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Offline fast777

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« on: January 31, 2014, 06:15:15 PM »
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  • I need an opinion on this statement in relation to Catholic teaching regarding "Absolute Truth"


    "Second of all, you ask if the thought, according to which no absolute exists and therefore there is no absolute truth, but only a series of relative and subjective truths is a mistake or a sin.  To start, I would not speak about, not even for those who believe, an "absolute" truth, in the sense that absolute is something detached, something lacking any relationship.  Now, the truth is a relationship!  This is so true that each of us sees the truth and expresses it, starting from oneself: from one's history and culture, from the situation in which one lives, etc.  This does not mean that the truth is variable and subjective. It means that it is given to us only as a way and a life.  Was it not Jesus himself who said:  "I am the way, the truth, the life"?  In other words, the truth is one with love, it requires humbleness and the willingness to be sought, listened to and expressed.  Therefore we must understand the terms well and perhaps, in order to avoid the oversemplification of absolute contraposition, reformulate the question.  I think that today this is absolutely necessary in order to have a serene and constructive dialogue which I hoped for from the beginning."


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    « Reply #1 on: January 31, 2014, 06:52:09 PM »
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  • This is another one of Bergoglio's classic misstatements.

    The truth is not a "relationship." However, the concept of truth is predicated of a relation between the knower and the thing known, this relation being one of conformity or correspondence. Every existing thing is true because it has a definite existence in the mind of God, who not only sees it but creates it exactly how it is. Since God can neither deceive nor be deceived, the way He sees something is literally the truth. The objects created by God are the causes of knowledge in human minds. Human knowledge is true when it corresponds to the reality of the object (ontological truth) and human action is truthful when the outward expression a man gives to his knowledge corresponds to that knowledge (moral truth). All truth is absolute by its very nature or it would not be truth but error. The perfect conformity which is the criterion of truth obviously does not admit of degrees.
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    « Reply #2 on: January 31, 2014, 07:03:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Man of the West
    This is another one of Bergoglio's classic misstatements.

    The truth is not a "relationship." However, the concept of truth is predicated of a relation between the knower and the thing known, this relation being one of conformity or correspondence. Every existing thing is true because it has a definite existence in the mind of God, who not only sees it but creates it exactly how it is. Since God can neither deceive nor be deceived, the way He sees something is literally the truth. The objects created by God are the causes of knowledge in human minds. Human knowledge is true when it corresponds to the reality of the object (ontological truth) and human action is truthful when the outward expression a man gives to his knowledge corresponds to that knowledge (moral truth). All truth is absolute by its very nature or it would not be truth but error. The perfect conformity which is the criterion of truth obviously does not admit of degrees.


    Thank you. You knew it was Pope Francis's quote. Are you being kind by characterizing this a  misstatement?

    This to me is confusing...no? Is this not Relativism?

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    « Reply #3 on: January 31, 2014, 09:13:24 PM »
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  • Too many people go out of their way to nuance the issue but...yes, it's relativism. And yes, I was being kind.
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