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Above all Things, Charity (On the Potion)
« on: October 11, 2021, 11:10:17 AM »
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  • Above All Things, Charity

    KENNEDY HALL

    Recently, an online firestorm erupted among Catholics surrounding a recent letter from the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X arguing for the moral permissibility of taking an available COVID-19 vaccine if the situation were grave enough to warrant the act.

    My intent here is not to evaluate all the details of the letter, or to offer a comprehensive explanation or apologetic as to why this particular letter was written. The crux of the argument put forth in the letter, as far as I can tell, is that there are situations wherein it is grave enough to cooperate with an evil—that you did not commit—without sinning. In addition, there may be situations where it is “charitable” to acquiesce to certain government coercion if the situation warrants it.

    As you can imagine, the use of the term “charity” by the priest who wrote it encouraged furious journalists and internet commenters to cry that the proverbial sky has fallen. Granted, like the word “mercy,” there are few words that have been as misused as the word “charity” in today’s Church parlance. In the mind of the liberal Catholic, everything that is “nice” is charity. lҽϝƚιsƚ prelates the world over are calling on the faithful to take the jab as an act of charity for their neighbor; because, of course, the coronavirus pandemic is the single most important illness on earth, in their minds.

    But, it must be said, that in the letter released by Fr. Sélégny, at the heart of the reference to charity was the sad reality that some Catholics are facing, especially those living outside of the United States. In many places, people are barred from caring for dying parents in nursing homes, they are forbidden from riding trains and planes, priests are disallowed from entering hospitals to save dying souls, and many are, of course, losing their jobs en masse if they do not embrace the jab. This is all evil, and it is a diabolical plot against the human race; this cannot be understated.


    However, there are still instances where a priest or a layperson could reluctantly participate in any coerced medical procedure for reasons of true charity. For example, if you are a Catholic living in China, and the government says they will take your children unless you take the shot, should you stand on principle and allow your kids to be raised by the state? If you are a priest who must serve in missionary areas and cannot access the thousands of souls who are without sacraments, should you never visit them again in order to stand on principle?


    However, there are still instances where a priest or a layperson could reluctantly participate in any coerced medical procedure for reasons of true charity. For example, if you are a Catholic living in China, and the government says they will take your children unless you take the shot, should you stand on principle and allow your kids to be raised by the state? If you are a priest who must serve in missionary areas and cannot access the thousands of souls who are without sacraments, should you never visit them again in order to stand on principle?

    Charity ultimately is the highest of the theological virtues and entails a great love of God and love of neighbor. In our fallen world, overridden with Communism, we are often “damned if we do, damned if we don’t” when it comes to prudential moral decisions. It could very well be that a father of a family must sacrifice his own health, and remotely cooperate with a given evil that has been thrust upon him by a metaphorical gun to the head, in order to care for his children.

    None of this excuses the evils of the jab, the potential risks to one’s health, the Communism at play, or the medical coercion we have witnessed. If anything, it highlights the evil. It is possible to recognize the demonic scheme, while at the same time operating as best as one can given the impossible scenario we now face.

    We know from Church history that we may never apostatize or pinch incense to Caesar, but we do not sin if we suffer as victims of Communism and are required to play a certain game in order to get our family and ourselves to Heaven.


    Now, the reason I am asking that we all relax a bit is because I believe that many of us are getting so worked up about the current evils and the jab that we are losing our heads. I think we have spent so much time reading about all manner of potential end-times scenarios that we have forgotten to keep our cool and be patient.

    Recently, one of my priests mentioned the murmuring among many Catholics about wanting to “escape to the bush” and “get off the grid.” I am not against being off the grid, but it is a fool’s errand for most of us if we think we will live like a bushcraft master from YouTube. The same priest made it clear that the most important thing we can do is stay close to the sacraments, as ultimately our souls are what are most important.

    If it gets to the point that the COVID Regime accelerates to the point of Gulags and cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, then there is no amount of “off the grid” that will save us. In addition, we are facing some of the greatest spiritual trials that Catholics have faced in centuries, and God has permitted it to happen. How foolish it would be to intentionally be too far from Mass or Confession. If you happen to live in a rural area surrounded by forest and far away from government while also having a priest close by, then I congratulate you on winning a lottery.



    The pressure of the present moment is severe, but it too shall pass, either by going away or by making us into martyrs. Resistance to the regime is necessary and encouraged, but we must keep our heads and see things through the timeless moral truths of the Faith. Priests and lay people around the world are facing impossible scenarios, and some may have to make choices that others won’t have to make. Be thankful if you have the luxury of raging in comment sections about “freedoms” and “rights,” but remember that for many these are pipe dreams, and refusing the jab or not sending your kids to state schools are illegal actions that would send you to jail.

    If you believe that it would be preferable for a matter of principle to refuse the jab, or any coercive measure on principle, at the risk of losing your children—for example—then I think you might need to take a step back and relax.

    As a Canadian, I cannot pay my taxes without at least remotely cooperating in abortion, as the tax-funded system pays for each termination of innocent life. If I were to follow the logic of never giving in! to any government coercion, then I would be in jail for tax evasion and my children would be raised without a father. How daft I would have to be to make such a decision.

    Catholics all over the world are staring down the barrel of a gun regarding the vaccine and what to do about living under lockdown tyranny, and many souls are at stake as a result. If we find ourselves beating our chests and declaring from the top of Mount Twitter that we will “die before we bend a knee” to the regime, or that an order of priests has “gone soft” because they have tried to offer guidance to a church of terrified and isolated faithful, then I think we need to take a step back and relax.

    Resist the tyranny with every tool you have in your arsenal; but do not judge those who are being crushed in the crucible of prudential decision making as a result of the Communism that has victimized them.




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    Original article:
    https://www.crisismagazine.com/2021/above-all-things-charity

    What do you all think of this article? As for myself, I am unsure. No matter what, taking the jab is still an act of Russian roulette and one that will continue as more “booster shots” are rolled out to combat new scariants. What’s the point of taking the jab to save your children from getting taking away by the government if you end up dying from the jab in 2 weeks? But, it seems that in some parts of the world, this logic may very well apply.

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    Re: Above all Things, Charity (On the Potion)
    « Reply #1 on: October 11, 2021, 12:00:33 PM »
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  • Above All Things, Charity

    KENNEDY HALL



    Resist the tyranny with every tool you have in your arsenal; but do not judge those who are being crushed in the crucible of prudential decision making as a result of the Communism that has victimized them.



    I didn't thumb you down personally, but I'm slapping down the trad kanuk, Kennedy Hall.

    I think the trad media is peppered with marranos.   They are there to win our confidence and mislead us.

    Of all the points to make, "do not judge the vaxed" is way down on our list of concerns.  We all have family and friends who took the poison.

    The world is being subjugated to a Jєωιѕн-masonic genocide, and Hall's worried about us being judgemental.  

    The government is going to murder you with an injection or financially destroy you and then put you into a FEMA camp.... but have charity you dumb goy.  Go along quietly.  

    You pantywaist kanuks can line-up for the slaughter, managed by Castro's Jєω-bastard son, Justin Trudeau.





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    Re: Above all Things, Charity (On the Potion)
    « Reply #2 on: October 11, 2021, 01:29:22 PM »
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  • Kennedy Hall says
    "refusing the jab or not sending your kids to state schools are illegal actions that would send you to jail.If you believe that it would be preferable for a matter of principle to refuse the jab, or any coercive measure on principle, at the risk of losing your children—for example—then I think you might need to take a step back and relax."

    He sounds like a shill for the satanic NWO commie great reset.

    His push for the vaxx is like a shrill emotional woman at that time of month. Where does he get the notion that it is illegal to homeschool?
    No way is it "illegal" to not send your children to state propaganda centers.

    He says "losing your children" -- is he part of a plan to make this unfounded threat a reality?

    If anyone needs to "take a step back and relax" it's himself.

    And by the way, Charity is significant. So where is the Charity for those who oppose the butchering of live babies to obtain their body parts to create the cell-lines for the genetic experimental injection? Where is the Charity for those who have had the disease and have immunity 7 to 26 times greater than the jab? Where is the Charity for those for whom the genetic experiment is contraindicated due to medical conditions?

    What a b.s. artist.
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    Re: Above all Things, Charity (On the Potion)
    « Reply #3 on: October 11, 2021, 01:37:37 PM »
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  • Kennedy Hall says
    "refusing the jab or not sending your kids to state schools are illegal actions that would send you to jail.If you believe that it would be preferable for a matter of principle to refuse the jab, or any coercive measure on principle, at the risk of losing your children—for example—then I think you might need to take a step back and relax."

    He sounds like a shill for the satanic NWO commie great reset.

    To be fair, here he is discussing situations in countries like China where homeschooling is outlawed, not the U.S. 

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    Re: Above all Things, Charity (On the Potion)
    « Reply #4 on: October 11, 2021, 01:42:44 PM »
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  • What a b.s. artist.

    Me likes this :popcorn:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Above all Things, Charity (On the Potion)
    « Reply #5 on: October 11, 2021, 02:10:25 PM »
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  • I didn't thumb you down personally, but I'm slapping down the trad kanuk, Kennedy Hall.

    I think the trad media is peppered with marranos.  They are there to win our confidence and mislead us.

    Of all the points to make, "do not judge the vaxed" is way down on our list of concerns.  We all have family and friends who took the poison.

    The world is being subjugated to a Jєωιѕн-masonic genocide, and Hall's worried about us being judgemental. 

    The government is going to murder you with an injection or financially destroy you and then put you into a FEMA camp.... but have charity you dumb goy.  Go along quietly. 

    You pantywaist kanuks can line-up for the slaughter, managed by Castro's Jєω-bastard son, Justin Trudeau.


    It’s nothing personal. Perhaps trad media being “peppered with marranos” is not necessarily a conscious thing in most cases, in my opinion it’s more about media figures choosing to not to take a stance that would make them appear too “Radtrad” to the point where they lose their following.

    I agree that the focus on charity in the context he puts it is losing sight of the greater agenda at hand. Moreover, it’s not like trads are saying that taking the vax is the Unforgivable Sin (unlike a certain Duginist shill by the name of Andrew Anglin), it’s rather that we are drawing a firm line in the sand and recognizing this evil for what it is. 


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    In many places, people are barred from caring for dying parents in nursing homes, they are forbidden from riding trains and planes, priests are disallowed from entering hospitals to save dying souls, and many are, of course, losing their jobs en masse if they do not embrace the jab. This is all evil, and it is a diabolical plot against the human race; this cannot be understated.

    The best way to fight insane government policies surrounding hospitals and nursing homes is to refuse to send anyone to them in our families or go there ourselves unless it were ABSOLUTELY necessary. Of course, that doesn’t help the people currently stuck in those situations right now, but such a firm principle will help people to work around the godless dictates of the “New Normal” going forward so that they don’t end up cooperating with those institutions. 

    As for these other things, perhaps this is where tactics similar to those used by priests that went into England during the Penal Times should be employed.

    Something that is not addressed in this article is the worrying prospect that about how trad families will continue to “be fruitful and multiply” if both husband and wife (but especially the wife) take it, as the sterility concerns are more than warranted. I have faith in God’s Providence, no doubt, but I would hate to see so many of the next generation of cradle trads be prevented from coming into existence because their mother was told it was ok to take the potion. 



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    Re: Above all Things, Charity (On the Potion)
    « Reply #6 on: October 11, 2021, 02:30:38 PM »
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  • Supposing, just for the sake of argument, that there could in fact be circuмstances which justify/tolerate the reception of the abortion death jab, what would those circuмstances be?

    Unfortunately for the SSPX and Fr. Selegny, those circuмstances were articulated and promulgated in the 2008 CDF docuмent Dignatitis Personae, AND THEY ARE NOT MET ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

    They are:

      -There is no available morally untainted therapeutic intervention that neutralizes the proposed health threat. (Fail)
      -There must exist a proportionate cause for using an abortion tainted therapeutic intervention based on the risks involved. (Fail)
      -There must exist an actual grave threat to your health or that of others if you were to refrain from taking the proposed abortion tainted therapeutic intervention. (Fail)
      -One must oppose the abortion taintedness of the therapeutic intervention.

    For an application of these criteria by an anonymous priest see this article: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/dominican-destroys-'remote-material-cooperation'-justification-for-abortoin-jab/

    Consequently, this appeal to charity is completely misguided:

    "Where there is not truth, there is not charity." (St. Augustine).

    The SSPX has not satisfied the criteria according to the Vatican docuмents to which they appeal, and that is indisputable to any dispasssionate reader.

    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Above all Things, Charity (On the Potion)
    « Reply #7 on: October 11, 2021, 06:00:21 PM »
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  • St. John said don't take that thing ("the mark") that will be required for people to buy and sell. He did not say take that thing ("the mark") if x, y, or z happens but not if a, b, or c happens. It is a binary situation. On/off. Up/down. 0/1.

    End times. Remove head from sand, SSPX and Mr. Hall. 


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    Re: Above all Things, Charity (On the Potion)
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  • If people understood the kind of internal robotic slavery they are introducing they wouldn't worry so much about remote participation in evil, or even abortion or their own death.

    Those things should be reason enough, but if they knew what will become of them...

    Truly, the living will seek death and not find it!


     

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