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AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2016, 07:13:21 AM »
Quote from: qeddeq
thanks for that link LoT. It ceases to surprise me that a sodomite apologist would hold the office of Bishop in newchurch. He's probably gαy himself and is a practicing sodomite. When Jesus defined marriage as between a man and a woman, and condemned sex outside of matrimony, he obviously meant to completely proscribe ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. If sex outside of marriage is impermissible, and marriage is only between a man and woman, then it follows as the night follows the day that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is never permissible. The words of christ won't stop newchurch though. Soon you'll see gαy lovers receiving communion, then you'll see them at the altar.
Exilenomore will be there, hard pressed, but ever loyal to the stench-church.


Right.  He has ecclesiastical law for normal times law trump the divine law that would allow the Church to continue through the only known legitimately Catholic Bishops and would have a heretical sodomistic hierarchy over a traditional Catholic one.  

AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2016, 08:37:26 AM »
There is no evidence that His Excellency is a sodomite himself. He defends that vile sin, and he must be opposed in that. But you cannot accuse a Bishop of personally having perpetrated the sin against nature, which cries to Heaven for vengeance, without presenting evidence.

qeddeq, you once again betray the arbitrary nature of your sectarian doctrine. You simply make things up as you go, without letting even a basic sense of justice get in your way. That said, you are straying the disputation away from the subject of locating the ecclesiastical hierarchy.

Quote from: Lover of Truth
Right.  He has ecclesiastical law for normal times law trump the divine law that would allow the Church to continue through the only known legitimately Catholic Bishops and would have a heretical sodomistic hierarchy over a traditional Catholic one.


Have you read the Canon? It clearly states that Bishops in possession of episcopal seats exist within the Church by divine institution. It is not a lex humana, but a lex divina. Your bishops do not even claim to possess dioceses; ergo, your hierarchy is not the Catholic Episcopate.

The right of electing a Bishop for the See of Antwerp does not belong to me, but to the Roman Pontiff. That the choice of Monseigneur Bonny is a disastrous one does not alter that fact. The Pope is the principle of episcopal authority, not the people. I am not a revolutionary; I recognise legitimate authority instead of overthrowing it. We, Europeans who have the faith, are sick of revolutions, and we want order restored. I want to combat the nefarious agenda of my Bishop, but I refuse to usurp authority which I do not have as a lay man.

And what I have said to qeddeq, I repeat to you: You have no right to accuse my Bishop of having committed sodomy when you are unable to provide evidence of that.

The Archbishop of Valencia has recently been threatened with imprisonment for having condemned sodomism. Where are the sedevacantist bishops who are being persecuted in this way? Would you call this Archbishop a "sodomite hierarch" as well? If you are calling the whole ecclesiastical hierarchy a "heretical sodomistic hierarchy", then you simply have no love for the truth.


AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2016, 08:53:00 AM »
Quote from: Exilenomore
There is no evidence that His Excellency is a sodomite himself. He defends that vile sin, and he must be opposed in that. But you cannot accuse a Bishop of personally having perpetrated the sin against nature, which cries to Heaven for vengeance, without presenting evidence.

qeddeq, you once again betray the arbitrary nature of your sectarian doctrine. You simply make things up as you go, without letting even a basic sense of justice get in your way. That said, you are straying the disputation away from the subject of locating the ecclesiastical hierarchy.

Quote from: Lover of Truth
Right.  He has ecclesiastical law for normal times law trump the divine law that would allow the Church to continue through the only known legitimately Catholic Bishops and would have a heretical sodomistic hierarchy over a traditional Catholic one.


Have you read the Canon? It clearly states that Bishops in possession of episcopal seats exist within the Church by divine institution. It is not a lex humana, but a lex divina. Your bishops do not even claim to possess dioceses; ergo, your hierarchy is not the Catholic Episcopate.

The right of electing a Bishop for the See of Antwerp does not belong to me, but to the Roman Pontiff. That the choice of Monseigneur Bonny is a disastrous one does not alter that fact. The Pope is the principle of episcopal authority, not the people. I am not a revolutionary; I recognise legitimate authority instead of overthrowing it. We, Europeans who have the faith, are sick of revolutions, and we want order restored. I want to combat the nefarious agenda of my Bishop, but I refuse to usurp authority which I do not have as a lay man.

And what I have said to qeddeq, I repeat to you: You have no right to accuse my Bishop of having committed sodomy when you are unable to provide evidence of that.

The Archbishop of Valencia has recently been threatened with imprisonment for having condemned sodomism. Where are the sedevacantist bishops who are being persecuted in this way? Would you call this Archbishop a "sodomite hierarch" as well? If you are calling the whole ecclesiastical hierarchy a "heretical sodomistic hierarchy", then you simply have no love for the truth.


You either refuse to acknowledge or do not understand what I have presented or you would have tried to directly refute it.  

Have bishops been consecrated and granted ordinary jurisdiction in the past during an interregnum?  Yes or no?  There is one correct answer to that question.  Answer it if you are an intellectually honest person after truth rather than your preference.

AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2016, 09:31:41 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth
Have bishops been consecrated and granted ordinary jurisdiction in the past during an interregnum?  Yes or no?  There is one correct answer to that question.


I am not aware of such occasions in history, but it would be possible if Pontifical law during those hypothetical times explicitly permitted the election of bishops to dioceses during interregna. I have already addressed this objection of yours, but it is completely beside the subject matter at hand. Your bishops do not possess episcopal seats, and they do not even claim to do so. Also, there is no interregnum at present, as there is a Pope of Rome reigning in the seven-hilled city, recognised by the whole Apostolic Episcopate. Your bishops do not have potestas ordinaria.

A diocese is the ordinary episcopal jurisdiction of a bishop. The Canon which I cited states that this jurisdiction exists within the Church by divine law. Your bishops have no dioceses. How many times do I have to repeat this? It is not very difficult to understand.

Your whole pretended hierarchy hinges on an imagined invisible transmission of authority, while the visible transmission of ecclesiastical authority is one of the defining elements of the true Church which make her recognisable as such. Your sedevacantist 'church' is a phantom.

AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2016, 10:05:07 AM »
Quote from: Exilenomore
The right of electing a Bishop for the See of Antwerp does not belong to me, but to the Roman Pontiff.


I have to make a correction here. The Roman Pontiff does not elect bishops, but he appoints them.