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Abp. Lefebvre openly doubts Paul VI's claim to the papacy...
« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2007, 02:19:34 AM »
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Why would a Great Monarch candidate do something like that?



He would be driving around in a bumper car? As I said, I think one can't so easily dismiss this with just the wave of the hand, or by cracking wise, as it were. There's too many, and too many agree, who really shouldn't have known about the other, in one sense. The bits that do make sense about our time suggest that the other is true, as well, even if it doesn't yet make sense. The rest hasn't as yet occured.

To repeat myself, you don't have to believe the same. You could argue that even if you find it worth consideration, that your interpretation is different than mine. But again, to just dismiss it all out of hand - maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree, on this.


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In any case, Pope Leo XIII demanded that French Catholics accept the Republic and thereby come to peaceful terms with the Revolution.


No Catholic ever has been told to make his 'peace' with Revolution.


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If I were the prophesying type I would simply say that there will be no glorious Great Monarch, French or German


As I said in the original message, it certainly doesn't seem to make sense. As I said of a social stereotype, widely shared, the officer in a feature film is walking down the hall, mentions - the French Army - and the other officer says - what's that? I think a lot of us have that impression. The very idea that France would be in the forefront of some action that greatly cripples Islam, and then literally helps restore a true Pope to the Vatican, it just seems - ridiculous.

But . . stranger things.

I mean, think of the Apocalypse. Heck, when is the last time you saw The Creator in the Flesh, or a corpse in the grave three days brought to life? and so on.


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Meanwhile Catholic kids get taught in Catholic schools that gαy people are people of the same sex who love one another. Meanwhile complaining parents are told by the top dogs in Rome to be docile towards their Local Ordinaries


No - they don't. Roman Protestants do. Not Catholics.

When you say that there is an apostate church, a darkened church, a fallen church, you are saying it is NOT what was there before, and in many ways is the opposite - and enemy - of what went before. Roman Protestantism is not Roman Catholicism. It's a mistake to imagine that it is.

Abp. Lefebvre openly doubts Paul VI's claim to the papacy...
« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2007, 12:16:57 PM »
We shall see the Risen God Man in the Flesh. That is all the Great Monarch that we shall ever see on this earth. I believe that He and His prophesies should be enough for us.

The Incarnation and the Resurrection were not visible to the world and the eyes of nature the way the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope and the complete restoration of Christendom would be if the prophesies came true.

I consider those kids and their parents Catholics. I don't consider those top dogs in Rome Catholics.

I agree that we have to disagree on the prophesies. I think that the danger in thinking about those prophesies at all is that it takes precious time away from thinking harder about the plight of souls at the hands of Beastly Rome and the justice due them.


Abp. Lefebvre openly doubts Paul VI's claim to the papacy...
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2007, 12:48:24 AM »
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I consider those kids and their parents Catholics. I don't consider those top dogs in Rome Catholics.


If what they demand in terms of prayers, reflecting belief, in terms of curricula reflecting their own beliefs, if it's then taken to heart by parents who support Roman Catholicism, and children who innocently believe what the wolves teach, then it's Roman Protestantism, top to bottom - as it's been.

I've said that one must give due credit to the Peter Pence donors. If you ask them, they may surprise you by saying that they don't like 'the changes', and consider it literally to be Protestant. But they still support, as 'cultural' religionists. The supernatural departs, and it becomes a social organization, with certainly some people of natural goodwill.

That's not Catholicism. In fact, it opposes Catholicism. Some would trade the charity and kindness for dogma. Some would say, you can't have your Church because we, too, do good things. But then so do the shiners and masons. A lot of good works. A lot of 'good' people, who forget that none is good but God. A lot of people speaking in courteous phrases that Uncle Joe got to Heaven and is in a 'better place', even though half of them at the funeral knew that Uncle Joe didn't believe in Heaven, and had no patience with those who did.

And so on.