, several Masonic publications in France and Italy, intent on revenge, propagated the story that Pius IX himself, in his youth, had been a Freemason.

Apparently it was the Lodge of Palermo that first put out the accusation… In France, the journal Le Monde Maçonnique immediately went into print with this information [in December 1865]. (Yves Chiron, Pope Pius IX: The Man and the Myth [Kansas City, MO: Angelus Press, 2005], pp. 217-218)"

Re: All you ever wanted to know and probably more
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2022, 03:45:32 PM »
On another note about Pius IX...

I just finished reading an amazing old book on the Life of Saint Bernadette that I found at a thrift store by Abbe Francois Trochu (1954 in French 1957 in English).  In the book she was quoted as claiming that one of the main purpose of the Vision of Lourdes was to show Heaven's support of Pius IX and his continual defense for the Church and Her Doctrines.    Let me see if I can find the exact wording...


Re: All you ever wanted to know and probably more
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2022, 03:54:52 PM »
The parts that stood out to me:

"What could I do, Most Holy Father, to show You my deep gratitude?  For a long time now I have been one of Your Holiness's zouaves, though an unworthy one."

"I pray every day to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Mary to keep you among us for a long time to come, since You make them so well known and loved."

"How good the Blessed Virgin is!  One would think she came to confirm the words of Our Holy Father."

"It is this that makes me believe that she must protect You quite specially."

Re: All you ever wanted to know and probably more
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2022, 03:57:05 PM »
The parts that stood out to me:

"What could I do, Most Holy Father, to show You my deep gratitude?  For a long time now I have been one of Your Holiness's zouaves, though an unworthy one."

"I pray every day to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Mary to keep you among us for a long time to come, since You make them so well known and loved."

"How good the Blessed Virgin is!  One would think she came to confirm the words of Our Holy Father."

"It is this that makes me believe that she must protect You quite specially."
Sorry!  Attached links twice by mistake!  :facepalm:

Re: All you ever wanted to know and probably more
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2022, 04:20:13 PM »
Consider the source. The link is a TIA article. For those who don't know, TIA is not Catholic. Their leader Atila G., says on his own website that God is less important to him than Plinio:
This link is written by Atila and posted on his website. An excerpt is below.
 https://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/Internet_Files/F142_Defense_Eng.pdf
 p. 36
 Even the contemplation of God's plans in History . .  did not bring me the broadness of panoramas and the sense of the divine that my relationship with Dr. Plinio provided. . .
 . . .
 "This relationship . . . is sacred to me. The great Moses with his burning bush on the top of Sinai does not make me jealous. For if he were there with God for 40 days, I have been with Dr. Plinio for 33 years. And in this relationship I see, perhaps, more of the divine presence than he before the sacred bush. And I guard the hope that I still may win the dispute with this Prophet when I shall pass from this exile to the Fatherland."