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AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2016, 03:27:49 AM »
Quote from: qeddeq
are you denying that vatican 2 was heresy?


Vatican II was a Council, not a doctrine by itself. Texts such as Dignitatis humanae, that have emanated from the Pope and a certain amount of Council Fathers contain grievous errors, and they must be condemned and renounced. The formulations used by the Supreme Pontiff to authorise such texts were of a low binding force, and they are comparable to those used when, for example, approving a book. People stare themselves blind upon the titles of docuмents ("constitution", "encyclical" etc.), but the magisterium of the Church does not work in such a bureaucratic way. The formulations in the texts themselves are what matter, and a Pope could even solemnly define a dogma during a sermon, if the necessary criteria would be fulfilled. The form of expressions used by Pope Paul VI made the convening of an Eucuмenical Council pointless.

Furthermore, none of the Vatican II texts containing errors have been signed by all the Bishops. You are wrong to claim that the whole Episcopate teaches these errors.

God has preserved His Church unto our days, and He will continue to do so. As I have already said, reform (which will include the extirpation of heresy) will come, and those who deny that it is possible are saying that the arm of God is too short, which is a blasphemy.

And it is not true that you Sedevacantists are the reason why the old Mass still exists within the Church. God does not need you to preserve the authentic Roman liturgical traditions.

AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2016, 10:39:32 AM »
I take that long winded answer as a no, that you do not deny that V2 taught substantial heresy. We have your admission.


AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2016, 10:53:11 AM »
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Quote from: Exilenomore
Quote from: Lover of Truth
What bishop do you submit to?


Monseigneur Johan Bonny, per gratiam Apostolicae Sedis Antverpiae Episcopus.


Is he a valid Bishop with ordinary jurisdiction?



Dear Exilenomore,

Your "Bishop" may not even be a priest. In order to accept him as a Bishop or priest, I would first have to be certain about the validity of  the new ordination rite and the new formula for consecrating bishops. I am not certain about them. Was he ordained by a new rite bishop in the old or new rite of ordination?

I believe this is where LOT was going with his question, and you did not respond to him.  

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AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2016, 11:05:03 AM »
Quote from: Exilenomore
The formulations used by the Supreme Pontiff to authorise such texts were of a low binding force, and they are comparable to those used when, for example, approving a book.


Nice try, but, uhm, no.  Not even close.

AGAIN Defending the False Assertion That SV Leads to the Disappearance of
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2016, 11:38:47 AM »
Quote from: Exilenomore


God has preserved His Church unto our days, and He will continue to do so. As I have already said, reform (which will include the extirpation of heresy) will come, and those who deny that it is possible are saying that the arm of God is too short, which is a blasphemy.

And it is not true that you Sedevacantists are the reason why the old Mass still exists within the Church. God does not need you to preserve the authentic Roman liturgical traditions.


I agree God doesn't need Sedevacantism to preserve the authentic Roman liturgical, however God uses us as His instruments as He had done over and over again in the history of His Church, using His faithful as instruments.
 
Get one thing straight, to accept Sedevantism does not mean we deny the Papacy we are Ultramontane in our belief.  We defend the Pope and his authority, you are defending error.  One can't defend error in matters of faith and morals and still be Catholic because the Church is a DIVINE INSTITUTION, it can not lead souls to Hell.

Those who have separated from the novus ordo are His remnant; to dare say that  those who are keeping the faith and want nothing to do with  heresy claim "the arm of God is too short" are the lost.  Those who say that!  They put their faith in material things, not in the spiritual.  They judge the  Church to be where the buildings, land and possessions including treasures such as relics, writings of True Popes are kept to be the Church, but in truth they have robbed those from the Church.  They disregard completely what the definition of The Church IS.  

Why? Would the Vatican name their new telescope on Mount Graham after Lucifer?  That alone should wake up anyone with an ounce of grace.

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