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AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
« on: May 16, 2021, 06:57:03 AM »
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    • Immediately preceding the formula of canonization, Pope Pius XI proclaims that it is an “infallible” judgment (see Acta Apostolicae Sedis 26 [1934], p. 540). The same formula was used by Francis on Paul VI, John Paul II, John XXIII.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/docuмents/AAS-26-1934-ocr.pdf

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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #1 on: May 16, 2021, 07:18:30 AM »
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    • Do tell...

    Thank you for sharing what is certainly an interesting nugget on an important topic.
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #2 on: May 16, 2021, 08:03:05 AM »
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    • Canonizations are most certainly covered by the secondary powers of papal infallibility, as they pertain to the matter of Faith. Especially given that these individuals are being raised up as worthy to be offered at the altars of the Universal Church, having a heresiarch or apostate canonized would be a great danger and scandal to the Faith.

    Which is the issue surrounding the canonizations of Bergoglio and the Vatican II "popes", as he uses very direct, declaratory language in their canonization pronouncements. Therefore, the rejection of these individuals, such as JPII, John XXIII, Paul VI, et al, would actually constitute grave disobedience to the Pope. Meaning, those R&R outlets, such as the SSPX/SSPX-R, Indult groups, etc., that implicitly or explicitly reject these canonizations while professing these men as true popes are in a bit of a rock and a hard place canonically-speaking.
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #3 on: May 16, 2021, 09:45:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on May 16, 2021, 07:18:30 AM
    Do tell...

    Thank you for sharing what is certainly an interesting nugget on an important topic.
    Yes.  Unless I am not remembering correctly/I missed it, I don't recall this posted in the various threads we've had about the infallibility of canonizations.  
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #4 on: May 16, 2021, 10:54:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on May 16, 2021, 06:57:03 AM
    Immediately preceding the formula of canonization, Pope Pius XI proclaims that it is an “infallible” judgment (see Acta Apostolicae Sedis 26 [1934], p. 540). The same formula was used by Francis on Paul VI, John Paul II, John XXIII.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/docuмents/AAS-26-1934-ocr.pdf

    Thank you, 2Vermont. Additionally he is speaking "ex cathedra Divi Petri uti supremus universalis Christi Ecclesiae Magister, ...  sollemniter ..."
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #5 on: May 16, 2021, 10:57:28 AM »
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    • Here we go again :facepalm:
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #6 on: May 16, 2021, 12:04:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on May 16, 2021, 10:54:13 AM
    Thank you, 2Vermont. Additionally he is speaking "ex cathedra Divi Petri uti supremus universalis Christi Ecclesiae Magister, ...  sollemniter ..."
    You're welcome.  Just did a search for a reference to this AAS here at CI and I did not find any.  It seems this is new territory.  Unless someone can show me otherwise.
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #7 on: May 16, 2021, 12:06:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 16, 2021, 10:57:28 AM
    Here we go again :facepalm:
    How's your novena to St. John Paul II going?
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #8 on: May 16, 2021, 12:07:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on May 16, 2021, 12:06:51 PM
    How's your novena to St. John Paul II going?
    Who?
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #9 on: May 16, 2021, 12:34:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on May 16, 2021, 06:57:03 AM
    Immediately preceding the formula of canonization, Pope Pius XI proclaims that it is an “infallible” judgment (see Acta Apostolicae Sedis 26 [1934], p. 540). The same formula was used by Francis on Paul VI, John Paul II, John XXIII.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/docuмents/AAS-26-1934-ocr.pdf
    Great find.....Thank you!
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #10 on: May 16, 2021, 12:39:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on May 16, 2021, 08:03:05 AM
    Canonizations are most certainly covered by the secondary powers of papal infallibility, as they pertain to the matter of Faith. Especially given that these individuals are being raised up as worthy to be offered at the altars of the Universal Church, having a heresiarch or apostate canonized would be a great danger and scandal to the Faith.

    Which is the issue surrounding the canonizations of Bergoglio and the Vatican II "popes", as he uses very direct, declaratory language in their canonization pronouncements. Therefore, the rejection of these individuals, such as JPII, John XXIII, Paul VI, et al, would actually constitute grave disobedience to the Pope. Meaning, those R&R outlets, such as the SSPX/SSPX-R, Indult groups, etc., that implicitly or explicitly reject these canonizations while professing these men as true popes are in a bit of a rock and a hard place canonically-speaking.
    To me that sounds more like a matter of morals since the sanctity of a person is not a matter of divine revelation and the Church commemorating an apostate on Her altars might offend God. I am not R&R nor sedevacantist nor indult however. I am just very confused on the situation in the Church and don't know what to do. 
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #11 on: May 16, 2021, 12:45:24 PM »
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    • The Church should start canonizing people before they die. The pope is infallible in such matters, so the Holy Ghost would not allow him to err in this matter, even if the canonization happens before death. Remember God is outside of time and knows all things.
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #12 on: May 16, 2021, 12:45:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on May 16, 2021, 06:57:03 AM
    Immediately preceding the formula of canonization, Pope Pius XI proclaims that it is an “infallible” judgment (see Acta Apostolicae Sedis 26 [1934], p. 540). The same formula was used by Francis on Paul VI, John Paul II, John XXIII.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/aas/docuмents/AAS-26-1934-ocr.pdf
    Do you have a link to all of the volumes of the Acta?
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #13 on: May 16, 2021, 12:51:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 16, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
    Do you have a link to all of the volumes of the Acta?
    No, I don't.  It seems like they might be on the Vatican website though?
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    Re: AAS 26: Infallible Canonizations
    « Reply #14 on: May 16, 2021, 12:55:46 PM »
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