Author Topic: Abp. Lefebvre openly doubts Paul VI's claim to the papacy... (Read 8552 times)

Trinity · « **Reply #35 on:** July 18, 2007, 06:25:24 PM »

I was thinking that before vatican II no one had an idea what this period was going to be like. And here is everyone trying to decide the right path according to writings of people who never even dreamed of this in their worst nightmares.

Cletus · « **Reply #36 on:** July 18, 2007, 06:54:10 PM »

Certain broad principles are there, of course: otherwise we wouldn't bother thinking in terms of being faithful Catholics at all. But I agree that there are aspects of the New Pentecost Horror which probably were inconceivable to most Catholics at most periods in Church history.

One thing I always harp on is the playing of JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR on Vatican Radio in the early 70s. Erotic blasphemy against Our Lord Jesus Christ to SOME degree blessed by the Roman Pontiff. I think that as late as 1965 even the liberal Protestant mayor of Podunk would have had the local DJ who played it arrested for disturbing the peace or outraging community standards or SOMETHING.

But the one thing for which no one ever accounts is the extent to which the Conciliar Church is an affront to God as known to unaided reason, and a corrupter even of such morals as most people respect on the level of the Natural Law alone. We should be so lucky that the Conciliar Church merely suppressed the much more nutritional Traditional Mass and taught a new religion. No small part of Conciliar Church reeducation is brainwashing in favor of certain ungodly lifestyles: most American pagans are still decent on at least that point, and therefore by far the moral superiors of the leaders of the church that blows hot air about their "evangelization."

The Modernists simply did not get anywhere near the moral depravity of the neo-Modernists. Neither did the Communists as late as 1959, when the Russian leader denounced the Can-Can in terms stronger than those that the Roman Pontiff would have used at that time.

Trinity · « **Reply #37 on:** July 19, 2007, 07:05:40 AM »

I didn't know vatican radio did that. Never listened to that blasphemous recording myself.

But what you said about them being corrupters really hit home with me. I've said that I don't know how corrupted I am, but from time to time I get a glimpse. I will go along with something or pass over it, and only later realize that isn't right, or that is offensive to God. I don't have the knee jerk. It's not offensive to me, so it takes time or thought or something else before I even realize it. I should be so trained that I have a knee jerk to these things, but quite the opposite is the case.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #38 on:** July 20, 2007, 03:22:14 PM »

As my friend Patto says...

'We are all damaged goods.'

Even the best of us, especially those who have lived their entire lives in the V2 and post-V2 era, do not see things as clearly as our fathers did.

dust-7 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 21, 2007, 02:47:18 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Even the best of us, especially those who have lived their entire lives in the V2 and post-V2 era, do not see things as clearly as our fathers did.

Or more clearly. We can look back on the string of private predictions and prophecies speaking of a darkened or apostate church and see what they meant. We can look back on same and see what was meant by a 'disorganized' remnant of Catholics somewhat mistrusting of each other.

What we don't know is where does the next Pope come from, this great holy Pope who is perhaps brought back to Rome by a secular ruler called the Great Monarch, out of France. Or does it even happen that way? Does this Pope arise from the apostate church? Is he elected by the cardinals? Or does he come from the disorganized and leaderless remnant, who decide to elect a Pope and who decides to go to Rome? The next council? Is this the remnant council, or one of bishops shaking themselves out of apostacy, or a combination - etc?

My suspicion is that much of this plays out when there are two men claiming the papacy, one legitimately, one falsely. I would certainly suspect that the fraud is the one in Vatican City, and least for a time. Perhaps, because of the armies of this Monarch, Catholics do again get back the Vatican, and Notre Dame, etc. Maybe the Roman Protestant doesn't give it back. Maybe they are shrinking, scared and physically removed to make way for those they had shunned and mocked.

Author Topic: Abp. Lefebvre openly doubts Paul VI&#039;s claim to the papacy... (Read 8552 times)

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