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Exilenomore · « **Reply #35 on:** July 07, 2016, 02:35:40 PM »

Quote from: qeddeq

This is your Bishop :

What, you think it is impossible that a Bishop would propagate heresy? If that were the case, then Nestorius would not have held his infamous Christmas sermon many centuries past.

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I'm not sure the pope can be tried on the basis of canon law. I would like to see the details of this proposed tribunal.

The Pope cannot be tried on the basis of human laws, since he is above these, but before he loses the papal office, he must nevertheless have spurned public admonitions directed to him by the ecclesiastical hierarchy. This is all basic. God hates disorder, and the system of the Sedevacantists is just that; disorder. The Church, being a public society, simply does not work that way. Added to that, the whole Episcopate cannot be unaware of a Pope losing his office, due to the theological principle of universal recognition, since the God-given quality of indefectibility excludes the possibility of the Church submitting itself to a principle of schism, which a false pope essentially is.

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The answer to the question is that it has happened before and there is nothing hypothetical to that fact.

What happened before? That the universal Church has been bereft of bishops in possession of episcopal seats? No, that has never happened before, it is not happening today, and it will never happen in the future. And I was not saying that this was hypothetically possible; I was referring to appointment of bishops to dioceses, with the explicit jurisdiction to do so, during interregna, and not to your mutilated concept of ecclesiastical jurisdiction.

Read what I have written, and then read what you have answered. That is troll behaviour, and if you insist on continuing it, then do not bother expecting more responses from me. I am not foolish enough to waste my time with such games.

qeddeq · « **Reply #36 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:33:44 PM »

has your bishop been admonished that he is teaching heresy? Do you think he will be admonished?
Suppose an entire ecuмenical council were to teach heresy, and that all of the bishops and popes thereafter were to teach this heresy. Who admonishes them?

Exilenomore · « **Reply #37 on:** July 07, 2016, 03:55:22 PM »

A heresy can never be universally taught within the Church by all the bishops alive.

Reform will come. If you will not receive rational argumentation, then the facts of history yet to be written will confound you when they will unfold before your eyes. God has always preserved his Holy Church Catholic, even during the darkest hours, and he will continue to do so. He will exalt her, perhaps through (and I say it with sadness) the crucible of persecution. Next year, the centennial of the Fatima apparitions will have dawned upon mankind, and we will have to wait and see what will take place. From the request of the Sacred Heart of Jesus for the consecration of France to the French Revolution, there were a hundred years. In 1917, the Immaculate Heart of Mary requested the consecration of Russia, and a hundred years will soon have passed.

Denying the possibility of reform within the Church is an act of faithless souls. The Church is a divine institution, and she has seen empires totter and the destruction of nations; she, however, has survived them, and she will survive her present tribulations as well.

qeddeq · « **Reply #38 on:** July 07, 2016, 08:12:23 PM »

are you denying that vatican 2 was heresy? the entire church has taught it since 1965.I'm trying to grasp your theory: vatican 2 taught substantial heresy, all the popes and bishops have taught this heresy for some 50 years(except the SV and sspx groups) and yet you maintain that this body remains the catholic church. We are not talking about reform in the sense of reforming an abuse, we are talking about substantial heresy, a rupture with the church's teaching that has lasted for many decades. Your theory cannot explain this. Your theory also cannot explain the future: that it has grown worse. I want you to tell me that vatican 2 was not substantially heretical in its teachings.

qeddeq · « **Reply #39 on:** July 07, 2016, 09:38:54 PM »

1)"reform will come". Tell me how this reform can come about. Do you mean the repudiation of Vatican 2? If that happens, then this group of reformers will have to declare that V2 was not a true council of the church. They will need to declare that it was not an act of the extraordinary magisterium but a false council.
They will then need to declare that all the popes until that point were at least material heretics. They will need to change the church root and branch from the seminaries to the grade school classrooms. All of the encyclicals written since 1962 will need to be declared heretical insofar as they taught the heresies of vatican 2.
2) now who currently teaches correct doctrine and practice? We have such a group. What happens when they try to reform the church? They lose all canonical status. These "reformers" have existed for 50 years but what reception do they get?
3)If it were not for the SV groups you wouldn't have a valid mass. You would have the novus ordo missae, which is not valid. You would certainly not have the tridentine mass. That would've dead and buried, never to be seen again. You would not have a roman missal issued before 1962, when substantial changes were made to the liturgy to placate jews and protestants.