The Passion of the Bride is over, insofar as she is 'in the tomb' at present.  Yes, we are acting like the Apostles, if that well.  God help us, for we are helpless, sinful brats.

In the tomb, huh?  I think you are right about that.  No wonder we are all so gloomy.  Sinful brats, correct.  I was shocked at my own put outed-ness when our water was restricted.  Go figure.  We get a flood and lose our water supply.  I am far more spoiled than I ever thought.

I was thinking that before vatican II no one had an idea what this period was going to be like.  And here is everyone trying to decide the right path according to writings of people who never even dreamed of this in their worst nightmares.

I didn't know vatican radio did that.  Never listened to that blasphemous recording myself.

But what you said about them being corrupters really hit home with me.  I've said that I don't know how corrupted I am, but from time to time I get a glimpse.  I will go along with something or pass over it, and only later realize that isn't right, or that is offensive to God.  I don't have the knee jerk.  It's not offensive to me, so it takes time or thought or something else before I even realize it.  I should be so trained that I have a knee jerk to these things, but quite the opposite is the case.  

Even the best of us, especially those who have lived their entire lives in the V2 and post-V2 era, do not see things as clearly as our fathers did.

Or more clearly. We can look back on the string of private predictions and prophecies speaking of a darkened or apostate church and see what they meant. We can look back on same and see what was meant by a 'disorganized' remnant of Catholics somewhat mistrusting of each other.

What we don't know is where does the next Pope come from, this great holy Pope who is perhaps brought back to Rome by a secular ruler called the Great Monarch, out of France. Or does it even happen that way? Does this Pope arise from the apostate church? Is he elected by the cardinals? Or does he come from the disorganized and leaderless remnant, who decide to elect a Pope and who decides to go to Rome? The next council? Is this the remnant council, or one of bishops shaking themselves out of apostacy, or a combination - etc?

My suspicion is that much of this plays out when there are two men claiming the papacy, one legitimately, one falsely. I would certainly suspect that the fraud is the one in Vatican City, and least for a time. Perhaps, because of the armies of this Monarch, Catholics do again get back the Vatican, and Notre Dame, etc. Maybe the Roman Protestant doesn't give it back. Maybe they are shrinking, scared and physically removed to make way for those they had shunned and mocked.

Do you believe that their will not be any more true popes, Cletus?


Andy

We have to be coolly logical about these things, not starry-eyed and Romantic.

I agree. The same prophecies from many visionaries, religious, etc, that spoke of the dark or apostate church, that spoke of the 'disorganized' remnant of Catholics who were mistrusting of each other, also spoke of a new Pope, and this idea of a great secular Monarch. The talk, at any rate, is of two Popes. So, perhaps, Catholics do get together and elect a legitimate Pope, but one who does not sit in the Vatican until the Roman Protestants are chased out by secular force. I don't know. It's such speculation what could have been meant by that. They couldn't imagine an apostate Pope, even if some could imagine the bishops and priests were all bad. We find it difficult to imagine a great Monarch coming out of France. Just think of what we now think of when the words - the French Army - are mentioned. It's all very strange. But it's very strange now, no doubt.

The problem, at present, is this getting together for a council. Catholic do mistrust each other. There are legitimate complaints against the Feenyites and those with one foot in the apostacy like the SSPX. But in these groups, surely, are many Catholics who could put away the serious doctrinal differences, and all confess the same, even officially changing the public stance and policy of those orders - or otherwise leaving them behind. So, it just seems as if time is required to get together a sufficient group that a council could be called. Prophecies also speak of a great restorative council. I find it difficult to imagine that comes out of the apostate church.

But, I agree. One ought to proceed carefully, but with some zeal and prayer. It's difficult to know what specifically to make of many of those prophecies with regard to - what comes next? I find it confusing, at any rate.