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Affirm or deny: Pope Honorius remained the Roman Pontiff until his death, even though the Sixth Ecumenical Council formally condemned and anathematized him as a heretic and Pope Leo II ratified that condemnation.

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Author Topic: Affirm or Deny: Heretic Yet Pope Until Death? (Pope Honorius I case  (Read 1134 times)

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Online SkidRowCatholic

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  • You have accused me of being a Protestant, and “OrthoBro”
    No sparky, I accused you of being CATHOLIC TRUMPET GUY (who is arguing like a Protestant, and doubts the papacy like an OrthoBro).

    Offline ArmandLouis

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  • Here I will help out.

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    You have already used this program to promote an absolute untruth, the falsehood is Pope Leo III issued a decree absolving Honorius in 799, this is a complete fabrication, doesn’t exist, and has never taken place.
    Vive les bons prêtres !


    Online SkidRowCatholic

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  • completely destroys the grave error of sedevacantism.
    :jester::facepalm::laugh1::laugh2::laugh1::facepalm::jester::laugh1::laugh2::jester::facepalm::laugh2::laugh1:

    OK. 

    You better let them know on "The Catholic Trumpet".

    Online SkidRowCatholic

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  • You have already used this program to promote an absolute untruth
    Oh you mean the same AI you use to support your "truth"?

    Oh, oh no... What are we to do...

    Maybe the AI is lying to me but it is honest with you?

    Yes, that must be it. :facepalm:


    Offline ArmandLouis

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  • Oh you mean the same AI you use to support your "truth"?

    Oh, oh no... What are we to do...

    Maybe the AI is lying to me but it is honest with you?

    Yes, that must be it. :facepalm:
    I am citing Catholic sources, and you are citing AI. If you think the sources are wrong, then name which of these are “AI”:

    • Mansi, Sacrorum Conciliorum XI
    • Vita Leonis II
    • Liber Diurnus Romanorum Pontificuм
    • Roman Breviary (pre‑1955)
    • Acts of the Sixth Ecuмenical Council
    • Acts of Nicaea II (787)
    • Denzinger (pre‑1955)

    These are the primary historical and liturgical records of the Church, printed centuries before any computer existed. If you believe these texts are “lying,” then simply say so and identify which one you reject. All I have done is list the sources.

    So, do you deny that Honorius was anathematized as a heretic yet remained pope until his death, or will you admit the historical record? 

    *Blows The Catholic Trumpet*: [The Sixth Ecuмenical Council, also known as the Third Council of Constantinople, is recognized as a dogmatic council of the Church.]

    If you refuse to affirm or deny, I think I am done speaking to you, as it is clear whether you are of good will or not.

    Vive les bons prêtres !


    Online SkidRowCatholic

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  • Whoa, whoa, whoa - don't be hasty now.

    So, do you deny that Honorius was anathematized as a heretic yet remained pope until his death, or will you admit the historical record?
    OK. I will tell you what I think.

    Just don't hang up.

    Please I am beggin you...:pray:

    Though I won't vote in your rigged poll (I already made that clear).

    But first,

    before I answer,

    you really have evaded me on this;

    Tell me if you are Catholic Trumpet guy or one of his associates.

    Come on. You first.

    I don't got all night.

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  • Well, I guess we know what that means...

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  • I will leave you with more of the good and wholesome teaching of St. Robert Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church 

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  • Goodnight Catholic Trumpet guy - sleep tight.

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  • Don't let the bedbugs bite.

    Or the demonic hatred of Holy Mother Church, by slandering the papacy so you can "win" against the "evil" Sedes.

    Or demonic divisivness towards your fellow R&R brethren because they don't have the same dislike and negative view of Williamson and his spiritual offspring that you do.

    In fact, don't let anything bite you as it most likely will be bad for your health.

    Sleep well (if you warped conscience permits)

    Nighty, night.


    Offline Stubborn

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    If you refuse to affirm or deny, I think I am done speaking to you, as it is clear whether you are of good will or not.
    It's a rare occurrence that you will get a straight answer out of sedes....
      
    "In our view, this "unitarianism," or "Popolatry," like "Sedevacantism," should be recognized more as a syndrome than as a serious theological thesis. Its adherents are people who cannot think straight because they are anemic spirits. The disorder which the Conciliar Revolution has brought on the Church is too tragic a thing for them to bear psychologically, so that they have had to develop this subterfuge. Were it possible to communicate with them, we would say to these benighted souls...." - Fr. Wathen, Who Shall Ascend?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    I would disagree with St. Robert's assessment that a "rebuke for omission" would be legally justifiable ... except quite possibly only because Honorius was no longer Pope, having since been deceased, since papa a nemine judicandus ... the pope is to be judged by no one.  I think he knows this principle, since it factored in to his position among the "5 Opinions", but it would be interesting to see why he thinks it's OK to rebuke Honorius (because he was dead?).  Not sure.

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    It's a rare occurrence that you will get a straight answer out of sedes....
     
    "In our view, this "unitarianism," or "Popolatry," like "Sedevacantism," should be recognized more as a syndrome than as a serious theological thesis. Its adherents are people who cannot think straight because they are anemic spirits. The disorder which the Conciliar Revolution has brought on the Church is too tragic a thing for them to bear psychologically, so that they have had to develop this subterfuge. Were it possible to communicate with them, we would say to these benighted souls...." - Fr. Wathen, Who Shall Ascend?

    Unfortunate that a man of Father Wathen's caliber would engage in sheer gaslighting, bringing no theological argument to bear, but gratuitously claiming that it's not "a serious theological thesis" that people who "can't think straight" just came up with for no particular reason, because the contary would cause them "psychological" trauma, and the old smear of "popolatry", as if merely agreen with Archbishop Lefebvre that the Holly Ghost protects the papacy in such as way as to prevent this degree of desturction, making it entirely possible in his mind that the See has been vacant ... constitutes "popolatry".  Ridiculous.

    That's just a straigh-out lie and a slander.  If anything, it's the other way around, that the R&R types have to have their "security blanket" because the prospective vacancy of the See would traumatize them too much.

    This ran it actually quite pathetic, but then Fr. Wathen never had any real arguments regarding this issue.

    But of cours, we know that the non-Catholic heretic Stubborn here considers Father Wathen his sole rule of faith ... having discarded the actual Catholic one.

    Of course, a parish preist from the backwoords of Kentucky can simply declare that an actual theologian like Bishop Guerard des Laurier, who had advanced degrees from Rome when they meant something, who ghost-wrote the Ottaviani Intervention, who collaborated on the dogmatic definition of the Assumption, who had been personal confessor to Pope Pius XII for some time ... that he was just some guy who had no serious theological thesis, but just couldn't think straight on account of psychological problems and having an "anemic spirit".  This should be embarrassing for Father Wathen and all his blind followers.


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    It's a rare occurrence that you will get a straight answer out of sedes....
     

    You're kidding, right?  I always give a straight answer. As for you, you couldn't even give me a straight answer whether "the Church" canonized the writings in the New Testament!!

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    Unfortunate that a man of Father Wathen's caliber would engage in sheer gaslighting, bringing no theological argument to bear, but gratuitously claiming that it's not "a serious theological thesis" that people who "can't think straight" just came up with for no particular reason, because the contary would cause them "psychological" trauma, and the old smear of "popolatry", as if merely agreen with Archbishop Lefebvre that the Holly Ghost protects the papacy in such as way as to prevent this degree of desturction, making it entirely possible in his mind that the See has been vacant ... constitutes "popolatry".  Ridiculous.

    That's just a straigh-out lie and a slander.  If anything, it's the other way around, that the R&R types have to have their "security blanket" because the prospective vacancy of the See would traumatize them too much.

    This ran it actually quite pathetic, but then Fr. Wathen never had any real arguments regarding this issue.

    But of cours, we know that the non-Catholic heretic Stubborn here considers Father Wathen his sole rule of faith ... having discarded the actual Catholic one.
    Will you respond to the affirm or deny posed in this thread?
    Vive les bons prêtres !