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A telling omission
« on: May 18, 2026, 07:29:51 PM »
In the Catholic Mass, the priest pronounces the words of Consecration, he genuflects, elevates the Host, and genuflects again.

In the Novus Ordo, the priest pronounces the words, elevates the Host, and genuflects.

Why is the first genuflection omitted?  Because in the new religion, before the elevation the Real Presence is not yet there.  When the bread is held up, the people muster up their sweetest, gooey-est feelings, and together they vomit their good vibes invisibly on the bread.  Only now has the congregation "consecrated" the bread.  Plastered with the nicest feelings vomited from the insides of the people, the bread has become "Jesus".  Only now the priest genuflects, in adoration of what the people have created by the power of their collective will.  This is the "priesthood of the laity".  This is man creating reality.  Man creating God!  The worship of Man's will.  MY will be done!

Whereas in the Catholic Church, the priest adores Jesus Christ truly Present before the people even glimpse the Host.  Moreover, the young mother whose back is turned because her son is pulling his sister's hair for the third time; she who has not a single sweet feeling at the moment, nevertheless believes that Our Lord has replaced the bread with His Substance, and is offering Himself to His Father through the person of the priest at the altar for the expiation of our sins.  Member of His Body by the state of grace, she unites herself in intention with Our Lord on the altar, offering her whole self, her life, works, prayers, sufferings, joys, in union with His infinite Sacrifice for the salvation of souls.  THIS is the priesthood of the laity in the Catholic Church.

The people unite themselves with the Sacrifice that can only be accomplished by Our Lord through the priesthood that He shares with those who have received the sacrament of Holy Orders.  At ordination, God imprints an indelible mark on the man's soul, making him a partaker in Our Lord's priesthood.

Archbishop Lefebvre called to attention that bishops could flatly deny the indelible mark without being corrected.  Requests were being made for a different member of the community to serve as the priest each week, or for priests to serve for five years before going back with the others in the pews.  What do these bishops have as intention when they impose hands on young men?

They intend to appoint a layman to the position of Bread-holder, Picnic Leader, etc.  NO indelible mark on their soul.  The congregation "consecrates" the bread while he holds it.  When these bishops lift their hands from the heads of these young men, before them kneels a layman.  Not a priest.  How many bishops have this intention?  One must examine what each one teaches about the priesthood.  The fact that they work peacefully within a sect that allows these ideas to run free is a bad sign already.  Are they at peace because they share this new notion of the priesthood?

What if we find a bishop who affirms clearly his disagreement with the new concept of the priesthood?  Fantastic.  But what was the intention of all the bishops in his lineage during the past 50+ years?  How do we ask them?  This is why the case-by-case entry of Novus Ordo priests into the SSPX without conditional ordination dwindled as time progressed.  Until the silent condemnation of +Lefebvre's policy by the Neo-SSPX.

If the Neo-SSPX sends a probable priest to your chapel, stay home, read your missal, pray 15 decades and make a fervent spiritual Communion.  Assisting at a probable Mass is prohibited by the Catholic Church.

Re: A telling omission
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2026, 09:21:13 PM »
I agree that people should stay away from Novus Ordo priests, but the problem is in the rite, not in the intention.


Re: A telling omission
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2026, 10:57:17 PM »
There is no way to know the thoughts and feelings of those at the novus ordo. The idea that they are all there engaging in a sweet, gooey emotional experience, as if deliberately mocking Our Lord, that’s just wrong. While it is very likely NOT Christ, it’s wrong to attribute to them evil intent.  You do realize traditional Catholics are a very small minority and traditional Mass is unavailable to most of those calling themselves Catholic. Even where Latin Mass IS available, many are so poorly catechized they don’t consider attending because they believe what they’ve been told that it is schismatic or a cult. 
Until they’ve educated and had enough encounters with real Catholicism and traditional Catholics practicing the real Faith, it’s unlikely, (not impossible) they will change. 

Offline Stubborn

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Re: A telling omission
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2026, 05:13:33 AM »
Most NOers do not even believe in the Real Presence - I've read that up to 80%, NO priests and bishops included, do not believe in the Real Presence at all. Who knows, it could be that by now, it's over 95% who don't believe it.  

When the NO priest raises the host and wine, he is showing the people the meal that they are about to eat in memory of the Last Supper.  

That's the way it's been in the NO for the last 40 years, at least. 

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Re: A telling omission
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2026, 05:50:41 AM »
Most NOers do not even believe in the Real Presence - I've read that up to 80%, NO priests and bishops included, do not believe in the Real Presence at all. Who knows, it could be that by now, it's over 95% who don't believe it. 

When the NO priest raises the host and wine, he is showing the people the meal that they are about to eat in memory of the Last Supper. 

That's the way it's been in the NO for the last 40 years, at least.
only 28% of surveyed NOs believed in Transubstantiation in 2019, so 72% do not believe (do not know, know and deny etc). You'd probably be pretty close with the 80% seven years after this survey.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/08/05/transubstantiation-eucharist-u-s-catholics/