Author Topic: Abp. Lefebvre openly doubts Paul VI's claim to the papacy... (Read 8551 times)

Cletus · « **Reply #40 on:** July 21, 2007, 03:05:06 PM »

Then, of course, there is the possibility that there will never be another pope, and that the Catholic fat lady has sung. Or chanted.

We speak of the Church's being in the tomb. When you're dead you're dead. Except if you rise or get raised. But why should we think that the resurrection would be going back to a Pius XII? Or an Honorius?

We have to be coolly logical about these things, not starry-eyed and Romantic. I think we should get wiser to the Master and lay off the St Casper Buffalo or whoever. Who could ever really trust a Pius XIII? Then we could get a John XXIV. And then a Pius XIV. But then a John XXV. Though then a Pius XV. And so on and so on. That's not a Christian construct. It's pure paganism. Good pope, bad pope, good pope, bad pope. The ongoing cycle. Per omnia saecula saeculorum.

T'aint fittin'. Just as the account of the Passion in the Slavonic additions of Josephus' history is not fitting. Because it has Jesus getting arrested by Pilate and whipped, and then returning to His ministry for a time. It's not dogma that this could not have been the case. It may not even be Gospel Truth. But we know that it's the truth about Him before God and Man. One touch of the high priest's guard in Gethsemane and He had as good as bowed His head and given up the ghost.

If Vatican II equals the Passion and we are now in the Entombment, tit-for-tat parallelism would make only the all-glorious Apocalypse the required "resurrection." After His death, Jesus did not return to His normal human life on earth the way Lazarus did. Getting a Pope Pius XIII, so to speak, would only be like getting the nine lepers to express gratitude.

sedetrad · « **Reply #41 on:** July 21, 2007, 09:25:12 PM »

Do you believe that their will not be any more true popes, Cletus?

Andy

Cletus · « **Reply #42 on:** July 21, 2007, 11:22:23 PM »

I wouldn't want to say that I don't believe that there will be another pope.

I would say that I just don't think in terms of there ever being another one. Just as I don't think in terms of having to set places at our next Christmas dinner for all our dead relatives who MIGHT all be raised from the dead by the prophet Elijah. But still, I wouldn't want to say that I don't believe that they will be raised by Elijah, because that seems to imply disbelief in the possibility that they COULD be raised by that estimable prophet of old.

dust-7 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 22, 2007, 12:48:29 AM »

Quote from: Cletus

We have to be coolly logical about these things, not starry-eyed and Romantic.

I agree. The same prophecies from many visionaries, religious, etc, that spoke of the dark or apostate church, that spoke of the 'disorganized' remnant of Catholics who were mistrusting of each other, also spoke of a new Pope, and this idea of a great secular Monarch. The talk, at any rate, is of two Popes. So, perhaps, Catholics do get together and elect a legitimate Pope, but one who does not sit in the Vatican until the Roman Protestants are chased out by secular force. I don't know. It's such speculation what could have been meant by that. They couldn't imagine an apostate Pope, even if some could imagine the bishops and priests were all bad. We find it difficult to imagine a great Monarch coming out of France. Just think of what we now think of when the words - the French Army - are mentioned. It's all very strange. But it's very strange now, no doubt.

The problem, at present, is this getting together for a council. Catholic do mistrust each other. There are legitimate complaints against the Feenyites and those with one foot in the apostacy like the SSPX. But in these groups, surely, are many Catholics who could put away the serious doctrinal differences, and all confess the same, even officially changing the public stance and policy of those orders - or otherwise leaving them behind. So, it just seems as if time is required to get together a sufficient group that a council could be called. Prophecies also speak of a great restorative council. I find it difficult to imagine that comes out of the apostate church.

But, I agree. One ought to proceed carefully, but with some zeal and prayer. It's difficult to know what specifically to make of many of those prophecies with regard to - what comes next? I find it confusing, at any rate.

Cletus · « **Reply #44 on:** July 22, 2007, 01:59:41 AM »

I myself just have no use for those prophecies at all. I have yet to see a prophecy that even touched on the obscene reality of the Vatican II church. Maybe the third secret of Fatima, the one we'll probably never know about for sure, does. I don't see anyone foreseeing the real problem: I don't put any credence in these prophecies as indications of real solutions. Besides, they are just private revelations and every single one may be a lot of hot air, though it would be nice to put things more respectfully if it is a question of a canonized Saint in particular.

As for Holy Roman Emperors and the French Monarchs... Which inbred playboy would we mounting that snow white steed and charging at the children of the Revolution established in high places?

Author Topic: Abp. Lefebvre openly doubts Paul VI&#039;s claim to the papacy... (Read 8551 times)

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